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I actually like the huge camera modules. I was hoping the galaxy fold 3 would have one similar to the S21 Ultra or even the Note 20 Ultra but looks like it's going to have a lame extended oval layout.
 
If the rumored thickness transitions to a thicker battery, which obviously would be longer battery life, then I’m all for it. I doubt anybody would really notice a few fractions of a millimeter, especially when you add a case, the thickness is negated as it is.
 
I'm thinking along the same lines. And if the thickness is needed to bump up the camera specs, well and good.

But my iPhone XS is already on the heavy side for me. It's a lot more noticeable when holding the phone for extended periods of time. If the iPhone 12 Mini had a telephoto lens, I'd have been really compelled to get that model.

I'm hoping the iPhone 13 Pro doesn't weigh more than the iPhone 12 Pro, which is already pretty hefty.
I respectfully take issue with you. The iPhone XS, I believe, is an ideal weight to feel solid in the hand. Its ideal dimensions and beautiful styling also make it a great phone. True the screen could be brighter and the battery bigger, but perfection is something we must wait for.
 
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Thickness would lead to more material. They could probably fit a larger battery in it too. Or, they could put a helium pack inside the phone to make it feel like Air.
They could also use lighter weight materials.
 
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The camera bump isn’t really an issue because most people use a case of some sort.

Ive read quite a few opinion pieces stating the days of the notch are numbered but I’m not so sure. Look at the front of fifty different Android phones and you’d struggle to tell which was from which manufacturer yet the silhouette of the notch immediately tells you it’s an iPhone in much the same way as the old home button did.

Apple more than any company will be aware of how important brand recognition is.
 
I cant say anything about camera bumps depth but I’ve modified cameras of iPhone 8 and lenses are quite small in wide, dont get why iphone need that huge front glass when a tiny hole does the trick
 
Well a whole screen smathphone with a line in the under edge (as the iphone does) will do the trick, i cant believe they are just holding the most annoying sacrifice in design in modern days just to be recognized on some pdfs or icons when they are removing it already in ALL the marketing stuff for the Pro since the iPhone 11 Pro and are trying to reduce it as it seems in iPhone 13.

is a brand Indicator is just a nice collateral eefect but people hates it and nobody is going to miss it in 3-5 years
The camera bump isn’t really an issue because most people use a case of some sort.

Ive read quite a few opinion pieces stating the days of the notch are numbered but I’m not so sure. Look at the front of fifty different Android phones and you’d struggle to tell which was from which manufacturer yet the silhouette of the notch immediately tells you it’s an iPhone in much the same way as the old home button did.

Apple more than any company will be aware of how important brand recognition is
 
Ive read quite a few opinion pieces stating the days of the notch are numbered but I’m not so sure. Look at the front of fifty different Android phones and you’d struggle to tell which was from which manufacturer yet the silhouette of the notch immediately tells you it’s an iPhone in much the same way as the old home button did.
That's definitely the case for the front of the phone. The camera bump does the same thing from the back - since most cases (and hands) cover up the logo. I know for me the bigger indicator is the camera bump since I rarely see someone else's phone from the front. So I could see Apple ditching the notch at some point but only once they can hide everything behind the screen.
 
I'm surprised they're even calling it 13? Isn't there a big enough Superstitious demographic that would avoid buying them because it's number13?
 
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Physics. There’s a reason that DSLR Cameras are so deep. Stacking sensors and lenses takes a lot of space. Additionally, if Apple could achieve the same quality with no camera bump for a solid slate, they would have.
The thickness of the lens stack/sensor doesn't mean they have to have a bump. They can just make the entire phone thicker. Your comment literally attrubuted the picture quality to there being a bump, not the components of the camera system.
 
If it means better cameras, and those increases are accurate, I can live with that. The rocking is a little annoying, but I feel like most people throw a case on it anyways so it won’t matter much. Fingers crossed for night mode on videos!
 
Can we please just start calling them 'iPhone' and 'iPhone Pro' and ditch the silly numbering system?

People suggest this every year, but it never makes sense.

How does Apple continue selling last year's model without using numbers?

It works for iMac and iPad because Apple doesn't sell old versions concurrently with the new ones.
 
Prediction: after these phones come out, and despite the phone getting thicker every year now for a long time, most macrumors forum posters will continue to complain about apple's "obsession with thinness" and complain about the effect on battery life.
Macrumors posters complain about literally everything so this is assured.
 
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Meanwhile, I keep using my iPhone SE 2016 or iPhone 4S — and contemplate eventually “upgrading” to an iPod Touch — to have something that I can fully and comfortably use with one hand and that fits neatly in my pocket. My iPhone X sits in the closet, only taken out when I want to take a special photo, and will be replaced once I buy a proper digital camera.
 
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