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See I don't find Samsung new design appealing at all. The camera arrays look dreadful, and they're just a big rectangle. Different strokes for different folks aesthetically. The most appealing part is the small bezels. Again, it is easy for them to pull off a notch-less design when they don't have FaceID or the equivalent to house along with the front camera.

If the iPhone 13 looks close to the renders in the original post, that's a great tradeoff to still have FaceID.
Note 20 Ultra was months older than iPhone 12 Pro Max tho,I don’t like Note’s bulky cameras either but in terms of front ,Note looks much more modern and more professional.
iPhone’s notch definitely makes it look like an older device.
Other than that I think 12 Pro Max looks awesome (specially back and sides).

but then there is the new S21 Ultra which looks very similar to 12 Pro Max from front without that ugly notch and from rear ,while I really like 12 Pro Max,I think S21 Ultra matt black looks amazing ,so modern and futuristic and unique.



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Why is everyone so bothered with the notch. It shouldnt bother anyone... in fact, instead of seeing the ‘missing’ part of the screen, just think of it as you got MORE screen on the left and right side of the notch.
 
Put me in the camp than this will be a 12S line.Plus, they’ll skip 13 just like they skipped 9.
The iPhone X was a special case for the 10th anniversary of the iPhone, plus it’s form factor changed. Just as the iPhone 12 was a form factor change from the 11 and that is why there was no 11S. If Apple does use the 12S naming then the iPhone after that would probably be named iPhone 13.
 
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Needs to come with the M2 processor.
It was reported that a A14X with 8 cores was supposedly benchmarked with a multi-core score over 6800. If true and the A15 goes from 6 cores to 8 cores, that would certainly get closer to the M1 performance which is staggering for a cell phone CPU.

EDIT: It appears from the early posted benchmarks for the A15, Apple is going to use 6 cores.
 
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After years with my launch iPhone X, I’m pretty sick of the notch. I actually use to like it, or not be bothered by it.

But lots of better looking phones now.
I used black wallpaper.... lol
 

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For me, this is a pretty big upgrade

especially if they can integrate Touch ID into display, as well as utilize an Always on display
 
I'm still thinking a deep "wine red" matte color perhaps?

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Probably wait until iPhone 14 (2022) OR I'll wait for more solid rumors in June, July to see if there are any massive upgrades. Right now I don't see any need to upgrade my 12PM
Perhaps. It’s also very similar to the popular ’plum’ colour found on the Apple Watch band.
 
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And Apple's 'Designers' continue navel gazing and get paid a fortune - thinking different colours and a smaller notch is innovative....wow!.

See Apple design team totally owned by this (working) expanding/sliding phone from Oppo. I'm sure Steve Jobs would be irate at the current design team at Apple for essentialy designing nothing new in the last 3 years. Come to think of it... is anyone actually designing stuff at Apple or are they just using old parts year on year and revising out of date concepts - they really don't have anything original to show any more? Yes they might update the innards - but hey - so does everyone else - that's nothing new.

 
They r what, improving battery life when they ****ed it with 5G when still no one uses it?
Every single brand goes and moves on with new and improved features, apple does nothing lol.

cant imagine using an apple phone without touch ID, since im so used to touch ID by others' phones...
 
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