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Also, why would they release a 32GB iPhone, if you want that big you buy an iPod touch, not an iPhone. Cannibalization doesn't make sense. 16GB is plenty for a PHONE.

Why release a 16GB iPhone, there's a 16GB iPod touch! Why release an 8GB iPhone, there's an 8GB iPod touch! Oh, dear. No more iPhone...

You're quite naïve, aren't you? With the 32GB iPhone comes the 64GB iPod touch. There would not be any more cannibalization than there is now.

There's a famous quote: 640k ought to be enough for anyone.

16GB will NEVER be enough.
 
I have seen someone's explanation for this already and I figure it might duty to shut this rumor down. Storage upgrade is not feasible as a 32GB NAND drive is not available and/or feasible for the iPhone in its current form factor. Also, why would they release a 32GB iPhone, if you want that big you buy an iPod touch, not an iPhone. Cannibalization doesn't make sense. 16GB is plenty for a PHONE. Look at the G1 and other comparable phones, they can't even get to 16GB, so no 32 GB in January. Software update (BIG) and new product, and NO Snow Leopard, too early and not right event.

The other phones might not be able to get to 16GB BUT with removable storage they can swap out cards whether it be for music/pictures/presentations and access them on a computer, any computer not just the ones with itunes.
 
Look at the G1 and other comparable phones, they can't even get to 16GB, so no 32 GB in January..

BB Bold - up to 16GB
HTC tilt - up to 32GB
LG insite - up to 32GB
Moto Q9c - up to 32GB
HTC Fuze - up to 32GB

and thats just on at&t!!


although i dont believe it will be january either. june/july all the way!
 
BB Bold - up to 16GB
HTC tilt - up to 32GB
LG insite - up to 32GB
Moto Q9c - up to 32GB
HTC Fuze - up to 32GB

and thats just on at&t!!


although i dont believe it will be january either. june/july all the way!

I stand corrected.. I apologize for being so arrogant, but do you all see them updating to 32GB if the new one is getting announced in March or April? Wouldn't it make more sense to drop the price to $99 for 8GB and $199 for 16GB and clear inventory for a 32GB iPhone 3G 2... (weird name)
 
I stand corrected.. I apologize for being so arrogant, but do you all see them updating to 32GB if the new one is getting announced in March or April? Wouldn't it make more sense to drop the price to $99 for 8GB and $199 for 16GB and clear inventory for a 32GB iPhone 3G 2... (weird name)

not arrogant, just my job to know the phones we carry (no matter how lame they may be!!!)

it is possible, but they made the jump to the 16GB on the first gen only a few months after its release.

$99 8GB.... ahhhh those would fly out the door!! would be nice! :D
 
No 32GB iPhone because the ram is insufficient to support a storage upgrade (plus 32GB won't fit currently), and Apple will not want to compromise iPod sales (especially considering they don't make nearly as much money from the subsidized iPhones as they do iPods). 8GB and 16GB remain the standard until Apple revamps the iPhone in a couple of years at the earliest.
 
Yo, there's a new Update : http://dailyapplereview.net84.net/?p=252

and if what they say is true, then there would possibly be a flash app, making iPhone emperor of the phones!

For those who can't read between the lines (including the article's author), processor heavy = battery heavy. It's not that the iPhone's processor is unable to handle Flash, but that it would just drain the battery too much. Unless Apple develops a more powerful battery (which is unlikely in the near future - another reason there won't be a new iPhone in January), all the processor power in the world is effectively useless.
 
If anything they might update to firmware 2.3 then comeout with a new phone. But I think it will stay 16gb till 2010.
 
8GB and 16GB remain the standard until Apple revamps the iPhone in a couple of years at the earliest.

You seriously think 8 and 16 GB iPhone 3G's are going to be the standard for a couple years?

Dumbest thing I've read this week.
 
You seriously think 8 and 16 GB iPhone 3G's are going to be the standard for a couple years?

Dumbest thing I've read this week.

Of course it would be - since you can't think for yourself apparently.

Of course it will remain Apple's standard for the next year. There is no justifiable reason to update the hardware. They're not going to make a new iPhone, (i.e. iPhone 3), this year, and probably not next year (2010) either. If they do release one it'll probably be in first quarter 2011. Do you want to know why?

First off, 32GB storage is currently in a form that won't fit the iPhone - refer to the many threads about it already (I'm not saying it that won't change, but it won't by January). It's on the horizon, but it's not on the immediate horizon. It's like a lot of things in the tech world, it'll get there no question, but will it get there in the next 3 months? Probably not. And even if it did, there are numerous other reasons why the iPhone won't immediately get an update. Read on if you care to learn:

This is probably the biggest reason Apple won't update (but please read the rest of the reasons): there is no reason for Apple to spend the money it would cost to refresh the iPhone now, because hardware limitations aren't affecting the iPhone's sales. I say again: hardware limitations aren't affecting sales. Everything people want - except for a physical keyboard - which will NEVER happen, because its counter evolutionary - can be (and has been) added by firmware updates. Everything. MMS, copy and paste, push notifications, everything that people bitch about on a daily basis can be (and presumably will be) added by simply updating the firmware. Things people want like a better camera are not significantly denting iPhone sales to the point that Apple would consider adding a new one. They didn't add a keyboard to the 3G to accommodate those who wanted a keyboard, why would they accommodate people now? They've found their market, they're selling great, and they've established themselves as a driving force. What have they done wrong (in terms of poor sales) that necessitates an update?

More importantly, unlike the iPhone 3G update (from the original iPhone), there's no definitive necessity to release a new phone. The reason the 3G came out was because Apple wanted to go global, hence the 3G carrier support, which is the global standard. Besides 3G, the original iPhone is more or less exactly the same. If the current iPhone had 3G support, then there would have been no reason to update it. Think. The original iPhone has the exact same firmware, and guess what, it has the exact same features. Golly! What a coincidence!

And, most iPhone owners don't seem to get this. Apple is a computer company, which means they have other things to worry about now. They just released the 3G worldwide (half a year isn't that long in terms of the costs involved), and they're still releasing it in countries right now. Sales are fantastic, better than they expected. They've remained competitive by updating the firmware and adding the latest features (i.e. Google street view), and chances are they're going to continue to add new features because there is a laundry list of things the iPhone should do that other phones currently do. But, they've got other committments. Their Mac line is due for a major overhaul. Moreover, they're working on Snow Leopard right now, and they just released their new notebook line - so you can bet that is where their advertising money is going for the next while (plus the Mac and Snow Leopard when those come out). Combined, those things far outweigh any reason to create a new iPhone (for, as I will continue to explain, no reason whatsoever).

Besides a 32GB model (which for hardware reasons won't happen now - i.e. by January), there is no reason to update the iPhone, and if you'd simply think for say, ten minutes, you'd realize why they won't update the iPhone this year. Apple isn't planning to make a line of phones - they planned to make one phone (the phone to end all phones), and unless they're going to be able to make significant hardware improvements (a new network, a better battery, a better processor/ram combo), and that those hardware updates are going to significantly improve their sales (not likely right now), there is no, I repeat, no reason to update the iPhone.

Perhaps a final reason is the most obvious. Apple would be smart to wait until the market settles. Google just dropped the G1, BlackBerry is taking their product line in some interesting directions, and Windows Mobile is still out there (and maybe it will be updated, who knows). The point is, since Apple has yet to be challenged in the market (in terms of there being a more cutting edge, and more appealing phone), it would be stupid to update the phone now. They know this, and they're going to let the market settle down, see what people want. I suspect they're going to probably wait until the first wave of 3G adopters contracts expire as well. If they release a new phone now, by the time people are out of their contract they'll have a lot of options. But if Apple releases a brand new iPhone as the early adopters 3 year contracts expire, chances are high that people will upgrade to the new phone, and Apple can retain its market share (assuming they like what they see).

I hadn't planned on spelling it out for you, but I guess since my post was the dumbest thing you read all week (presumably the only thing you've ever read about the iPhone in any capacity), I guess I have no choice.
 
You have already wasted your breath in another thread on the very same topic. I told you how no-brainer it is that a new version is coming next summer, you told me how no-brainer it is that one isn't. I think the great majority of people would agree that it will not be a couple years before a new iPhone comes out, so like I said before, I look forward to telling you "I told you so."
 
You seriously think 8 and 16 GB iPhone 3G's are going to be the standard for a couple years?

Dumbest thing I've read this week.

+1, it only makes sense that Apple will upgrade the memory. Most likely we'll see a day where iPhones outsell iPod touches, but until that day, they need to increase memory every time they can.
 
Everything people want - except for a physical keyboard - which will NEVER happen, because its counter evolutionary - can be (and has been) added by firmware updates. Everything. MMS, copy and paste, push notifications, everything that people bitch about on a daily basis can be (and presumably will be) added by simply updating the firmware.

So Apple can get the iPhone to work on Verizon by updating the firmware? THAT'S where the battery life is going! There's a CDMA chip in there that is always on!

Just thought I'd throw that out there before going on to say that your entire post is pointless. People were still buying the plastic MacBook and G4-style MacBook Pro the day before the update. Hardware "limitations" weren't affecting their sales. And Apple still updated.

That bit about thinking for ten seconds they'll update this year? I know they won't. They released a statement saying that the current hardware lineup is the holiday lineup. So they'll do the capacity bump at MacWorld in January if they do one.

Stop and think for a moment; you've had seven years to see this. Apple updates the iPod every year. Sometimes new hardware, sometimes just capacity. It's the same with the iPhone, and that's all that I really have to say. They're following the same strategy that got them 90% of the MP3 player marketshare.
 
I hadn't planned on spelling it out for you, but I guess since my post was the dumbest thing you read all week (presumably the only thing you've ever read about the iPhone in any capacity), I guess I have no choice.

Yeah, dude. Now you've created the dumbest thing I've read all month on this board. Care to try for a year?

Oo, and please. Do not come back with another 4 paragraph response of non-sense. Your "spelling it out for us" is so rife with half-truths and bias, it almost gave me juvenile diabetes.
 
Why Apple will update the iPhone at least once in 2009

There is no justifiable reason to update the hardware. They're not going to make a new iPhone, (i.e. iPhone 3), this year, and probably not next year (2010) either. If they do release one it'll probably be in first quarter 2011.

Um, here's a justifiable reason: The market and consumers demand a new one. Also, Apple can sell a new phone to people have current phones and win others over with a new phone. If you knew how businesses, and more importantly, technology companies, operated, you'd realize that there is no way they aren't going to update the phone and touch in this coming year. Look at the past years of ipod nanos and ipods, no real need to update, but they did. Also, do you really think that Steve Jobs would set this up so he couldn't update the phone every year? Trust me, he's got something up his sleeve.

First off, 32GB storage is currently in a form that won't fit the iPhone - refer to the many threads about it already (I'm not saying it that won't change, but it won't by January).

See attached article --> https://www.macrumors.com/2008/12/01/macworld-san-francisco-2009-registration-new-macs-32gb-iphones/

Specifically this section:

arn said:
The reason the largest iPhone (16GB) currently has 1/2 the memory of the largest iPod touch (32GB) is that the iPhone can only house a single NAND Flash chip while the iPod touch can accommodate two. The additional space in the iPhone is taken up by its communication hardware. In August, Toshiba announced that they would begin mass production of higher density 32GB chips in the 4th quarter of 2008. These chips could presumably be used in future iPhone and iPod touch models. Another intriguing announcement came from Intel who has developed Flash chips that could increase this maximum to 64GB by early 2009.

Everything people want ... can be (and has been) added by firmware updates. Everything. MMS, copy and paste, push notifications...

What about: Upgraded camera (I know you said this isn't a big deal, but if the camera is available they will add it), 3.5G speeds (upgraded through new chip), video chat capability/video ecording capability (this could be done through a front facing camera or Apple's new technology they've been working on), and any other new piece of hardware that Apple can invent and convince people they need to have, so they get rid of their original iPhone or iPhone 3G (I know I will).

More importantly, unlike the iPhone 3G update (from the original iPhone), there's no definitive necessity to release a new phone.

No definitive necessity to release a new phone? Why don't you ask AT&T and Apple that? How about the millions of iPhone 2G owners whose 2-year contracts are dwindling down and who are chomping at the bit for the newest, latest and greatest phone? Now, you might say "they can just get the iPhone 3G, but it makes no sense for Apple not to make a new phone that will make these owners easily pull the trigger, instead of waiting for the next one to come out.

Besides 3G, the original iPhone is more or less exactly the same. If the current iPhone had 3G support, then there would have been no reason to update it.

Ummm..... GPS? I would say this is the most valuable and important update that differentiates the 3G from the 2G. As apps continue to develop, I think we'll see the difference grow.

And, most iPhone owners don't seem to get this. Apple is a computer company, which means they have other things to worry about now.

I would argue this is the exact reason why they will update the iPhone hardware in the coming year. The iPod played a key role in raising mac market share since its launch in 2001. Some estimates show the mac market share growing from about 5.1% in 2001 to around ____% in 2008. With the introduction and evolution of the iPhone, I see this market share only growing. The iPhone softens the transition stage of switching to mac. Just like the iPod, the iPhone is Windows-friendly, so someone can use it with their PC, but it shows them how innovative and simple it is to use an Apple product. This helps to persuade a PC user to potentially switch over to Mac when they are thinking of purchasing a new computer. It would be disastrous to Mac market share and Apple, if they were to take the foot off the gas pedal now or in the coming years for that matter.

unless they're going to be able to make significant hardware improvements (a new network, a better battery, a better processor/ram combo)

Those all sound great and valid reasons to upgrade the phone actually (A new network = 3.5G speeds, a better battery = definitely possible, a better processor/ram combo = Can you say PA Semi?).

They know this, and they're going to let the market settle down, see what people want.

Your rationale for why Apple will wait is to let the market catch up?!?!

But if Apple releases a brand new iPhone as the early adopters 3 year contracts expire...

3 year contracts? Where are these? Here in the US (where the overwhelming majority of current iPhone 2G owners are) there are 2-year contracts, which for early-adopters will expire starting on June 29th, with hundreds of thousands expiring in the following months. Explain to me why they wouldn't have a new phone out before or on June 29th, 2009?
 
Wow! Some great reading this morning guys!

Thanks, I havnt got **** done at work for the past 30 minutes! :D

Oh and I'm gonna go with what that other guy said above and hope I get to tell you "told ya so" as well. No hard feelings, I just hope were right and you're wrong milani or whatever your name is, sorry.

Peace.
 
Also, as a rationale for at least a memory-capacity upgrade (to 32gb) alone, you can look to what has made Apple an awful lot of money. Downloads, specifically music/movies from iTunes and Apps from the App Store. If you provide your average consumer with the ability to store even more iTunes and App Store content on their phones, then they will do so! A memory upgrade is the sole reason that I've held off on buying a 3G. Now, with well over 100GB of music alone, I know that it will be a very long time before an iPhone can hold my entire collection. I don't even want that option due to the sorting issues it will cause. However, I'd sure appreciate the ability to have say 25gb for my tunes, with the rest set aside for apps, vids, pics, etc. Apply that same proportion to the current 16gb model, and I'd have to limit myself to say 10gb (at the most) for music.

So, to distill, providing more memory means providing the chance to spend more $$ with Apple. And that is what business really comes down to. Profit.
 
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