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EU mandated for the purposes of reducing waste.

Their mandate is increasing waste.
A new iPhone every year, a new android every (3mths?) is absolutely increasing e-waste and anyone's saying nothing.
I have USB-c (ipad), lightning (iphone and airpods) and micro-usb devices at home. EU wants you to have just one way of charging and not just for phones but for speakers, radios, whatever electronic stuff...

Probably you're right, and that policies will generate more waste at first but at least we can have just 1 cable for all.

If we want to stop the waste, we'll have to stop buying stuff because "it comes with a new hat"
 
USB-C 2.0 cables are fine if the port is 2.0 speed. No reason to include a cable that has higher spec.

2.0 speed is fine on the non pro these people really aren’t tech snobs those who are would not even consider a non-pro model
 
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USB-C 2.0 cables are fine if the port is 2.0 speed. No reason to include a cable that has higher spec.

2.0 speed is fine on the non pro these people really aren’t tech snobs those who are would not even consider a non-pro model

Actually all premium smartphone over 1000 bucks have usb2.0 cable, on usb 3.1 port.
Do you know a flagship smartphone with a usb 3.1 cable in the box?
 
This isn't like a big thing. Cables primarily intended to be used for charging are usually 2.0.

That goes for many in-box Android charging cables as well as fancy braided third-party ones.

And yeah, Macbook and iPad charging cables are 2.0 as well. My MBP supports thunderbolt but it's not like they included such a cable in the box.
Exactly. What a clickbait article.
 
A new iPhone every year, a new android every (3mths?) is absolutely increasing e-waste and anyone's saying nothing.
I have USB-c (ipad), lightning (iphone and airpods) and micro-usb devices at home. EU wants you to have just one way of charging and not just for phones but for speakers, radios, whatever electronic stuff...

Probably you're right, and that policies will generate more waste at first but at least we can have just 1 cable for all.

If we want to stop the waste, we'll have to stop buying stuff because "it comes with a new hat"


not requiring minimum 3.0/100W cables would reduce ewaste.

stop making new iPhones every year isn't something that's feasible.
 
Sounds like usb-c mandate itself is interference of the free market. I absolutely agree.
It definitely is, to some point. Totally free market is not a thing (in the EU). Whether it's a good or bad thing is and will be polarising subject.
 
A new iPhone every year, a new android every (3mths?) is absolutely increasing e-waste and anyone's saying nothing.
I have USB-c (ipad), lightning (iphone and airpods) and micro-usb devices at home. EU wants you to have just one way of charging and not just for phones but for speakers, radios, whatever electronic stuff...

Probably you're right, and that policies will generate more waste at first but at least we can have just 1 cable for all.

If we want to stop the waste, we'll have to stop buying stuff because "it comes with a new hat"
Just wanted to state 100% agree. Longterm, this will have better consequences for the environment and convenience; it's adopting a (hopefully) global standard.

To your other point: also 100%. We don't need the latest and greatest tech every year. I went from updating annually when iPhones could be jailbroken and unlocked and sold online for $400-600, sometimes more, then bought a new one breaking even or with profit (this was when iPhones were advancing at a warranted pace).

Yet the tech hasn't been compelling enough to warrant updating so often. These devices are so powerful they should last 2-3 years easily. It's the spending that is the primary issue (and I know I do not speak for everyone, some people use their devices for different reasons and camera and other improvements make a difference but the average consumer is the major issue).
 
These are budget phones for people who don’t demand too much for their phones.

Apple could have removed the USB-C port as wireless charging and AirDrop does the same thing.
 
Apple is leaving room for a USB 3.1 “magic cable” which enables “breathtaking, high speed transfers for enhanced productivity.”
 
People here maybe don't know that higher speed uses more power. Power has a cascading effect all over the phone, from the size of internal parts to cooling

It also adds more to the cost of the phone. Would you pay more for a faster USB-C port?

Maybe Apple got it right and put the faster speed only on phones that would actually be used to shoot a lot of video, are large enough to hold a larger battery and are sold to people who don't care some much what it costs.
 
I see it more as "Apple could, but they don't have to."

The next iPhone will still come with a charging cable, as it does right now. That's all there is to this news. Nothing's changed. Want a faster transfer speed? Get one from Anker or Ugreen or a myriad of other brands on amazon.

I do not see why something that has been standard practice across android phones for years is suddenly a dick move when Apple does it, and only for iPhones, and when all the usb-c cables shipped with apple products for purposes of charging have sported 2.0 speeds. My iPad Pro and my M1 MBA for instance.

Let's just call it what it is - manufactured outrage for the sake of controversy and clicks.
Putting your Android-whataboutism aside for a moment, why shouldn't customers be outraged at Apple cheaping out on data transfer speeds? In the grand scheme of things is it a big issue? I would argue no but to say it's just for clicks isn't accurate
 
As more and more devices get faster data and charge wise, this cable becomes more of a nuisance as when they need a cable that can charge above 100w or need usb 3/4 speeds, they'll realize this cable is no longer necessary and get thrown out.

USB2.0 has a shorter lifetime compared to 3/4.
Personally, I just bought a few USB4 cables and keep them around anytime I need a cable for data transfer of any kind. I got tired of dealing with compatibility hell and just invested in cables that could do it all.

They're too expensive to replace everything else with them. The rest of my cables are just used for charging only, and I have a whole stack of them by now.
 
Actually all premium smartphone over 1000 bucks have usb2.0 cable, on usb 3.1 port.
Do you know a flagship smartphone with a usb 3.1 cable in the box?
Having a cable that is less spec than the port in my opinion is dirty. It should at least meet the spec of the port, but I don’t expect it to exceed the port spec.
If a monitor has a specific HDMI and displayport spec, I expect the included cables to meet that at the minimum
 
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But Apple cables are usually trash so I will end up getting a high spec cable for my 15 promax anyway because I need more than one
 
and USB 2.0 cables are easier to manufacture and much more bendable (a lot fewer wires).
This.

It took 5 pages of rants comments before someone actually pointed out that maybe, just maybe, there might be a valid technical reason why high-power fast charging cables are often USB 2 only.

USB C cables have 1 pair of wires dedicated to USB 2.0 and need another 4 pairs of wires to carry USB 3 as well. Fast charging cables need thicker wires to carry the power, so dumping 8 wires (or maybe using them in parallel to carry power) makes sense.
 
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Not really. You can upload a GB of data in a 2-3 minutes at 4G speeds. So if I'm out shooting video, the video is easily uploaded to the cloud and downloaded to my Mac while I'm out.
When I've done my lightning timelapses they've been 15-20GB in size. In the city yeah uploading over LTE is ehh on T-Mobile. But 5G is not so bad. But when traveling through rural areas and back into good signal areas back and forth iPhone doesn't resume correctly when backing up have to keep manually restarting it.
 
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Can anyone give an example of a smartphone with a fast data cable included in the package?
 
They sold about 225.3 million phones just last year....even if just a 1 cent savings = $2.3 million dollars...not enough for you?
It's enough for me but it shouldn't be enough for Apple. That's not even pocket change. If you're Apple $2.3 million is what you find underneath a seat cushion when you're cleaning out the couch.
 
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