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So, unless I'm missing something, Samsung S25 beat iPhone
- on an overclocked phone
- with a substantially improved cooling system
- utilizing an extra 4GB of RAM.

I mean...if they require that to beat an iPhone, not sure that's 'impressive.' Remove the overclocking and the 4GB and let's see how it does. :p
This is - as I understand it - how the phones are delivered.

That Apple includes too little RAM is not a Samsung problem. This came back to bite Apple and their customers with Apple having to restrict Apple Intelligence to just one of the new phones launched 8 months earlier due too insufficient memory.
 
Not surprising when the Snapdragon is beating Apple on multicore processing and RAM.

It’s not enough to make me switch, but we do these silly tests for bragging rights, right?! Give it up to Samsung!👏🏽

Instead of speed, I rather have cooler temperatures when running games and battery life that is 25% longer without the capacity dropping 1-2% every month after about a yr. I can tell now, I’ll need a new battery by the time the age of the battery is just over 2.25 yrs old, before I could just get over 3 yrs before replacement was needed.
 
So a phone that was just released is faster than one from 6 months ago? Why is this news?
 
Lol. That battery percentage of the Samsung. That’s almost 30% more battery consumption…
I’d rather have extra battery life than marginally faster phone.
what are you talking about. The real test started with 71% battery on Samsung. And samsung lost 1% during the test while apple lost 2% of battery.

If you still think Pro Max has better battery than S25 Ultra... just search for "s25 ultra vs iphone 16 pro max battery test" on YT ;)
 
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I use Android. I'm faster on Android, even a $300 Android phone, than an iPhone doing the same things and each minute I'm in front of a phone I feel my life bleeding away. The iPhone always requires me to use 2 hands where Android, at least with Samsung's OneUI, I can do a lot of things using the phone in a single hand.
That’s interesting. Using iOS for so many years I don’t think about the steps I take. Can you give a few examples of the steps you do with one hand that make you more efficient on Samsung/Android?
 
So, unless I'm missing something, Samsung S25 beat iPhone
- on an overclocked phone
- with a substantially improved cooling system
- utilizing an extra 4GB of RAM.

I mean...if they require that to beat an iPhone, not sure that's 'impressive.' Remove the overclocking and the 4GB and let's see how it does. :p
THIS
 
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Did you even see the video? They both started at 100%... Dude...
Nice fail to defend apple. exactly. Did you see and understand the video? he showed phones with 100%. Then probably prepared phones for the test which starts later on. He even switched the phones (Apple to the right). Samsung lost 1% during the test and apple lost 2%.

If you still think Pro Max has better battery than S25 Ultra... just search for "s25 ultra vs iphone 16 pro max battery test" on YT ;)
 
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That’s interesting. Using iOS for so many years I don’t think about the steps I take. Can you give a few examples of the steps you do with one hand that make you more efficient on Samsung/Android?
Easy one, getting to your apps list. Literally one swipe up on android, while on iOS multiple swipes coupled with a very slow UI animation makes it longer than needed.
 
It’s 5% behind on single core an 18% ahead on multicore and even 40% ahead in NPU compared to the A18 pro.

Don’t make up BS. The scores have been posted. The single core performance is about 20% behind the iPhone Pro Max and Samsung’s best tablet is around 35% slower than the iPad Pro M4.

Just because you’re anon doesn’t mean you can lie. It still looks like bad Samsung cope.

What happened to all the Qualcomm for Windows PC revolution that would compete against Apple Silicon? Oh yeah…died on the vine.
 
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Conversely ask yourself why Apple

1. Can't overclock their CPU
They don’t have to.
2. Doesn't improve their cooling
Everything is evolving. iPhone 17 will feature improved cooling.
3. Gives you very little RAM.
They give the right amount. Android needs excessive amounts to keep even with iOS.
And is that something you as a consumer who buys these devices should be happy about?
Yes. For me I am happy in the Apple ecosystem.
 
They don’t have to.
Apparently they do because they are getting beat by Snapdragon Elite by up to 20% if not more on the same fabrication node.
Everything is evolving. iPhone 17 will feature improved cooling.
iPhone cooling has been terrible for a long time that is why under sustained load the SoC downclocks very fast.
They give the right amount. Android needs excessive amounts to keep even with iOS.
Its not the right amount clearly because they cut out features on older phones because of low RAM. Also no such thing as excessive RAM, that not how operating systems work.
Yes. For me I am happy in the Apple ecosystem.
Good for you i guess. A rational human being would demand more not less.
 
And before you come at me with some BS justification @I7guy

Apple has been terrible with cooling iPhones. They deliberately rely on close contact of the logic board to the case of the iPhone to cool the SoC which is not enough hence iPhones throttle performance faster. iPhone 15, iPhone 14 etc all the same method. So tell me again how Apple is evolving their cooling?

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Whereas Samsung uses a vapor chamber to help take heat from the SoC and dissipate heat faster without solely relying on the phone case itself.
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Apparently they do because they are getting beat by Snapdragon Elite by up to 20% if not more on the same fabrication node.
Apple doesn’t have to and they are not going to. They’ll will organically for 2026 tweak the designs as needed. No need for overclocking.
iPhone cooling has been terrible for a long time that is why under sustained load the SoC downclocks very fast.
Ok and does that affect saleability? People are buying Apple services and iPhones. It took Qualcomm 12 years to finally beat multi-core performance, and that is by Samsung overclocking. Bravo.
Its not the right amount clearly because they cut out features on older phones because of low RAM. Also no such thing as excessive RAM, that not how operating systems work.
It is the right amount of RAM, because future proofing is a fools errand. And yeah, there is a cost of excessive future proofing.
Good for you i guess. A rational human being would demand more not less.
Good for me that I am happy. I guess a rational person only buys on specs. I guess people don’t understand how others spend their money. Hint. It’s none of their business.
 
And before you come at me with some BS justification @I7guy

Apple has been terrible with cooling iPhones. They deliberately rely on close contact of the logic board to the case of the iPhone to cool the SoC which is not enough hence iPhones throttle performance faster. iPhone 15, iPhone 14 etc all the same method. So tell me again how Apple is evolving their cooling?

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Whereas Samsung uses a vapor chamber to help take heat from the SoC and dissipate heat faster without solely relying on the phone case itself.
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Most people imo do not care about this stuff. Those who care about this will argue all day long on a forum such as this.

It won’t change my mind to not buy the iPhone 17, because to me I lose the benefit of the apple ecosystem. So carry on, but my next purchase will be an iPhone.
 
Don’t make up BS. The scores have been posted. The single core performance is about 20% behind the iPhone Pro Max and Samsung’s best tablet is around 35% slower than the iPad Pro M4.

Just because you’re anon doesn’t mean you can lie. It still looks like bad Samsung cope.

What happened to all the Qualcomm for Windows PC revolution that would compete against Apple Silicon? Oh yeah…died on the vine.
Its not BS, in other benchmarking tests the SD8 Elite gets very close Single Core scores to the A18 Pro:


3156 for the SD8 Elite and 3291 for the A18 Pro.

Also i was saying that the SD8 Elite would be an ideal chip for flagship android tablets, i was not saying the SD8 Elite is more powerful than the M4, because its not at all. Apple M chips are a different discussion, they compete with the SD X Elite chips in Windows tablets/laptops etc.
 
Most people imo do not care about this stuff. Those who care about this will argue all day long on a forum such as this.

It won’t change my mind to not buy the iPhone 17, because to me I lose the benefit of the apple ecosystem. So carry on, but my next purchase will be an iPhone.
you got that wrong - MR represents 99% of what the Apple user community wants and cares about /s
I am just kidding of course ;)

The average Apple user uses their devices for what they are intended for and they are Apple's target.
I'll stick with Apple for the overall ecosystem performance but it is good to have choices.
 
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