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Just another thing in the long list of why I don't care about phones anymore.

It really do feel like the Mac is the only fun thing at Apple left that actually feels like a step up.
I rather agree. Phones of all kinds have gotten boring. Nothing ever improves on them but the cameras, so all the new fancy features are always photo/video related. Phone cameras were good enough years ago. It’ll get exciting again once the phones turn into glasses. Give me Apple Glasses every day of the week even if it has to be tethered for a couple of years before they can fit everything into the frames. For now, it’s “oh, another camera upgrade? Yawn.”
 
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RAM is increasing tho.
Will make no difference to a 12/13 user. We have plenty of ram - as we should for the money we paid. Mate. Good for a pre iPhone X person ? Although my iPhone 7 wasn’t even that bad just a year ago. (Back up phone I finally sold since I got apple care now with theft protection haha).
I rather agree. Phones of all kinds have gotten boring. Nothing ever improves on them but the cameras, so all the new fancy features are always photo/video related. Phone cameras were good enough years ago. It’ll get exciting again once the phones turn into glasses. Give me Apple Glasses every day of the week even if it has to be tethered for a couple of years before they can fit everything into the frames. For now, it’s “oh, another camera upgrade? Yawn.”
I have to agree. Whilst I love the battery on the iPhone 13 pro max, and smooth screen is cool, it was hardly worth the $2000aud upgrade. Like, let’s be real for a second, it’s a battery.. probably cost apple $3. I’m not hating on apple, I do really like my iPhone, but in this climate, if apple wants my premium dollars, it’s gonna have to knock my socks off a-la-iPhone-4S/5
 
It seems likely that I will skip this year.
And, that's why I bought a 13 Pro Max just a few months ago. The 14 / 14 Pro are not going to worth their price tag (rumored to be $100 more for some models) and will be in short supply for the foreseeable future.
If telling yourself that to feel better about your purchase helps you, then by all-means. However, you should have held off.
 
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And, that's why I bought a 13 Pro Max just a few months ago. The 14 / 14 Pro are not going to worth their price tag (rumored to be $100 more for some models) and will be in short supply for the foreseeable future.
Same here. I was going to wait for the 14 but from what I was reading plus the promotion offered by Verizon for my XR trade in- going to the 13 Pro Max then was a no-brainer. I like heavy, big phones- I have a huge hand and they’re comfortable.
 
My main questiion is whether A16 is based on 5nm all over again, or whether 4nm or even 3nm. A node shrink could bring a good performance bump and energy/thermal savings.

But to be honest, I'm seeing little reason to upgrade from the 13 pro max... if the 14 only has 6 GB RAM as well, then there's absolutely no reason to upgrade... the 13 Pro Max has beautiful Pro Motion and I could care less if the 14 Pro Max with only 6GB RAM gets an Always On Display. What good is an Always on Display when the phone is in my pocket?

Anyone know if the 14/14 Max (non pro) will get ProMotion?
 
It seems likely that I will skip this year.

If telling yourself that to feel better about your purchase helps you, then by all-means. However, you should have held off.
Why? It depends where you’re coming from. I was coming from an Xr. I could’ve stayed with the Xr but the promotion at the time was really good - I was getting like $500 trade in credit for the Xr. It afforded me the jump that I never would’ve made otherwise.
 
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There were actually two A15’s released last year. Remember the Pro phones got the A15 with five GPU cores while the non-Pro phones only got four GPU cores. It’s likely they’ll put the five core version into the iPhone 14 non-Pros, thus giving them a performance boost over the iPhone 13. Both A15 versions still had two performance cores and four high efficiency cores.
My point is how do they market that to the casual user who has no idea/little interest in what a "core" does. The average consumer is not on this site following every benchmark on a device.

You got a 30 second ad to convince someone to buy a new iPhone or upgrade from last year's.

The spin will be fun to watch this fall.
 
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My point is how do they market that to the casual user who has no idea/little interest in what a "core" does. The average consumer is not on this site following every benchmark on a device.

You got a 30 second ad to convince someone to buy a new iPhone or upgrade from last year's.

The spin will be fun to watch this fall.
I’m more interested in how Apple handles this in their September keynote. I’m sure they’ll talk about a 25% boost in graphics power plus whatever minimal increase they’ll get from more RAM and a faster clock speed. Whether they mention it will be the same SoC in the 13 Pros, I don’t know. You’d think they have to since they always talk about the new A-series chip in their keynote. They’ll probably gloss over it while showing A15 w/ 5 GPU cores in their features slide while never saying out loud what SoC is in it. Then they’ll segue into talking about the A16 before getting into the new Pro features.

I wouldn’t worry about their marketing, though. I assume it’ll be the same as usual. Apple usually releases a series of commercials that each pick out one iPhone feature and talk about that. They never talk specs or A-anything in their commercials since customers couldn’t care less about that stuff.
 
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1)Technology is getting saturated for what people need in real life
2) Economic is taking a dive in the western world due to population declince and labor shortage
3) Like everything else in the Universe, there is the begining, the peak, and the end.... Apple as a corporation, or America in general is just following the law of the universe.
That is a LOT to infer from a rumoured decision to use the same superpowered pro chip from last year in this year’s consumer model iPhone.

Apple are a smart company. They’ve proven themselves to be so over the last two decades of monumental growth, smash hit product releases and consecutive record breaking earnings. If they’ve realized they don’t need to put the same bleeding edge chip that goes in their pro phones into their consumer phones, I wouldn’t read much more into it than they’ve figured out that’s what makes the most sense right now.
 
People forget one thing (which was the primary reason I switched to Apple) is that you get years' worth of iOS updates for "free" when you buy a new iPhone. Then compare that with Android. Most Android phone vendors only support one or two versions of Android on their handsets, so you have to upgrade your phone much more often to get the newest features.

I know I can miss out on the iPhone 14 Pro Max because I know that my iPhone 13 Pro Max will still get the iOS update at precisely the same time.
 
First off, there will be no price cuts on phones. Inflation is eating all that. Even without the processor upgrade, the prices will either stay the same or go up.

The 14 PM will be a sort of unicorn phone that almost no one will have (or really need). I'll keep my 13 PM for now, unless VZW offers an upgrade that doesn't involve my bill going up as they did last year. Otherwise, the 13PM is working great for me. It's really an awesome phone.

We're reaching the point where these things are becoming commodities like washing machines or refrigerators.

I mean, you can make a fridge with see through doors, and WiFi in it, and all that, and you can make a washer/dryer that does all kinds of cool stuff. But in the end, it still keeps things cold, or washes clothes.

I'm not ditching my working Maytag electric dryer my father bought in 1985 for a new one with electronic controls. Two belts and heating elements later, it's still going strong and it still makes clothes dry.

It was really cool to fix the element in it a few months ago AGAIN and keep it going. And I saved a ton of cash in the process. Come and take it!
Yes it's insane the price range of fridges now is like $500 to over $10k! And on the 70s Show everyone just got them based on color. Maybe the water ice on the door and a chest freezer on the bottom could be nice, but I don't need all that tech on a fridge, and I love tech. I do miss the old place where you paid for washer/dryer with an app. I'd rather pay with cash here than use the garbage card that is erroring a lot, and you can only load at a single machine in the complex instead of an app. And it was nice to get a notification it was done, even though it was always wrong on the early. But I can always just say Hey Siri, set a timer for ## minutes
 
Will make no difference to a 12/13 user. We have plenty of ram - as we should for the money we paid. Mate. Good for a pre iPhone X person ? Although my iPhone 7 wasn’t even that bad just a year ago. (Back up phone I finally sold since I got apple care now with theft protection haha).

I have to agree. Whilst I love the battery on the iPhone 13 pro max, and smooth screen is cool, it was hardly worth the $2000aud upgrade. Like, let’s be real for a second, it’s a battery.. probably cost apple $3. I’m not hating on apple, I do really like my iPhone, but in this climate, if apple wants my premium dollars, it’s gonna have to knock my socks off a-la-iPhone-4S/5
Same with storage. There's no way it costs close to what we pay to increase capacity. And you can see it going to sales sites. It's a pittance more for the higher capacity models.
 
Not good enough. Definitely skipping this non-upgrade. Hopefully enough people will not bite, so apple will reconsider their predatori tactics next year.
 
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I don't really understand the appeal of "performance improvements" anymore. Ever since the iPhone 5S I don't think my iPhone has ever been sluggish.
 
I’m sure there’ll be plenty of non-CPU goodies, but that said I’m very happy with the hardware on my 13 Pro. Now, I’d they could just get all the dang new bugs out of iOS, I’ll be a happy camper.
 
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The best iPhone you can get will be the Pro or the Pro Max version for your hard earned dollar.

Not if you don’t want to spend over a grand it’s not. These phones are always incrementally better than the previous year and unless you’ve got a 3 or 4 year old phone, it’s much the same.
 
Not if you don’t want to spend over a grand it’s not. These phones are always incrementally better than the previous year and unless you’ve got a 3 or 4 year old phone, it’s much the same.
Agree with you. But money comes money goes. But the precious time/year with the latest iPhone does not.
 
Here in Australia you can get a 20-25% discount on the iPhone 13. Given that the iPhone 14 will be a very small incremental update and be more expensive, I would be crazy to even consider an iPhone 14. No thank you. I have an iPhone XS and will grab a discounted iPhone 13 this week.
 
To be honest, I'm waiting for the Apple Watch Series 8 since I've never owned one. My iPhone 13 Pro Max can last for another year unless there is something significant about the announcement of the iPhone 14 Pro Max that changes my mind.
 
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Agree with you. But money comes money goes. But the precious time/year with the latest iPhone does not.

If it impresses you then fair enough. I just can’t relate to why it’s satisfying I suppose and it annoys me how overpriced the Pro iPhones are compared to the standard mainstream iPhones.
 
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