iPhone 16 Pro Demand Has Been Lower Than Expected, Analyst Says

Kuo needs to give rumor sites something to talk about. And then everyone complaining about ‘planned obsolescence’ can whine about the 16 Pro not being different enough from the 15 Pro.
 
jouster said:
Right—on last year’s Pro phones, which will no longer for sale once current stock is exhausted. But the market for buying a 16 Pro/Max is a lot larger than current 15 PM owners and the article claims it is also not upgrading in the expected numbers.
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Also take into account like someone above said, without no apple intelligence he is not buying. Imagine when it is available, sales will spike again.

We don’t know how strong demand has been this year, (I believe fairly strong), but who knows, it could have been Apple’s strategy to delay apple intelligence to maintain the interest of potential people wanting to upgrade for longer and convince them eventually for the Christmas season…
 
There is basically nothing to upgrade for, for European customers. Thinner bezels and “a better camera” are just not enough.
 
Qountdown said:
Strange, I'm in the UK and will get it. Last time I checked we were in Europe.
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You know full well what he means, you don't need to defend Apples honour.

Anyway, those touting a faster chip and better battery are hilarious because you have no idea if either are any better than the 15 pro and only going off Apple PR which is full of utter lies.

Zero AI which took up 80% of marketing for these phones at launch is embarrassing

Jeff Williams using the SAME design for 6 years running is disgusting, lazy and arrogant.

Having no AI at launch because you spent all your time on a stupid vanity headset that no one uses is selfish, arrogant and visionless.

Jeff Williams and Tim Cook need to go.
 
Chungry said:
None of that is meaningful upgrade from last year. I wonder how useful a mono-tasking button is for camera. The interface Apple showed off is going to confuse old people. The screen is still awful and the camera changes could actually be worse for everyday usage since the 3 to 5x jump is such a drastic difference when composing. Charging is, whatever I guess that’s good. Most of the pro camera features - I’d love to know the breakdown of who actually uses that stuff. The majority want point and shoot. Is the pro phone actually a pro video and photo phone but not Pro as in professional? I suspect so
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To you it’s not meaningful. The OP literally said they are meaningful to him.
 
jtgil said:
You talk like this is easy stuff, (sure the aesthetics part is easy, the rest is very much not).

You are welcome to let the car manufacturers know too that they ran out of ideas, and for that fact aircraft manufacturers and pretty much a lot of other random manufacturers of stuff, been doing the same **** for the past 50 years if not longer.
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red herring. and neither of those industries really have anything to do with smartphones, although cars are sort of slowly moving into more of a consumer electronics space as they electrify and gain ”smart” features.
 
SmugMaverick said:
You know full well what he means, you don't need to defend Apples honour.

Anyway, those touting a faster chip and better battery are hilarious because you have no idea if either are any better than the 15 pro and only going off Apple PR which is full of utter lies.

Zero AI which took up 80% of marketing for these phones at launch is embarrassing

Jeff Williams using the SAME design for 6 years running is disgusting, lazy and arrogant.

Having no AI at launch because you spent all your time on a stupid vanity headset that no one uses is selfish, arrogant and visionless.

Jeff Williams and Tim Cook need to go.
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Although I agree on the vision headset I disagree on the rest.

Please see here on iPhone 16 Pro benchmarks already available: https://9to5mac.com/2024/09/14/iphone-16-pro-m1/

Proven to be much faster.

Also, although it would be nice to have different design, it’s not always easy when tech/design is mature, if not, we should let computer designers, car designers, aircraft designers, tv designers, shoe designers and pretty much half the manufacturers in the world know that what they do is lazy….
 
A way worse underlying economy than the press wants paint and what I thought was one of the worst Apple presentations in memory (and I love watching these.). They have descended into this safe pre recorded commercial and it is getting old.

They got away with it in covid and now it is like "why tune in?"

They need to not hide in the basement and get back to some high energy and enthusiastic live presentations.

PS The feature bumps are small and will be that way probably forever.
 
brofkand said:
red herring. and neither of those industries really have anything to do with smartphones, although cars are sort of slowly moving into more of a consumer electronics space as they electrify and gain ”smart” features.
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I find it funny that you say that what I said is basically a fallacy or mild gaslighting.

Are you the authority that phone design should be ever changing? Technology spaces can be different but they have common tendencies when the technology is matured, advancement stagnates that is what I was trying to portray. Computers have been basically the same for 30 years.

And mobile phones for decades looked the same in the 80-90’s and the 2000 wasn’t much better. Why do we need radically new designs and features at such short intervals? Im not against it being different every year, it’s people expectations and then having the gall to complain like they are owed something.
 
Oestreich Dieter said:
Are people really considering getting new phone every year? Why?
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Bro, if you got money to spend easily and you like it why not? Specially if you work from your phone or spend a lot on it (power user style?).

But I agree and find ridiculous those that struggle why even contemplate it. I’m from Spain and the amount of young people financing their phones is ridiculous. They argue it’s not a lot but they have mortgage, car, and other **** to pay too…
 
Just look at prices in Europe.

They make iPhones un-buyable…

Good old times when Apple released only ONE iPhone each year with all the latest features for $699. Now the latest features cost at least $999. 42% price increase for the yearly iPhone with the latest features
 
WarmWinterHat said:
Only a bit more than 10% of iPhone users upgrade yearly, according to stats I've read.

I don't personally know anyone that does, but it sounds about right.
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My Apple fanatic friends would do that, sell their last-year model to purchase this year's new model, but that was 10 years ago when year-over-year improvements were far more noticeable. Nowadays? There isn't the same rush at all.
 
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