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How did you do it w/o USB-C? 😁

The same way I would with USB-C. See below.

They actually do. For a ridiculous amount of money though.

That's not from Apple tho :(

The sad part: IKEA sells USB-A to USB-C cables for $4.99.


They also sell USB-C to USB-C, and USB-C to Lightning for the same price. It's the USB-C to Lightning cable I use to connect my iPhone 11 Pro to my M1 Pro MBP.

BL.
 
The same way I would with USB-C. See below.





The sad part: IKEA sells USB-A to USB-C cables for $4.99.


They also sell USB-C to USB-C, and USB-C to Lightning for the same price. It's the USB-C to Lightning cable I use to connect my iPhone 11 Pro to my M1 Pro MBP.

BL.
Cool I need to go hunt in the labyrinth for those. Haven't been there in a while
 
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You make it sound like Apple is the only company with a marketing department. Anyone with a half decent marketing department would market new features as “revolutionary” and “The best thing since sliced bread,” regardless of how over the feature is. It’s just basic common sense sales tactics.


It’d be useful in transferring 100s of GB of ProRes video to iPads or computers, thus the iPhone is the thunderbolt device for the larger device. It’d be on the receiving end, so no need for it to supply power. It wouldn’t use thunderbolt accessories, it’d be the thunderbolt accessory.
That would be good but they’d have to use fast flash storage or doesn’t matter how fast the pipe is… it’ll only read/write as fast as the internal media. Also, tb support could enable DisplayPort tunelling, hopefully apple may enable mode on iPhone similar to Samsung dex. A16 and the upcoming a17 are more than powerful to render a separate image to a monitor, similar to CarPlay but for desktop monitors.
 
OK, please explain, why 40Gbps-capable USB4 does not allow to read/write to recent USB 3.2 Gen2x2 drives at full speed (20Gbps)? Only 10Gbps is available.
It does, but it has to meet some requirements. First of all not all USB4 ports are created equal (thanks USB-IF), so some despite the naming actually only support pure USB at 10Gbps even if they also separately support thunderbolt signalling at 40Gbps. That also applies to the drive, not just the host, so some combo NVMe USB4 drives for ex will only support 10Gbps or 40Gbps and nothing in between. Second of all USB 3.2 Gen2x2 with this requires USBC ports on both ends for its implementation so if the drive you're using has, say, the larger micro USB port you're SOL

Basically the naming and clarity of the standard sucks. Every iteration it almost feels like standards group is *deliberately* trying to make things more complicated.
 
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It does, but it has to meet some requirements. First of all not all USB4 ports are created equal (thanks USB-IF), so some despite the naming actually only support pure USB at 10Gbps even if they also separately support thunderbolt signalling at 40Gbps. That also applies to the drive, not just the host, so some combo NVMe USB4 drives for ex will only support 10Gbps or 40Gbps and nothing in between. Second of all USB 3.2 Gen2x2 with this requires USBC ports on both ends for its implementation so if the drive you're using has, say, the larger micro USB port you're SOL

Basically the naming and clarity of the standard sucks. Every iteration it almost feels like standards group is *deliberately* trying to make things more complicated.
I should say, too much words here, but things are actually simple. Just google reviews of Kingston XS2000 connected via USB4 port of Apple Silicon MBPs or Mac minis. I’m considering to purchase it and 10Gbps is quite enough for my needs. But the issue is here.
 
hopefully all new iPhone models not just the pro get USB-C, long overdue
The only way they'll put it across all models is if they're forced to by the EU. Otherwise they'll gatekeep that 'feature' for a bit longer. Just like how software based features are locked to the Pro models when the non-Pro and older gen phones are perfectly capable.
 
No I hope they give turtle speed USB C to EU and India, but the thunder one to the rest of the world
ha, that would be better. ”The law states USB C, which supports USB 2.0 speeds, that’s what you get, since the rest of the world isn't mandating USB, we’ll give them thunderbolt 4.”
It's more important to give people living in EU/UK/other countries that require usb-c or other features an objectively inferior product (that could also tarnish Apple's own reputation) just to punish people living in those countries? Sounds like a perfect plan for Apple doing business in those countries! That does seem incredibly petty and childish (just like all of this talk about leaving certain markets because they don't like their laws). Do you really think that people would only blame EU/UK/etc for this and not Apple? Maybe some people on this forum would while also supporting this great new innovation of giving certaing countries worse products as a huge middle finger, but most people aren't that stupid and generally don't like being treated like garbage by a multibillion company.
 
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The real mystery there is why any device with a USB-C port would be limited to USB 2 speeds, like the 10th gen iPad, and the rumored iPhone 15 non-Pro phones.
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Yeah that always struck me as rather odd, why in the hell would Apple release three WHOLE generations of iPad Pro's (2015, 2016 & 2017) with USB 3.0 speed (5Gb) AND Lightning, and not say, take the next year after that, so 2016, to move their 'Pro' iPhones to the same speed (and Lighting). Then ofc, 2018 iPad Pro's moved to USB-C (and got a speed bump to v3.2 10Gig....I think.) And finally landing with Thunderbolt 3 in the M1 iPad Pro, but I guess, reading the messages here, it's still stuck at 10 Gbps most of the time. Tho apparently physically capable of up to 40Gbps.

Seems like a big "so what" to me? When was the last time you plugged your iPhone into a computer to transfer files (versus it doing it via Wi-Fi)? I hate to see outside companies force Apple to do things but I have to admit, when I am traveling with my iPad Pro, MacBook Pro and Apple Watch, it would make things much easier if those devices used a common charging format. I have to get my Anker charger out at the hotel room, find the USB C cable, find the Lightening cable, identify which is which before I plug them into the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook....just not a clean solution...
Yeah in all honesty, if Apple could move, which they did, iPad Pro to USB-C in 2019, they really shouldn't have waited this long for the iPhones to do the same, this tells me it's all about MFI money baby! 🤣🤣

Also, you do know the EU is a government, not a company right? They have a right to legislate stuff, and in all honesty, again (like above), if the USA had a normal government from 2016 to 2020, instead of the he-who-shall-not-be-named--mess the US would've surely gotten their act together too and legislated the same as EU is doing now.

If they put a Thunderbolt port it's going to be a lot harder for a portless phone to compete.
Not really, I suspect it'll be a good 10 years after USB-C with Thunderbolt 3 or 4 iPhones have been around, for that tech to have catched up.

You do know the UK voted to LEAVE the EU and are now their own United Kingdom right? Ironically this rule won’t apply to them!
True, but most of the legislation on it was actually made and drafted at a time the UK was still very much a part of the EU, so I'm sure they'd contributed to it at the time. So surely, they would just hold a motion in their House of Commons to adopt the same legislation into local UK bylaws.
 
Recently I got a 2022 RAV4 as a rental car and was shocked to discover that the car had USB-C ports for charging only, USB-A for CarPlay, and no wireless CarPlay. I had USB C to USB C and USB C to USB A cables along with USB C to Lightning, but didn't think I would still need to bring USB A to Lightning cables with me. Just a nightmare of a cable situation which will be much better when iPhone moves to USB C.
 
Recently I got a 2022 RAV4 as a rental car and was shocked to discover that the car had USB-C ports for charging only, USB-A for CarPlay, and no wireless CarPlay. I had USB C to USB C and USB C to USB A cables along with USB C to Lightning, but didn't think I would still need to bring USB A to Lightning cables with me. Just a nightmare of a cable situation which will be much better when iPhone moves to USB C.

Funny you should mention this.

In May, I bought a 2022 Toyota Highlander Hybrid XLE. It has 4 USB-C ports, yet CarPlay uses USB-A, and there isn't any wireless Carplay. I do have Qi charging, however. So I keep a set of USB-C to Lightning and USB-A to Lightning cables in the car at all times, with Qi needed as an emergency. If the next phone comes with USB-C, I'll simply swap the USB-A to Lightning with USB-A to USB-C. Transfer speeds won't matter here, as CarPlay is the more important part.

BL.
 
It's more important to give people living in EU/UK/other countries that require usb-c or other features an objectively inferior product (that could also tarnish Apple's own reputation) just to punish people living in those countries? Sounds like a perfect plan for Apple doing business in those countries! That does seem incredibly petty and childish (just like all of this talk about leaving certain markets because they don't like their laws). Do you really think that people would only blame EU/UK/etc for this and not Apple? Maybe some people on this forum would while also supporting this great new innovation of giving certaing countries worse products as a huge middle finger, but most people aren't that stupid and generally don't like being treated like garbage by a multibillion company.
Yes people would blame the Government, if because of a law their experience was worse. If government is making bad decision (This is a bad decision), then it's time to vote in new officials.
 
I use my phone for phone calls. Could care less what port is used. I still have an 8 plus. USB C won’t affect my phone calls, won’t change my browser speed and it won’t change how I print pictures at Walgreens. Will it make updating to the cloud any faster, no.
 
Funny you should mention this.

In May, I bought a 2022 Toyota Highlander Hybrid XLE. It has 4 USB-C ports, yet CarPlay uses USB-A, and there isn't any wireless Carplay. I do have Qi charging, however. So I keep a set of USB-C to Lightning and USB-A to Lightning cables in the car at all times, with Qi needed as an emergency. If the next phone comes with USB-C, I'll simply swap the USB-A to Lightning with USB-A to USB-C. Transfer speeds won't matter here, as CarPlay is the more important part.

BL.
Maybe not transfer speeds, but charge speeds would be affected for sure. I have a hard time looking up the output from cars' USB-C ports, but anecdotally they charge faster than USB-A ports. My own car has a 7.5W USB A port for CarPlay which is painfully slow. I've started carrying around a fast charging USB C car charger when I travel because it makes life so much easier for charging everyone's stuff while we're driving around.
 
Maybe not transfer speeds, but charge speeds would be affected for sure. I have a hard time looking up the output from cars' USB-C ports, but anecdotally they charge faster than USB-A ports. My own car has a 7.5W USB A port for CarPlay which is painfully slow. I've started carrying around a fast charging USB C car charger when I travel because it makes life so much easier for charging everyone's stuff while we're driving around.

That's a given. USB-C is nominally faster than USB-A. At that point, if charging needed to take priority, I'd plug into the USB-C port. If CarPlay was needed, I'd plug into the USB-A port. But with using Lightning right now anyway, we're already taking a hit in those speeds because of dropping to the slowest supported protocol, which would be Lightning. Same would happen with going USB-A to USB-C, as the USB-C side would slow down to USB-A speeds.

BL.
 
Useless feature. All I need a port for is charging and even then rarely but Apple will no doubt tout this as one of the tiny handful of selling points for the Pro.
 
I recall a long iPhone thread back when the USB-C rumour surfaced and almost everyone automatically associated the new port with a huge speed transfer improvement. Trying to explain then that the chipset itself is responsible to perhaps attain 5 or 10 Gbps and hypothesising that Apple would forward the extra cost to the consumer anyway.

Jokingly I did say that it's possible to retain 480Mbps on a USB-C connection. It was just a joke Apple, honoust!
Needless to say, I didn't however see this segmentation coming.
 
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