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Hopefully the orange colored Pro model will be released. Will be great if the telephoto lens remains at 5x and with the 48MP sensor, it should allow for 10x optical zoom like quality images. An upgrade to the front facing camera will be great.
 
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Nope. The closest to variable focal telephoto is the latest Huawei Pura 80 with a dual telephoto camera.
iPhone sadly is not very advanced or innovative, just put standard lens and sensor and customize in software. Not own camera designs since 10 years ago.
You seem confused, as nobody said anything about variable focal length telephoto. I would suggest you reread my post you quoted because the details are all right there.
 
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It seems that using the orange color might be the best solution to enhance the phone’s performance and prevent any issues.
 
New Air aside, this is shaping up to be an underwhelming release.

Which is a pity for me, because I need to buy one of them.

I was really hoping for an electronic ND filter on the camera(s), for shooting smooth 24p video.

Without that, I may as well use a standalone mirrorless camera for video (if not stills), if I have to faff about with bulky filter cases and filters on my phone anyway.

I guess Apple doesn’t want to push the regular iPhone and Pro too hard lest the Air flop on arrival.

But after the lacklustre 16 range, this seems like prolonged stagnation.

Maybe there will be enough small improvements to make it a useful if not sexy upgrade.
 
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Nobody wants Touch ID.
I much prefer Face ID and would never want to go back to Touch ID. But I’d have no problems having Touch ID if it were there as an additional security layer. So if I wanted some extra security to log into my bank, I’d have to use Face ID and a fingerprint.
 
I much prefer Face ID and would never want to go back to Touch ID. But I’d have no problems having Touch ID if it were there as an additional security layer. So if I wanted some extra security to log into my bank, I’d have to use Face ID and a fingerprint.
I prefer Touch ID on the iPhone but prefer Face ID on the iPad, and hence it is one small reason contributing to why I have an iPad Pro.
 
You’re talking about buying a phone that’s two years newer.

I would certainly hope it’s “better”.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey by listing out “everything is better”…
😂

It would actually be a little weird if you had bullet points that were things that were not better or for some reason worse!

Perhaps iOS itself will fall into that category, however.
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Those bullet points that I wrote also apply when you compare the new 17 Pro Max against the 16 Max.

What is the problem here? Are you criticizing just because the 17 will be better? You just want to criticize?
 
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The list of rumored list of "Features" includes some things that are not features, or sure hopefully won't be sold by Apple as features. Also, titanium, aluminum, steel, I find advertising a phone based on the metal used to be pretty pathetic. I know Apple and Samsung both did this with titanium, but I personally believe that was because there was so little new to say. What percentage of users care about what the materials are as long as they feel decent in the hand?
 
Bear in mind that the titanium was just a thin coating on an aluminum frame.
Wrong.

“Yes — the iPhone 16 Pro uses a Grade 5 titanium frame, which is the same high‑strength, lightweight titanium alloy Apple introduced with the iPhone 15 Pro. Apple states that this frame material is chosen for its superior strength‑to‑weight ratio and durability, making the Pro models notably lighter and more robust than comparable stainless steel designs .

To clarify: the frame is solid titanium, not just titanium-coated aluminum or some hybrid composite. While the internal structural and thermal support is made from recycled aluminum, the exterior frame itself is fully Grade 5 titanium, machined into the chassis
 
See my above post.
I see it and it sounds just as silly as before. They buy again because that’s the ecosystem they are stuck in. Not because it is so innovative and new features keep coming.

I’d put money down if batteries didn’t wear out as fast that the repeat purchase cycle would be much smaller than you glorify.
 
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And Apple has been doomed since releasing the first iPhone. I remember all of the: "Who asked for a non-mechanical keyboard on a mobile phone?" Pass...

Actually, before that with: "Who asked for a thousand songs in your pocket?" Referring to Jobs' iPod introduction.

Nobody has yet been able to articulate what "innovation" is. Other than Apple doesn't do it.
Big words with no substance. Apple pulled a lot of people in in the beginning because Apple had Steve and Jonny holding a vision. The company was very flat and organized. He kept the fat trimmed down.

Today, Apple has more misses than hits, plus their AI snafu from a year ago that we all now know to be falsified and was never even running. Those weren’t the old behaviors and Apple has become more focused on profits than products which actually grant them the former when done properly.

Please do better in your analysis of how well they are doing today other than sales numbers which is only a result of lack of alternative options and ecosystem locking their customers. It’s simple a case of Apple has become the lesser of two evils and not the innovative beacon they once were. T Cook has ensure that and hasn’t picked new people who can come in and shine. Instead they focus on lesser things.
 
... that’s the ecosystem they are stuck in.

Now how can this be? Nowadays it's pretty easy to switch, there's an app for it, and lots of cross platform apps to use if you need to. It's just a matter of willing. This goes both ways, so it doesn't matter what ecosystem you have on your phone.
 
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No. The rumour is 3.5X (native 48 MP) and 7X (48 MP cropped to 12 MP). Neither are digital interpolation.

According to Majin Bu, the iPhone 17 Pro will feature a new Telephoto lens with a 48MP sensor, up from the current 12MP sensor found in the iPhone 16 Pro and Pro Max. This rumor isn't new – in fact it's been repeatedly claimed by several other sources. However, Bu goes further by claiming that the new lens will offer 3.5x optical zoom (85mm equivalent) instead of the 5x zoom (120mm equivalent) currently available.

This focal length is generally better suited for portraits and everyday photography, since it allows users to frame shots without having to move as far away from the subject. However, the big shift allegedly comes from the new 48MP sensor, in that the extra resolution allows for digital cropping to simulate longer focal lengths, offering less quality loss than normal digital zoom.

This is similar to what Apple already does with the main Fusion camera on the iPhone 16, where the 48MP sensor enables a 2x digital crop – marketed as "Telephoto" – that still produces a 12MP image with minimal quality loss.



Telephoto Lens: New Optical Zoom
The telephoto lens of the iPhone 17 Pro is the heart of this revolution. Here’s what makes it special:
– Versatile focal length: It shifts from 120 mm (5x optical zoom) to 85 mm (3.5x), perfect for portraits and everyday shots.
– 48-megapixel sensor: Compared to the previous 12-megapixel sensors, it offers optical zoom up to 7x (160 mm) with top-quality images.
yes that was one of rumour now new rumour is that 17pro max will have 8x zoom native 48mp so yes that why I told not sure because there has been too many conflicting rumour
(old rumour was that it will retain 5x) they just keep changing
 
yes that was one of rumour now new rumour is that 17pro max will have 8x zoom native 48mp so yes that why I told not sure because there has been too many conflicting rumour
(old rumour was that it will retain 5x) they just keep changing
Except that from a camera point of view, 3.5X actually makes sense. 3.5X is generally equivalent to 85 mm, which is a very useful portrait lens focal length.

Furthermore, 3.5X / 7X telephoto cameraphone sensors already exist from Sony, Apple's long time supplier for iPhone camera sensors, although in the past they were 12 MP.
 
Big words with no substance. Apple pulled a lot of people in in the beginning because Apple had Steve and Jonny holding a vision. The company was very flat and organized. He kept the fat trimmed down.

Today, Apple has more misses than hits, plus their AI snafu from a year ago that we all now know to be falsified and was never even running. Those weren’t the old behaviors and Apple has become more focused on profits than products which actually grant them the former when done properly.

Please do better in your analysis of how well they are doing today other than sales numbers which is only a result of lack of alternative options and ecosystem locking their customers. It’s simple a case of Apple has become the lesser of two evils and not the innovative beacon they once were. T Cook has ensure that and hasn’t picked new people who can come in and shine. Instead they focus on lesser things.

You might be thinking of the previous previous CEO who developed and released Apple Power Mac G4 Cube, Apple III, Apple Lisa, Apple iPod Sox, Apple iPod HiFi, Apple Pippin, Apple Newton, Apple Macintosh TV, Apple 20th Anniversary Mac, Apple eMate, Apple Round Mouse, etc.
 
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The Air moving above the Pro would make no sense from a product segmentation perspective. If the Fold has additional features over the Pro, that makes lots of sense, since that damn thing will be at least $2,000...
Sure the Air price moving above or similar to the Pro could still make sense from a product segmentation perspective. The thin/light characteristics of the Air will make it a different product in some important ways. Some folks will pay more for thin/light and other folks will pay more for thicker with more camera competence.

A folding iPhone will be additionally interesting from a product segmentation perspective. Because it will provide the huge value add of additional screen real estate, while apparently reducing the camera competence that is so essential to many iPhone Pro users [me].

Looking back at what I wrote above, it seems that some folks will pay more for thin/light, some folks will pay more for thicker with more camera and other folks will pay more for folding and screen real estate. The common characteristic above is folks willing to pay more.
 
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Seems like people are encouraged to talk about how the new phones are underwhelming, but discouraged from thinking that the new phones are better. Let the guy be excited about his new phone.
Indeed. Each year the new phones are better. Each individual simply decides whether or not the cost, etc. of a new phone is worth it to that particular individual. It seems that there are quite a few posters here who want to dis any new phone that they have personally chosen not to purchase. Go figure.
 
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I don’t understand why some people are so worked up over Apple dropping titanium. Did you really expect Apple to be chained to the use of titanium in their phones forever? Yeah, maybe Apple made the mistake of promoting the titanium in some of their ads too heavily, but Apple sometimes does that. We see how well their AI advertising campaign worked out last year. Even with titanium, the 16 Pro was pushing close to 200g. My stainless steel 14 Pro is 206g for reference. Apple had to turn to something lighter like aluminum with the addition of an extra component like the vapor chamber and who knows what else being added to the 17 Pro/17 Pro Max.
Fully agreed, except for the idea of "something lighter like aluminum." The material science design of an iPhone is very complex, and titanium alloys are often used to overall lighten products like iPhones and high performance airplanes.
 
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