iPhone 3G Generation 2 Coming?

[themoonisdown09]

I think if anything, they will at least upgrade the storage capacity in the iPhone sometime in 2009. I can agree that they might not come out with a new form factor or camera in 2009, but they will make minor updates like they do with the iPods.

 

[RTiii320]

...my 2 cents: 32GB in '09 perhaps larger by the end of 09. New form factor wouldnt expect untill 2010

 

[iAtot]

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for some reason 3g network dont work on o2 you can only see it on after a reboot.. i dont know why...

 

[The Phazer]

I agree with the OP. I think it's absolutely unquestionable that we'll get a new model in the summer (and every summer for the forseeable).

If nothing else Apple requires this for pictures of the launch with big queues to build up press hype.

I doubt we'll be waiting past February for a capacity bump.

Phazer

 

[Luke1robb]

...my 2 cents: 32GB in '09 perhaps larger by the end of 09. New form factor wouldnt expect untill 2010

I don't think there will be a new form factor possibly ever for the iPhone. Now the internals on the other hand is a whole different story. I think Apple hit a grand slam with the form factor and anything bigger would be too big (for your pocket/hand) and anything smaller would make the phone less capable (see: LG Voyager). Now the updates that can happen internally and with software based hardware (see: patent for tactile response) would be improvements that might not change the form factor, but make the new phone something completely different than the 3G or 2G. Agree? Disagree?

 

[milani]

Whatever, I guess logic doesn't bode well around these parts 🙄. When you guys have anything other than speculation I'll be inclined to listen. Cheers!

 

[Indy21]

Also, as a rationale for at least a memory-capacity upgrade (to 32gb) alone, you can look to what has made Apple an awful lot of money. Downloads, specifically music/movies from iTunes and Apps from the App Store. If you provide your average consumer with the ability to store even more iTunes and App Store content on their phones, then they will do so! A memory upgrade is the sole reason that I've held off on buying a 3G. Now, with well over 100GB of music alone, I know that it will be a very long time before an iPhone can hold my entire collection. I don't even want that option due to the sorting issues it will cause. However, I'd sure appreciate the ability to have say 25gb for my tunes, with the rest set aside for apps, vids, pics, etc. Apply that same proportion to the current 16gb model, and I'd have to limit myself to say 10gb (at the most) for music.

So, to distill, providing more memory means providing the chance to spend more $$ with Apple. And that is what business really comes down to. Profit.

You do make a very good point.
I say just wait until summer and go ahead and slip that 64gb's in there if that's the case.

Btw, what do you think apple is going to do, if anything, about this 9 page limit for app widgets? Maybe they could make it into a grid style, ya know, have about 3 or 4 rows where you can swipe up/down, left/right.

 

[cellocello]

Btw, what do you think apple is going to do, if anything, about this 9 page limit for app widgets? Maybe they could make it into a grid style, ya know, have about 3 or 4 rows where you can swipe up/down, left/right.

Honestly, I don't think Apple's going to do anything about that.

I mean ... people have 100 gig music collections and yet they manage with 16 gig iPhones, right? I imagine that official line will be - "Keep your apps on your computer, and put them on the iPhone as needed."

And honestly ... Someone would need to get a REALLY convincing argument together that they *require* 140 separate apps day to day, everyday.

 

[Indy21]

And honestly ... Someone would need to get a REALLY convincing argument together that they *require* 140 separate apps day to day, everyday.

Haha, good point I guess unless you don't want to have to sync everyday. 😀

 

[Luke1robb]

You do make a very good point.
I say just wait until summer and go ahead and slip that 64gb's in there if that's the case.

Btw, what do you think apple is going to do, if anything, about this 9 page limit for app widgets? Maybe they could make it into a grid style, ya know, have about 3 or 4 rows where you can swipe up/down, left/right.

I think you're getting at something here... I think you should be able to scroll up and down on each page. Still swipe through the pages, but be able to have 2 pages long on each page.

 

[Indy21]

I think you're getting at something here... I think you should be able to scroll up and down on each page. Still swipe through the pages, but be able to have 2 pages long on each page.

Hey, I don't see why not ya know?

Instead of it showing you how many pages you have like this

. . . . . . . . .

It would look like this

: : : : : : : : :

😀

Oh and has anyone read this little prediction?

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/10/10/tipb-predicts-iphone-hd-in-2009/

Yea its a little old but still sounds cool. "iPhone HD" kinda rolls off the tounge nice and smooth. 😉

 

[Luke1robb]

Hey, I don't see why not ya know?

Instead of it showing you how many pages you have like this

. . . . . . . . .

It would look like this

: : : : : : : : :

😀

Oh and has anyone read this little prediction?

http://www.theiphoneblog.com/2008/10/10/tipb-predicts-iphone-hd-in-2009/

Yea its a little old but still sounds cool. "iPhone HD" kinda rolls off the tounge nice and smooth. 😉

This doesn't sound that bad, but I don't know about the HD thing... but definitely something that has to do with a new feature or capability.... Then again they could just call it the iPhone 3rd Generation. By the time it comes out, I think it will be known that iPhones come with 3G, so there's no need to differentiate to explain that, maybe just being like this is the latest and greatest.

 

[JamilD]

NO. Not HD. Definitely not. It's un-apple-like.

not going to happen.

 

[Tallest Skil]

NO. Not HD. Definitely not. It's un-apple-like.

not going to happen.

*ahem*

Apple Cinema HD Display.

 

[adamerr]

*ahem*

Apple Cinema HD Display.

cant miss an oppurtunity such as this to be immature;

THATS WHAT SHE SAID 🙂

on a more relevant note, I doubt apple would ever have a mobile phone with HD in it, its too cliche.
correct me if im wrong.

 

[The Phazer]

My personal suspicion is that any new model's most obvious immediate physical change will be a much better camera, so the name will probably revolve around that.

The iPhone Click, iPhone Shoot, iPhone View... something like that.

Phazer

 

[cellocello]

I think the next big change in the iPhone (other than capacity) is going to be HD.

That one HTC HD unit has a pretty killer screen - iPhone's safari could make good use of that screen real estate.

 

[JamilD]

I think 320x480 is the best screen size. Too much becomes really small and bad.

 

[JamilD]

*sighs*
http://dailyapplereview.net84.net/?p=264

When will they stop.

 

[Luke1robb]

*sighs*
http://dailyapplereview.net84.net/?p=264

When will they stop.

Not actually rediculous to imagine if the BGR story holds true. If Walmart is gonna sell a 4GB iphone for $99, whose to say the next won't start at 8GB ($99), then go 16GB ($199), and then 32 GB ($299)?

 

[Indy21]

*sighs*
http://dailyapplereview.net84.net/?p=264

When will they stop.

LoL, wimax?!

Who's behind this madness?!

😛

 

[tdar]

Whatever, I guess logic doesn't bode well around these parts 🙄. When you guys have anything other than speculation I'll be inclined to listen. Cheers!

I'd like to add some support to your theory. There is one small 3 letter thing that those who argue we here in the US will see a new iPhone every year seem to miss….ATT.
ATT has spent upwards of $200 for each of you who have an Iphone3G to bring the cost of your phone down to $199/$299. They are getting the crap beat out of them by their shareholders for doing this. Do you think they are going to allow you to upgrade every year at their expense?

The only reason you were allowed to upgrade from the original iPhone to the 3G was that you paid full price for the original. Not so any more.

With this in mind I’d suggest that the date for the major update needing to be available is not June 2009 but June 2010…..That’s when 3G buyers will need an update – if you bought a original iPhone and are coming up for renewal there is already an upgrade for you…iPhone 3G

A strategy that takes this into account would play out like this:

Introduction of the iPhone at Wal-Mart –Truly making the iPhone mass market
A 32GB version of the current iPhone at MWSF 2009
Software updates throughout the year for all iPhones
The new iPhone 4G (LTE) at MWSF 2010 launching June 2010 (US Carriers, ATT -AND -Verizon)

This is a plan that makes BUSINESS sense as it allows for Apple and ATT to recoup their investments and make a profit from these products and services- (the point of them doing this after all)
It allows Apple to bring Multi carrier support to the US- like already exists in many other markets.
It allows Apple to complete their contract with ATT while keeping capital costs minimized for BOTH companies and Apple to add the US‘s largest Wireless provider to the mix for the next gen phone at minimal cost. (ATT will be using the same system)

I know that many here would love to see yearly updates as we see with Mac’s and other products. But the Cell industry is not about one year cycles…It’s about 2 year cycles.

 

[milani]

^ Cheers! Another very valid point.

 

[Indy21]

That makes sense and I could see that happening unless your just another verizon fanboy.......and then I could still see it happening. 😀

 

[Eso]

ATT has spent upwards of $200 for each of you who have an Iphone3G to bring the cost of your phone down to $199/$299. They are getting the crap beat out of them by their shareholders for doing this. Do you think they are going to allow you to upgrade every year at their expense?

You make it sound like the $200 iPhone subsidy is some revolutionary thing, when in fact AT&T subsidies are not unique to the iPhone. Before the iPhone even came out I signed up with with them and got a free Motorola Razr with a two-year contract - a $200 dollar value. Carriers have been doing it for years. Their shares aren't "getting the crap beat out of them" because of it. The entire stock market has crashed. Case in point: compare the 52-week high and current stock price for Verizon and AT&T. Verizon is $45.70/$33.16. AT&T is $42.79/$28.53. They are 77.56% and 66.67% off from their highs, respectively. It's an 8% differential, which is not statistically significant with respect to the volatility of the stock market in a 52-week period (in other words, stocks often fluctuate by 8% in a matter of days). The point is that they are hardly preforming any worse than Verizon, making the effect of iPhone subsidies negligible. Subsidies come with short term loss which are offset by long term gains. AT&T knew full well that they were going to lose some profits in the short term by signing millions of new iPhone contracts.

The fact is, they WILL let iPhone customers upgrade every year as long as they meet AT&T's Upgrade Eligibility Requirements. They will do it because the iPhone subsidy is no different than for any other phone. Anyone paying $99+ per month for a single line can upgrade every 12 months. That is easily achieved with at least 900 minutes per month, the required data plan, and unlimited texting.

This is a plan that makes BUSINESS sense as it allows for Apple and ATT to recoup their investments and make a profit from these products and services- (the point of them doing this after all)

The current agreement already makes "business sense" and is in no way affected by any products or services that will be available in the future (namely a new iPhone). Apple does not have to "recoup their investments" to make a profit. iPhone sales accounted for over %40 of their total profits in the third quarter according to their earnings report. AT&T effectively "recouped" their investment (the subsidy) the moment you signed your contract, which guarantees it. Why do you think AT&T allows subsidized upgrades every 12 months with an expensive plan? Because they obviously have "recouped" their subsidy within that time X number of times over, and a new contract means they get to guarantee the same return for another year. You make it sound like AT&T would magically not make a profit if a new iPhone is released. All a new iPhone means to AT&T is the potential for even more new customers and a great incentive to keep many current customers for another 2 years on contract.