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No touch ID? I'll stick with Android's underscreen fingerprint sensor.
 
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I've recently bought a cheap Samsung for my mother, and it's under-the-screen fingerprint sensor works flawlessly. Instead of pushing up prices with crap like lidar and 120Hz screen only a handful of nerds want, they should focus on things people actually need.
 
It will be bigger than what we just saw with the 12

For pros

120hz
Touch ID
Always on display
Agreed.

Some people are clearly moved by aesthetics more than function. Which is fine, not judging. They were an object of desire for me up until about the 7+. These days, a phone is strictly a tool.

I usually (but not always) buy the S or SS model, in my experience they’re usually, on balance, a better proposition for those of us who aren’t interested in annual upgrades.
 
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That notch ... and that bump .... still?! After all these years and all these versions (and all that billions of dollars), Apple still can't solve these 2 design failures?!
They could.
But they would have bump up the price with an additional $70-$100 to keep the same margins. And that is really why apple seems to be moving so slow. Margins and yields. They could make the perfect iPhone, but we wouldn’ t want to pay for it.
believe me, apple has the resources to make the perfect iPhone (except perhaps notch/faceid), but it would be out of reach for the regular consumer.

I think apple will enter a much higher price segment with a foldable/rollable iPhone, perhaps thenthey show what they are really capable of.
 
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I wanted to upgrade to the 12 pro Max , from my 10s Max , but same notch and no 120hz made me decide to wait another year. Let’ s hope iPhone 13 will have both.
 
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Digitimes and Mac Otakara are so low on rumours and accuracy...lets stick with bloomberg and Kuo
They said in February 2020 last year that notch will be smaller on the pro models ....yea right
 
Can someone please update me on something I'm a little confused about.

I recall years ago, when the old iPhone, perhaps the 4 ? had squared off edges, there were complaints about it not being easy to pick up off the table.

Then 1 or 2 models/years later Apple changed to a rounded edge design, which I strongly recall at the time pretty much everyone loved, and many posts about this love for the more comfortable rounded shape, and also the fact it was not much easier to pick up off the table (as I guess your nails could get underneath the sides a little)

But now we're gone back to this squared design, and again people are posting how they love it.

I hope you can understand my confusion on this point, and why the design, and people's love is flip flopping between there two designs.

Logically I would imagine a rounder edge, would be the best as, it's easier to pick up and nicer to hold as your fingers wrap around it. After all there is a reason why all things designed to be held are smooth and rounded for comfort.

So why the new love for what, in theory is a worse design? Puzzled.
 
My 6+ is dying and I ordered* a refurbished 8+, and I will keep it until Apple gets back to its senses and makes an iPhone without a notch (or even worse a punch hole).

* actually I already received it: original box, perfect condition (probably never used), correct color and memory... but it was missing the Plus :D
 
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I've recently bought a cheap Samsung for my mother, and it's under-the-screen fingerprint sensor works flawlessly. Instead of pushing up prices with crap like lidar and 120Hz screen only a handful of nerds want, they should focus on things people actually need.
iPhones haven't changed their price for three years. Where did you see the price bump?
 
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honestly the notch has never bothered me as I never notice it. I’ll take it though. I am glad to see the current design sticking around.
 
Any features in the new iPhone to help keep speech Apple deems inappropriate from reaching its target? Or will they be lazy and just have reporting of suspected unacceptable activity that you can’t opt out of? They need to partner up with North Korea for more effective solutions to these problems of our time. Cheaper labor there too.
 
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By the time the pandemic hit last year the design of iphone 12 was long locked in. But Apple will surely address the masks issue in iphone 13 somehow. They'll either include Touch ID (in the power button) in addition the Face ID or maybe they'll figure out how to make Face ID work with masks. waiting to see the rumors which it will be.
Or maybe Apple will start selling Face ID compatible masks. That's the Apple way!
 
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Can someone please update me on something I'm a little confused about.

I recall years ago, when the old iPhone, perhaps the 4 ? had squared off edges, there were complaints about it not being easy to pick up off the table.

Then 1 or 2 models/years later Apple changed to a rounded edge design, which I strongly recall at the time pretty much everyone loved, and many posts about this love for the more comfortable rounded shape, and also the fact it was not much easier to pick up off the table (as I guess your nails could get underneath the sides a little)

But now we're gone back to this squared design, and again people are posting how they love it.

I hope you can understand my confusion on this point, and why the design, and people's love is flip flopping between there two designs.

Logically I would imagine a rounder edge, would be the best as, it's easier to pick up and nicer to hold as your fingers wrap around it. After all there is a reason why all things designed to be held are smooth and rounded for comfort.

So why the new love for what, in theory is a worse design? Puzzled.
Yep. “Thrill of the new”, marketing and hive mind.

I remember MKBHD unwittingly writing his iPhone 18 review when he said how the 12 “no longer has those dated rounded off edges”, which he will revise for the 18 review to “no longer has those dated squared off edges”.
 
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Any features in the new iPhone to help keep speech Apple deems inappropriate from reaching its target? Or will they be lazy and just have reporting of suspected unacceptable activity that you can’t opt out of? They need to partner up with North Korea for more effective solutions to these problems of our time. Cheaper labor there too.
Extra few milliseconds of phone call latency, everything you say pinged off their E(mpathy)1 coprocessor. Express anything that’s not lockstep Liberal or alludes to their hypocrisy re China? DING DING! Signal drops, authorities arrive at your door 9 minutes 41 seconds later.

Thankfully, E1 will rely on Siri so you’ll evade capture and get the weather for Luxembourg 30% of the time.
 
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I have an iPhone 8 for jogging and iPhone 11 Pro Max as my daily driver. Both have Apple Pay and the iPhone 8 with TouchID is so much easier to use in this mask-wearing world when using Apple Pay and general unlocking of the phone!
I agree
 
I hate that I have to stick with the lower end SE to not have a notch, that monstrosity should have been replaced with under the screen Touch ID or side button Touch ID years ago. That decision is even less comprehensible now that Face ID is virtually useless in pandemic time.
 
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0.26mm increase in thickness for which models I wonder. 12 Pro got thinner vs 11 Pro. I wonder whether the rumoured thickness increase is to get battery capacity back up to closer to the 11 Pro levels which to me would seem like a good idea in a year when Apple is rumoured to be introducing ProMotion which, when at 120Hz, will have a hit on battery life and that's on top of, in my opinion, Apple having scaled back the battery capacities too much this year given that it just added power-hungry 5G modems into the devices.

Maybe this rumoured thickness increase, together with the fact that the next Qualcomm modem (X60) almost certainly in this year's models will be on the newer 5nm geometry so should be more efficient than the 7nm X55 in the 12s, will get Apple back to the top or close to the top of the pile when it comes to battery life vs the competition.

I was blown away by the battery life increases that Apple announced with the 11 Pros vs the 10s and was disappointed when at best Apple stood still with the 12 Pros. It would be great to see forward progress resume this year as far as battery life vs the previous generation is concerned.
 
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