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I seriously doubt these features are incentive to upgrade for anyone. Most likely there a technical reasons - maybe the chip on the battery is different?

Whatever the reason, this is not a feature Apple would keep on latest models just to promote them or get anyone to upgrade.
It's got nothing to do with the chip or the battery themselves. That info has always been there, third party apps and cumbersome shortcuts let you read that, now Apple finally let users see it in a sensible way. I can't think of any other reason to gate keep it other than to differentiate the 15 models to the previous generations.
 
You could already get it with analytics iirc (exporting log and checking for keywords "battery cycles"

Ex:https://www.igeeksblog.com/how-to-check-iphone-battery-charge-cycle-count/
In other words, all iPhones are outputting the cycle count, it's just a matter of Apple deciding to implement it in the Battery Health section for all users to read?

That debunks any theories that there's a technical reason if Apple decides to only let iPhone 15 owners see cycle count.
 
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I have been reading this post and the one yesterday (regarding the limiting of charging to 80%) and find the response interesting. I have always wanted my phone to be charged to 100% at the start of the day to ensure it lasts the whole day. Limiting it to 80% makes me worried that I'm gonna find myself low on battery at some point in the day. I just assumed everyone felt the same way. Now, granted, I get a new phone every year so I don't care about long-term battery health. I appreciate seeing other perspectives on this, even if they are different than mine.
 
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Apple isn't the only ones that employ the if you want the latest features you have to buy the latest edition.
Other than that my only guess is Apple wants this on a Day 1 iOS 17 device battery and going forward because not everyone is a tech junkie and not understand what the numbers mean , then go to the geek squad wanting a new battery or something and Apple can also say other software isn't the Apple official software so it's numbers aren't valid.
But over all I doubt most people outside of the tech sites would even notice or care about this
All they know is the battery is low, plug it up, rinse and repeat
 
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I have been reading this post and the one yesterday (regarding the limiting of charging to 80%) and find the response interesting. I have always wanted my phone to be charged to 100% at the start of the day to ensure it lasts the whole day. Limiting it to 80% makes me worried that I'm gonna find myself low on battery at some point in the day. I just assumed everyone felt the same way. Now, granted, I get a new phone every year so I don't care about long-term battery health. I appreciate seeing other perspectives on this, even if they are different than mine.
...and charging it to 100% is perfectly fine if you're going to use it. What's to avoid is having the phone sit on 100% charge for a long time. That's why the "optimized charging" -which is intended for overnight charging-, works perfectly fine for your scenario. The phone knows your habit of getting up at 07:00am, so charges to 80% right away, then waits until 06:00am to charge it to 100% until 06:30. Therefore the stress on the battery is reduced to 30minutes instead of 6+ hours.
 
Being that apps like Coconut Battery and iMazing have been able to reveal cycle count, manufacturing date, and more for iPhone and iPad batteries for close to ten years, I will not entertain the notion that this extended Battery Health and new charge limit features are not possible for all devices running iOS 17.

New levels of b.s. if this doesn’t land on all iOS 17 devices.
I wonder if the third party apps and the stock metrics will match up exactly? That will be a good test to see if there’s anything else happening here under the hood.
 
Just seems like a source of anxiety for me. Most people (not me) swap their phones out every 2 years anyway, so what difference will it make? And let's say they don't. I'd rather just use and charge my phone how I want and maybe have to upgrade a little bit earlier, or just buy a new battery. It's not worth being so paranoid about my battery health. I want to actually enjoy my phone.
 
In other words, all iPhones are outputting the cycle count, it's just a matter of Apple deciding to implement it in the Battery Health section for all users to read?

That debunks any theories that there's a technical reason if Apple decides to only let iPhone 15 owners see cycle count.
Correct. Matter of fact same goes for ipad lacking battery health value in settings, which you can still draw from analytics
 
Good information to have access to along with being able to restrict to 80% charge.

The only explainations I can think of for it not coming to older models is because Apple has no way to calculate the cycles for older devices that have been used for months/years but with iPhone 15 it's a brand new device that comes with iOS 17 out the box so as soon as you start using it then it will keep track of cycles.

most likely reason is they want you to buy an iPhone 15 lol. If they can bring it to older devices they might do it in the future if enough people pressure them.

That’s not true. I’ve been using this Siri Shortcut (https://www.itecheverything.com/powerutil) for some time to get a reading of the battery cycles using just the logs generated by iOS itself (not all logs will include that info). It works with my old iPhone 6S on iOS 15, my iPhone 13 on both iOS 16 and 17 and even on my iPads.
 
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So features from coconut battery (cycle count) and Al Dente (state of charge limiter) are now built in to the iPhone? Seems like those features both will both be built into macOS sooner or later. Actually macOS shows the cycle count already but you have to know where to look.

Are those apps about to be Sherlocked ?
No way AlDente will be gone. It is too good compared to what Apple offers.
 
So features from coconut battery (cycle count) and Al Dente (state of charge limiter) are now built in to the iPhone? Seems like those features both will both be built into macOS sooner or later. Actually macOS shows the cycle count already but you have to know where to look.

Are those apps about to be Sherlocked ?
On the Mac laptops it is already possible to see the battery cycle count, its condition and the battery health for many years. You have to open System Settings > About and click on "System Report." From there you click on power on the left side of the list and you will see all the information.
 

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Coconut Battery can do this with any model of iPhone and it has forever.

Very logical to have battery load cycles not in the battery settings — Do idiots create this?
 
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and people with iPads are still blindsided about battery health %, unless using some unreliable 3rd party options.
Seriously, why on earth is there no battery information on iPads? My child's iPad gets charged a ridiculous amount of times and I'd like to easily see information about the health, charge cycles, etc. There is no way to do this on-device in the Settings app. However, it can be known through 3rd party apps, and Apple can look at this information if you take the device in for support (which btw showed battery health at 89% with 1200 charge cycles!).
 
Why does this say Apple's batteries work on charge cycles but then we have the other camp stating charging more than 80% degrades the battery?

I wonder if holding it at 80% also slowly uses up charge cycles, but instead of dropping 10% or 25%, it's quick little 0.001% and recharges so, at the end of the day, the result is the same.
 
And itll be another metric, just like the Battery Health percentage, that some people will obsessively focus on and will freak out over instead of just using the phone for what its designed for.
 
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I've been using CoconutBattery for years, just checked they have plus paid version (you can connect iOS devices using WiFi). Sound silly to me that Apple cannot provide that info for older models.
 
gotta stack up the reasons to push ppl to upgrade.
Right…because lots of people are itching to upgrade to know their charge cycle count…

This is a cool feature but battery health is more useful. You can guess your change cycle pretty close by just knowing you habits.

Nice but not a big deal.
 


iPhone 15 users will be able to check their battery's cycle count for the first time, according to information shared on X (formerly Twitter).

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Previous methods to check an iPhone's battery cycle count were unofficial (via third-party apps) or complicated, such as copying and pasting analytics into Notes and searching for "last_value_CycleCount." According to a screenshot shared by @Tech_Reve, battery cycle information is visible on iPhone 15 models by navigating through Settings, General, and About. A new "Battery" section is present toward the bottom of the page. In addition to the number of battery cycles, it also lists production date and the date of its first use.



While battery health has been visible on the iPhone for several years in the form of "Maximum Capacity," the ability to see its specific number of cycles is a valuable additional metric to determine its condition. A charge cycle is registered every time you deplete all of the battery's capacity. Battery cycle information can easily be accessed on MacBooks by navigating to System Information. From Apple's battery information webpage:Yesterday, it emerged that all of the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro models feature a new battery health setting that prevents the devices from charging beyond 80% at all times when enabled. Apple says all of the iPhone 15 models have the same battery life as their iPhone 14 predecessors. The devices launch this Friday.

Article Link: iPhone 15 Models Finally Show Battery's Cycle Count
Mac app Coconut Battery allows you to check battery cycle count and remaining full-charge capacity via USB on older iPhoneOS/iPadOS devices. Been using it to do so for years
 
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Coming to iPhones in 2024...

The ability to make a call to emergency services will be exclusive to the Pro models..

Tim: We think people using the new iPhone Pro will really appreciate the ability to make these life saving calls. No other company has been as bold as we are in pushing the limits of our customers... sorry devices.
 
The "Charge to 80%" and now this - exclusive to the 15.

Sorry...don't care what anyone says, this feature I'm sure could easily be added to older models with a software update. I can grab cycle counts via Coconut, iMazing...etc. The Charge only to 80% would be helpful to many.

Or maybe thats too late for failing 14 batteries now...older 13, 12s with a battery health in the low 90s, mid-upper 80s on those that will be holding on the phones for another year.

BUT..if you get a Apple replacement battery soon, sure...then THIS feature is helpful.
 
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