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iPhone 13 Pro iPhone 13 Pro: Screen PWM flicker at ALL brightness

Hello,

with the iPhone X,XS,11Pro,12 Pro i have a lot of problems with my eyes.
With the iPhone 13 Pro is after one week all perfekt. No problems with my eyes.

For me is the iPhone 13 Pro a perfekt iPhone, and i am so happy to can use an OLED Screen.😎

Sorry for my english, my english is not so good.
 
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PwmMen said:
Hello,

with the iPhone X,XS,11Pro,12 Pro i have a lot of problems with my eyes.
With the iPhone 13 Pro is after one week all perfekt. No problems with my eyes.

For me is the iPhone 13 Pro a perfekt iPhone, and i am so happy to can use an OLED Screen.😎

Sorry for my english, my english is not so good.
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Your English is good enough for all of us to understand and be happy for you. :)

I, too, am having a better experience with the 13PM than I did with any of the previous OLEDS, which makes me happy but still suspicious: can this actually be better? Enough better?

Hope it continues to go well.
 
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happy orchard said:
Your English is good enough for all of us to understand and be happy for you. :)

I, too, am having a better experience with the 13PM than I did with any of the previous OLEDS, which makes me happy but still suspicious: can this actually be better? Enough better?

Hope it continues to go well.
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I think the higher Hz can be enough.
I have one week no problems.
I think it will stay that way. Why not?
 
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Today i read at notebookcheck, that the PWM Frequenz is 510.2Hz.
I think, that must be high enough for a lot of people. For me it is high enough.
After 1-2 Ours of reading, my eyes a little bit tired, but i think, that is normal.
With the iPhone 12, i feel much more uncomfortable. Headache and nausea describe it correctly.
It's a big different with the iPhone 13 Pro. With my usage, i can live with it.
 
PwmMen said:
Today i read at notebookcheck, that the PWM Frequenz is 510.2Hz.
I think, that must be high enough for a lot of people. For me it is high enough.
After 1-2 Ours of reading, my eyes a little bit tired, but i think, that is normal.
With the iPhone 12, i feel much more uncomfortable. Headache and nausea describe it correctly.
It's a big different with the iPhone 13 Pro. With my usage, i can live with it.
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Link? Their review still shows 'upcoming'.
 
MICHAELSD said:
Hmm, iPhone 13 is 60Hz and iPhone 13 Mini is also 510Hz like the Pro model surprisingly. I still get headaches/migraines from iPhone 13 Pro but I am curious to read their review.
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Awesome results for the iPhone 13 normal model.
 
I think the normal 13 is working with DC-Dimming.
Unless it is really wired, and i don't understand Apple.
The iPhone 13 Pro ist perfekt for me.

@MICHAELSD

Maybe you have problems with the 120Hz Motion Display. You can deactivate it and test it with 60Hz.
 
Got my iPhone 13 Pro yesterday, had a very strong reaction - blurry vision, tiredness, headaches. Then read up about all this as I'd never heard of it (upgrading from old Android phone).

Tried 100% brightness, low white point, tried turning off motion effects, fixed 60Hz, turned off 5G, everything basically. Nothing worked. Sadly I will have to return it.

Whatever the theories, just seeing how you personally react to a phone is the only real way to know if you can use it.
 
Apparently everyone reacts differently.
I doubt if it's always up to pwm. The Frequenz from 510,2Hz is very high.
I would try it for a couple of days. At the beginning it is always a change for the eyes.
Give them a few days. I know users who stopped having problems after a few days.
In my circle of acquaintances, I get a lot of positive reports about the iPhone 13 Pro.
 
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jamesrick80 said:
Awesome results for the iPhone 13 normal model.
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A single number doesn't speak to anything. I am curious to learn what that 60Hz stands for. Does it mean 60Hz with low Mod% at brightness higher than a threshold X% (like iPhone 12 Pro so DC-like dimming) and 510Hz PWM at brightness below X%?

Or maybe it's just an placeholder before the full review is released, simply because it's likely iPhone 13 and 13 Mini shares very similar display panel.
 
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This is like waiting for a scientific review and testing of a new candy bar.
Just buy one and try it for yourself. If it bothers you, return it.
 
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travis64 said:
Last oled iphone i had was a x with horrible pwm headaches.
Just got the 13 max yesterday keep it at full brightness and 25% white point and no headache yet!
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That’s awesome!

I’ve read through some of the pwm threads here- is the consensus mostly that those with mild pwm sensitivity are good with the 13 pro, with only the most sensitive still having issues?

I couldn’t use the xs due to what I discovered to be some pwm sensitivity. I have had a 12 mini for the last year and I adjusted brightness to 90% with 95% reduce white point and it has been fine for me, very comfortable.
I tried a 13 mini and it was just a bit uncomfortable no matter what I did with brightness, so I’m wondering if the 13 pro with its higher flicker frequency will indeed be comfortable. Tempted to give it a try!
 
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MICHAELSD said:
Hmm, iPhone 13 is 60Hz and iPhone 13 Mini is also 510Hz like the Pro model surprisingly. I still get headaches/migraines from iPhone 13 Pro but I am curious to read their review.
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I had 13 mini for a week- it flickers like crazy, slow mo video of the display looked like a strobe light just like my 12 mini- not sure how it could really be 510?
 
I wonder what percentage of users who having issues with PWM wear glasses? I ask because the 13 pro was bothering me quite a bit- but I just happened to get a prescription adjustment and my experience is much better.
 
ducaltoid said:
I wonder what percentage of users who having issues with PWM wear glasses? I ask because the 13 pro was bothering me quite a bit- but I just happened to get a prescription adjustment and my experience is much better.
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So you changed glasses and it got better?
 
PwmMen said:
Apparently everyone reacts differently.
I doubt if it's always up to pwm. The Frequenz from 510,2Hz is very high.
I would try it for a couple of days. At the beginning it is always a change for the eyes.
Give them a few days. I know users who stopped having problems after a few days.
In my circle of acquaintances, I get a lot of positive reports about the iPhone 13 Pro.
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500 is not high... see my post in #51 I tried a 13 pro max in apple store, I can still feel the ficker of this screen, but Im fine with my 2021 ipad pro 12.9 ,maybe some people have sensitive eyes

I still stick to an iphone11 now
 
Notebook Check now lists the regular iPhone 13 as having PWM 609.8 Hz and the other 13 models as having 510.2 Hz. Why would the regular 13 have a higher PWM rate then the other models?

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Taz Mangus said:
Notebook Check now lists the regular iPhone 13 as having PWM 609.8 Hz and the other 13 models as having 510.2 Hz. Why would the regular 13 have a higher PWM rate then the other models?

www.notebookcheck.net

Apple iPhone 13 Smartphone Review - High-quality Apple phone with an even brighter display

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It’s certainly possible for them to differ since the Pro models utilize a different OLED panel technology. 510Hz/610Hz is an odd choice of frequency since normally it would be a multiple of the refresh rate, although if accurate that would hypothetically be better than the expected 480Hz.
 
MICHAELSD said:
It’s certainly possible for them to differ since the Pro models utilize a different OLED panel technology. 510Hz/610Hz is an odd choice of frequency since normally it would be a multiple of the refresh rate, although if accurate that would hypothetically be better than the expected 480Hz.
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But the 13 Mini is listed as the 510.2 like the Pro and the Pro Max.
 
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