There's the other thread that asked "What would a revolutionary iPhone would look like" and my answer that I typed out and didn't post was
"Make the Pro model start at $799".
"Make the Pro model start at $799".
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iPhone 16 Pro Demand Has Been Lower Than Expected, Analyst Says
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Wow. I was done at 8:09 AM and I got a quote of Sept 30 - Oct 2 for a black titanium Pro Max 512 GB.
Guess Apple hates Floridians 😂😂
I like the sound of the staggered 2 year cycle. It keeps feeding the demand of the yearly release cycle, but slows things down.
I think the 16/16 Pro look like a great upgrades from the 14. Maybe it's not as compelling from the 14 Pro Max?
Still holding on to my 11 Pro. I will eventually replace it, just not now and not at full price.
Let’s face it, the 16 Pro is just not that significant of an upgrade over the 15 Pro, especially if you already had the Max. You gain what, a button that allows you to easier access to functions you already had no problem using?
The most significant upgrade that will actually impact people day to day, faster charging, wasn’t openly advertised or even hinted at in the presentation.
The only people I know who are upgrading from 15 Pro to 16 Pro are already on iUP and feel like they might as well just for the sake of doing it.
Next year’s cycle will bring more significant upgrades. 48mp sensor on the telephoto camera, anyone? Better front facing camera? Smaller Dynamic Island? We may see a processor made on a smaller node which will be even more efficient and powerful. Battery technology is still improving daily. And if Apple wants to go really crazy, they could introduce the first iPhone with an active cooling system - TEC chips are getting awfully cheap and less exotic now.
Biggest upgrades will be Bluetooth 6.0, possibly finally enabling Apple to make AirPods that can handle lossless audio, and a 2TB local storage option.
The most significant upgrade that will actually impact people day to day, faster charging, wasn’t openly advertised or even hinted at in the presentation.
The only people I know who are upgrading from 15 Pro to 16 Pro are already on iUP and feel like they might as well just for the sake of doing it.
Next year’s cycle will bring more significant upgrades. 48mp sensor on the telephoto camera, anyone? Better front facing camera? Smaller Dynamic Island? We may see a processor made on a smaller node which will be even more efficient and powerful. Battery technology is still improving daily. And if Apple wants to go really crazy, they could introduce the first iPhone with an active cooling system - TEC chips are getting awfully cheap and less exotic now.
Biggest upgrades will be Bluetooth 6.0, possibly finally enabling Apple to make AirPods that can handle lossless audio, and a 2TB local storage option.
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The 15 wasn't that significant over the 14 and so on. Good thing. Means people can upgrade every few years and spend any extra money on other things. If people are just upgrading every few years rather than every year then Apple will be fine. They just don't want large numbers completely leaving and going to Android. They can make money on other services and from the higher cost per phone. And even people with less money win because they can get older models cheaper. All good
Oh, Kuo back at it again? Guess his insider information that he’s paying somebody for isn’t panning out…
My ‘speculation’ on why iPhone 16 demand is lower is that it’s pretty much just more of the same. There’s just not enough difference to really grab attention and make people want to upgrade, or even purchase, to a new one.
My ‘speculation’ on why iPhone 16 demand is lower is that it’s pretty much just more of the same. There’s just not enough difference to really grab attention and make people want to upgrade, or even purchase, to a new one.
Expected by whom? I’ve been saying for a while now there would be no rush to upgrade to the 16 after Apple announced that Apple Intelligence wouldn’t be ready at launch and would instead be rolled out slowly in waves over the course of the remainder of 2024 through the spring of 2025.
It also doesn’t help matters that the rest of the world will be stuck waiting when it finally does start rolling out here to users in the USA and that it doesn’t sound like it’s coming to the EU at all at the moment.
If there is an Apple Intelligence inspired demand spike we’re not likely to see it until the iPhone 17 ships. It won’t make sense to rush out and upgrade to the 16 when Apple Intelligence is finally out there because of how close it’ll be to launch time of the 17.
It also doesn’t help matters that the rest of the world will be stuck waiting when it finally does start rolling out here to users in the USA and that it doesn’t sound like it’s coming to the EU at all at the moment.
If there is an Apple Intelligence inspired demand spike we’re not likely to see it until the iPhone 17 ships. It won’t make sense to rush out and upgrade to the 16 when Apple Intelligence is finally out there because of how close it’ll be to launch time of the 17.
Of course an analyst said that lmao
When has some analyst NOT said the new iPhone was underperforming?
When has some analyst NOT said the new iPhone was underperforming?
I’m not on iUP but I’m upgrading from 15PM to 16PM because of the higher resale value, better battery life, improved thermals, the camera button, and visual intelligence. It’s not a huge upgrade as you said, but all the incremental improvements add up to something worthwhile for around $500 after trade in.
I think the 16 Pro is great. But we have reached the point where phones are mature, they last 3-6 years and no one needs to replace a phone every 1-2 years. Apple isn’t doing anything wrong - the phones are getting better slowly as expected in a mature device market. This is the new future. Few are replacing their Samsung phones every year either because of amazing new features.
Yea I am not sure why they gave the 16 and 16 pro the exact same chip. On the website it says A18 Pro chip and A18 chip with 1 less GPU core. Is that what makes it a "Pro" chip? Camera control button. Outside the better display and telephoto, there's not much difference from the Pro to the non pro.
I think 120Hz is one of the main distinguishing features between the Pro and non-Pro. If the rumors are true, and the non-Pros get 120Hz next year with the 17, then I predict the 17 "Air" will be the new replacement for the non-Pro, and there won't be any others. Thinness will now be a major deciding factor in which phone to choose.
This upgrade is a bit different than the others --- the AI integration is a huge deal, considering I use AI daily and utilize it multiple times a day within my workflow -- the iPhone 16 Pro Max will have a place in my future. Everyone has their own unique calculus, as the numbers indicate, not many see the value of upgrading.
Rumor of bad sales. Stock goes down. Actual sales good. Stock goes up. Kuo has friends that enjoy his rumors.
Exactly. I got the 15 pro max to get the 5x telephoto as I use it frequently when I don't want to lug my dSLR for truly distant shots (400mm) for things like my wife at a horseshow. The 16 pro max seems like just a newer 15 pro max with virtually nothing. And while I have almost no desire for generative AI on my phone, I even get that on my current model. Pretty sure I'll go for a 17 or 18 when my battery is losing it, or they add some better camera feature, but all the CPU performance isn't particularly relevant on a phone (I rarely do big database grinding on my phone, or run a heavily loaded web server for work on the phone so at a certain point it's like the old MHz wars or RAM speeds. I don't game on my phone so rendering speeds aren't important in that sense (although the GPU I am sure is used in all sorts of cases but for gaming I have a water cooled RTX based PC since neither flight sim, DCS or CIV are fun on a phone)
I'm upgrading from 13 Pro to 16 Pro, so weight has decreased
Upgrading from 13 Pro to 16 Pro has much more sense than from 15 Pro IMHO
Really? on your phone? I mean don't get me wrong when I'm doing development I absolutely use PyCharm's AI assistant to do a lot of boilerplate tasks and it's great but really don't do a lot of real work on my phone (mostly quicker tasks and looking up info)
Did anyone do the AT&T trade-in for a "free 16 Pro" or "$1,000 off 16 Pro Max"? I know my phone qualifies and I'm currently on an unlimited plan but I don't understand the fine print. If they're really gonna give me $1,000 trade-in credit for an iPhone 12 that I bought for a 50% discount I won't be able to resist.
Same here. I get USBC, satellite message and help, much better camera. All good. And I wasn't remotely suffering in the meantime with some slow, pathetic excuse of a phone.
Funny that so many take Kuo’s assessment at face value.
This is the most informed comment here. Kuo is an analyst. He’s talking directly to investors. That’s it.