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Galaxy S2 totally it is better than iPhone 4S. All the "new" issues on iphone 4s are already on GSII.

I will buy the iPhone 5 totally because it will redisign completely. for now give a shot to Android and Samsung.

next year welcome iphone for sure
 
The Galaxy S2 reminds me of something from the 1980's for some odd reason. Android...old and busted. iPhone...new hotness.

Is not Android actually younger than iOS? You must have gotten it wrong.

Larger phone and 4G/LTE = worse battery life and reduced "pocketability" for me - YMMV

Since I am a Mac and iPad owner, the Apple integration via MobileMe and now iCloud are really a compelling reason to stay in the Apple family regardless of other spec differences.

Also agree that the perceived build quality/materials on iPhones is a big step above most other smartphones, similar to the Macbook Pro/Air compared to your normal plastic Windows laptop from anyone else.

Do you really believe that glass case is better than the plastic ones? Besides Galaxy SII has Gorilla glass v who knows what in iPhone.
 
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I was really going to go with the SG2, was battling over getting it or waiting for the iPhone. Glad I chose the iPhone. I never got the 4 (still have the 3GS) so the upgrade will be a welcomed change. The 8MP camera/HD video was the main selling pitch.
 
No question the Galaxy S II is the better phone.

The iPhone4S is shameful from Apple, it is just a re-released exact iPhone4 16 months later with same screen...same thickness...same 512mb RAM...iOS5 stealing features that Android has had for years...no 4G...no LED Notification...

I am shocked this is what Apple came out with after an extra 16 months.
 
No question the Galaxy S II is the better phone.

The iPhone4S is shameful from Apple, it is just a re-released exact iPhone4 16 months later with same screen...same thickness...same 512mb RAM...iOS5 stealing features that Android has had for years...no 4G...no LED Notification...

I am shocked this is what Apple came out with after an extra 16 months.
True that. Especially with new Nexus Prime that's coming out soon, I have no freaking clue why anyone would still buy the inferior phone over Galaxy S2 or Nexus Prime as a matter of fact.
I guess fanboys are just stubborn creatures.
 
Do you really believe that glass case is better than the plastic ones? Besides Galaxy SII has Gorilla glass v who knows what in iPhone.

I didn't say it was "better", just that it feels a lot more substantial and high-end. I suppose one could argue that cheap plastic laptops are better than a Macbook unibody aluminum because the plastic will flex instead of the aluminum denting, but they still feel like cheap POS's compared to a unibody Macbook.

I was offering my reasons for sticking with iPhone, not trying to start up a flame war with a "my phone can beat up your phone" thing.

I don't care which is "better" or which has more impressive specs, I just know what I like and what works for me the way I use it. Obviously, the OP might not feel the same way due to any number of reasons, but it all comes down to personal preference based on your own needs, not some absolute comparative analysis on which phone is superior.

One man's trash is another man's treasure ...
 
No question the Galaxy S II is the better phone.

The iPhone4S is shameful from Apple, it is just a re-released exact iPhone4 16 months later with same screen...same thickness...same 512mb RAM...iOS5 stealing features that Android has had for years...no 4G...no LED Notification...

I am shocked this is what Apple came out with after an extra 16 months.

Is the RAM actually known now or are you speculating?

There is a new much faster processor, same in the iPad 2 that blows away my iPad 1.

Also I don't know about the camera for the S2 but I'm thinking the 4S camera images might look better... I haven't been too impressed by my EVO's pics. Not that it's any comparison.

Do you also complain when a new Mac comes out with just a minor speed bump?

I probably will end up with a off contract S2... but your attitude really rubs me the wrong way. You act like Apple owes you something... They don't. They are free to update as little as possible as they see fit. I for one am glad they released it with the new innards, think of it this way. They could have given us NO new iPhone this year.
 
Is the RAM actually known now or are you speculating?

There is a new much faster processor, same in the iPad 2 that blows away my iPad 1.

Also I don't know about the camera for the S2 but I'm thinking the 4S camera images might look better... I haven't been too impressed by my EVO's pics.

Do you also complain when a new Mac comes out with just a minor speed bump?

I probably will end up with a off contract S2... but your attitude really rubs me the wrong way. You act like Apple owes you something... They don't. They are free to update as little as possible as they see fit. I for one am glad they release it with the new innards, think of it this way. They could have given us NO new iPhone this year.

Here's a SGS2 pic.

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Here's a SGS2 pic.

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Looks good... But how about low light pics?

The 2.4 f-stop on the new iPhone has me pretty impressed though i heard the evo 3d has that too...

The only way to be sure which looks better would be exact same photos under the same conditions.

Either way... I will probably get the S2 and wait for the iPhone 5. Can't live without my 4g/surf while I talk feature.
 
Here's the breakdown for ya:

If you are new to iPhone and never owned an iDevice, the SG2 is definitely attractive. The screen is very colorful - very saturated colors compared to the iPhone 4 screen. The screen is larger but somehow, for me personally, I don't see it as that big of a deal really. The resolution is a lot better on the iPhone 4, however but definitely smaller but also SHARPER.

The overall feel of the SG2 is fluid - but there are stuttering here and there. There's also a "clear memory" button in one of the many confusing navigation screens. that's the problem with Android, it's still not polished enough compared to iOS.

The web browser is fast but seriously, it's about the same as an iPhone 4. Nothing spectacular. Inside the web browser, the scrolling speed is definitely faster but very annoying because you have to scroll slow or don't slide your finger too quickly or else it pages down exponentially. And the stock browser is nothing great. That's the same with the entire android interface, it's very bland. But that means you can customize it.

Overall, I would see someone who has never owned an iOS device to jump on that phone in an instant - especially the price is very good $199 2/year contract. But if you want to have tons of accessories, speakers, and car compatibility, you wouldn't want to miss out on the iPhone 4. The 4S model is even gonna be sweeter. After coming back to my iPhone 4, I would not ever want to trade in for any android - just because it really does lack the smoothness and overall polish of iOS.

Argue what you will but that stupid clock and date/weather widgets or whatever is quite useless. 60% of the real estate is plastered with the clock and weather/date.
 
Well I came up with an awesome plan that I was going to go with since nobody can agree as "to each their own" is the case here.

What I tried to do was go to AT&T and add a new line so that I can get the Galaxy S2 for $199 and use it until the iPhone 4S is available, at which point I would return the S2 and pay the $35 fee and purchase the 4S for either $199 or $299, depending on which one I chose.

Much to my dismay, I was unable to add a line because, even though I'm an Authorized User, I can't make that monumental of a change without the account holder (my mom) actually being present, who I know will be completely against the idea.

Bull I tell you, bull.
 
Well I came up with an awesome plan that I was going to go with since nobody can agree as "to each their own" is the case here.

What I tried to do was go to AT&T and add a new line so that I can get the Galaxy S2 for $199 and use it until the iPhone 4S is available, at which point I would return the S2 and pay the $35 fee and purchase the 4S for either $199 or $299, depending on which one I chose.

Much to my dismay, I was unable to add a line because, even though I'm an Authorized User, I can't make that monumental of a change without the account holder (my mom) actually being present, who I know will be completely against the idea.

Bull I tell you, bull.

Why would you do all of that to have a phone for one week?

There's the reason you're on a family plan under your mom.
 
Why would you do all of that to have a phone for one week?

There's the reason you're on a family plan under your mom.

Who said I would have it for a week? I might wait almost all 30 days for all you know.

And yes there is a reason I'm on a family plan under my mom -- I can't afford a full bill.
 
Galaxy S II vs iPhone 4S

I was either going to get a Galaxy S II or the iPhone 4S but the deal-breaker for me was that the GSII Android phone isn't as smooth and reliable, camera quality isn't as good, does not offer white GSII for AT&T, through my experience with Android worse battery, and no Siri. Sure there was no redesign, HSPA+, upgraded front cam but in fact we did get a new iPhone. The iPhone 4S wins in my opinion because the app store, camera quality, Siri, retina display, smoothness/reliability, iPod, and ease of multimedia synchronization.
 
For me, the only reasons I'd get the 4S is the CPU, GPU & Siri. Everything else is pretty much the same or can be found on another phone (like the S2)
 
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True that. Especially with new Nexus Prime that's coming out soon, I have no freaking clue why anyone would still buy the inferior phone over Galaxy S2 or Nexus Prime as a matter of fact.
I guess fanboys are just stubborn creatures.
Well one reason people don't want the nexus prime is that its a massive 4.65".

Has anyone seen actual pictures produced by the iphone? Because last I heard, the images shown at the event weren't legit.
 
Very important especially for USA users.

Samsung has a horrible track record of providing timely Android updates.

Samsung Behold 2 owners a 2.0 Android update that never arrived.

Samsung released the galaxy s devices in June-September 2010 last year in the USA with android 2.1 Eclair.

Let's just say Google released Froyo 2.2 in mid May. Motorola and HTC has updated their flagship Android phones to Froyo by August-early September 2010.

Guess when Samsung finally released Froyo for their galaxy S in the USA? Try end of Jan-March 2011. 7-8 months after their releases.

So be very careful if you buy a USA galaxy S2 gingerbread 2.3.4.

Ice cream android 4.0 is coming next month. Most likely you won't get ice cream sandwich which fully utilizes the duo core processors. Samsung most likely won't give you ice cream sandwich until Spring 2012. By that time the S3 will be out in Europe and Samsung will provide very little updates to your USA S2.

I don't kmow why Samsung doesn't take care of their USA customers with timely updates. Looks like they focus theirn efforts in Europe and Asia. I think Europe and Asia galaxy S original phones all got gingerbread 2.3 updates in April-June 2011. Canada just received theirs.

To date none of the galaxy S phones in the USA have gingerbread. And gingerbread has been out close to 11 months. It's unacceptable to provide this type of software support to USA customers
 
Well one reason people don't want the nexus prime is that its a massive 4.65".

Has anyone seen actual pictures produced by the iphone? Because last I heard, the images shown at the event weren't legit.

It's my understanding that they never really are. I actually wouldn't mind the massive (Galaxy) Nexus Prime screen. One of the things I hate about the 4S is that it has the same small screen as the 4. On the bright side, at least the 4 made the jump in resolution so that it's more readable.
 
The iPhone 4S has:

-better OS real-word performance
-better graphics for games and apps
-better touch input recognition
-better camera
-64GB option
-higher-end materials for the casing
-better resolution and pixel density
-better battery life
-Siri and iCloud
-more apps and less compatibility/fragmentation issues with them
-easy OS upgrading (iOS6 anyone?)
-better resale value
-better for music organizing and listening
-more accessories, cases, docks, etc.

The Galaxy S2 has:
-bigger screen
-higher HSPA+ theoretical data speed
-more OS customization without jailbraking
-unrestricted apps
-flash

I would definitely pick the 4S. If you're sold to Android though I would wait a bit, at least until the Galaxy Nexus announcement.
 
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Very important especially for USA users.

Samsung has a horrible track record of providing timely Android updates.

Samsung Behold 2 owners a 2.0 Android update that never arrived.

Samsung released the galaxy s devices in June-September 2010 last year in the USA with android 2.1 Eclair.

Let's just say Google released Froyo 2.2 in mid May. Motorola and HTC has updated their flagship Android phones to Froyo by August-early September 2010.

Guess when Samsung finally released Froyo for their galaxy S in the USA? Try end of Jan-March 2011. 7-8 months after their releases.

So be very careful if you buy a USA galaxy S2 gingerbread 2.3.4.

Ice cream android 4.0 is coming next month. Most likely you won't get ice cream sandwich which fully utilizes the duo core processors. Samsung most likely won't give you ice cream sandwich until Spring 2012. By that time the S3 will be out in Europe and Samsung will provide very little updates to your USA S2.

I don't kmow why Samsung doesn't take care of their USA customers with timely updates. Looks like they focus theirn efforts in Europe and Asia. I think Europe and Asia galaxy S original phones all got gingerbread 2.3 updates in April-June 2011. Canada just received theirs.

To date none of the galaxy S phones in the USA have gingerbread. And gingerbread has been out close to 11 months. It's unacceptable to provide this type of software support to USA customers

Thanks for the thought out response there mate. Something that I'm definitely going to take into consideration for my final decision.

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The iPhone 4S has:

-better OS real-word performance
-better graphics for games and apps
-better touch input recognition
-better camera
-64GB option
-better quality casing
-better resolution and pixel density
-better battery life
-Siri and iCloud
-better resale value
-better for music organizing and listening
-more accessories, cases, docks, etc.

The Galaxy S2 has:
-bigger screen
-higher HSPA+ theoretical data speed
-more OS customization without jailbraking
-unrestricted apps
-flash

I would definitely pick the 4S. If you're sold to Android though I would wait a bit, at least until the Galaxy Nexus announcement.

Out of the ones listed under iOS I'd only keep:

-better OS real-world performance
-better graphics
-better pixel density
-Siri


Everything else is either meh or not proven yet (like the camera)
 
Ok, after the keynote on Tuesday, I ran out and picked up the Galaxy S2. Today, I went and returned it for the 4s. I couldn't agree with netslacker and OneMike more. While I digged the larger screen, it also made it a tad cumbersome to reach all areas of the screen with one hand. Maybe if you have large hands, like a pro basketball player, it's not an issue. The Android software was solid from what I can see. It's, obviously, influenced by iOS. It might just be some getting used to on my part, but the keyboard seems really sensitive and more difficult to type on. I decided to trade it in due to the wife having/getting the 4s, tons of apps already purchased for iPhone (I had a 3Gs), iMessage, Facetime.

Someone mentioned the apps on Android are crap, I wouldn't say that at all. I found most of the same apps I used with iOS on Android and they seemed equal if not better.
 
I'm not an apple fan boy and I could really care less about the new iphone. I'll stick to my 3GS and run it to the ground. Now that being said my co-worker has a samsung galaxy S2 with Sprint. It's a nice phone and it's huge! It's nice for reading stuff but one thing I noticed is that the screen is not as sharp. There is a greenish tint to it when compared next to the iphone 4. Because of the greater pixel density of the iphone the images look crisper and for some reason the colors just pops out to me.
one thing I wish the 4S would have is maybe a 4" screen instead of 3.5". I think at 4.5" the screen is getting too big and it's only 2.5" away from a full blown 7" tablet.
but if I had a choice in terms of screen quality between the Galaxy S2 and the iphone 4, I would take the iphone 4 for sure.
 
I am amazed at the number of android fanboys crowding every forum nowadays including macrumors....talk about having huge insecurity.

Anyway, the only apple product i owned (since i now use a galaxy s 2) was the iPhone 4, and i miss it. Here's why:

Battery life:

The S2 has removable battery life. iPhone 4 doesn't. Here is the catch: with exact same usage of 2 hours of phone calls, 1 hour of music and about 1 hr of wifi browsing, 1 hour of movies/shows, the iPhone 4 used to last from 6am in the morning to midnight (I have a long commute so phone gets used a lot).

The S2 barely makes to 4pm. I am not an average user by the way. I have owned several androids before (Desire, Galaxy S, Arc, Nexus S) and i am fully aware of rooting, ROMs and how undervolting etc works.

That is all well and good for idle and standby, but no amount of tweaking could increase my actual screen on time. If stock was dead by 4pm, tweaked, UV'ed and Litening ROM'ed S2 now goes dead by 5pm. Such an annoyance. I am not a fan of carrying extra stuff like chargers and extra batteries; i mean c'mon..but i am forced to. People who swear they get weeks of battery life have exact same "screen on" time as someone who gets bad battery life. Funny how no one ever talks about that. 3G is the absolute killer for android, and LTE will make them worse, or already is for some of them. This was the same with previous android models, and it makes me angry at times that no one cares to address this.

The Screen:

Ok, the screen is big. Good. I give a plus for that as I am a fan of sizable screens for browsing and reading. S2 wins on that. But the resolution could need some help.

"But retina is a gimmick".

Yes and no. It depends on what you do. If you read, put an iPhone 4 side by side any 800x480 4.3inch screen and see what i mean. Seriously. However I was willing to let this go. Still bothers me on daily basis as text is not sharp enough and i get annoyed at times at reading zoomed up text which ends up using the big screen the same way as the smaller sharper one on iPhone.

However, the new phones will have HD screens and this will get rectified. You should wait for those if you read a lot. Other wise, this screen is perfect for watching movies; that is, as long as the battery lets you.

The Bloat:
The S2 comes loaded with literally tens of apps of which I barely use 3-4. This is stupid. And if you have even been to xda, you would know what i mean. The first recommended step after getting every non-Nexus android is to root, then install titanium backup and delete all the bloat. On the other hand the iPhone 4 has 2 apps i counted as bloat: the itunes app and the voice memos. Tucked away in the folder though, i rarely cared as every other app was basic functionality and the phone isn't loaded with useless stuff. Again, if you like to root, you can take care of it. Me, personally i find this a very bad move from the phone makers. Just load what is needed for function and that's it. If i need a game i will download it.

The apps:

Oh yeah. The apps. Ok I know what you are thinking: "this guy is now going to say app store beats android market in app volume and yadda yadda etc".

Actually, my beef is not number of apps. I am not a heavy apps downloader. I could care less if android market had 10000 or 10000000 apps as long as basic needed apps where there.

But the stock apps are largely meh. The browser while smooth and nice, is no where as sleek looking and easy to handle. Big screen helps here, however i never type forum posts using it. Email app needs an overhaul. Half of the time it fails to download full message while the connection is fully working, and sometimes zooming is a pain. So you might need to download an email app. Kind of ironic considering huge stock app numbers and still the need to download an app for basic function.

The keyboard could need some help. I make a lot of mistakes. However, swype is nice. This is another plus for the S2. But the tapping keyboard needs to be better. It is ugly, and the wrong keys are pressed a lot. I downloaded swiftkey X ($4.99, not free because of no amazon market in Canada) and it was somewhat better. Again third-party dev support needed for something that was supposed to be functional as stock.

Overall UI:

I have used 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3. I must say, neither of those versions improve the UI. The Nexus has a cleaned up UI, but not so aesthetic. Touchwiz offers extra goodies but the colored menu and the big icons with funky font was annoying. You can download the launcher pro from market, i tried go and adw and both looked horrible to me. You can customize using widgets and launchers, but then that adds to the extra processing power and considering i don't have a need for either, i just reverted to stock and live with the ugly (IMO) UI for now. It feels clunky, very user unfriendly and the stock menu should be what MIUI offers, which i ended up un-installing due to adding more battery woes and bugs for me.

Misc.

Rooting, ROMs and everything else is nice. But after flashing tons of ROMs on all the phones i had, i ask myself: what do i gain. Do i actually understand how this all works? do i actually get something extra from the modified "ROM"? The answer is, i get customization and minor performance changes, so minor that i barely even notice. I follow the instructions and it is super easy to load up ROMs on samsung compared to an HTC for example, but i never cared to know why. And most people don't. So this begs the question: what exactly makes an android user a technology genius if all i see is people flashing ROMs and then asking for indicators on how to install certain apps etc.

It is a lie. I am in control systems engineering. I fail to see how a bugs ridden platform which allows users to flash ROMs qualifies for being technologically advanced while a working flawlessly code with so much capability gets labeled "dumb". If anything my engineering career has taught me true accomplishment is building systems and machines which might be complex but look user friendly on the outside and are easy to deal with. I fail to see how this is not a technical marvel that an OS does many things without failing to respond to a user's commands at will and does everything elegantly and nicely. This is what engineering is really about.

Sure openness and "freedom" is nice. I switched from IP4 to android four times because every time i though it had evolved and the big screens, the drag and drop of media are cool, and it is. But it comes at a price. Sadly i don't like to pay it and will be replacing the S2 with a new WP7 or perhaps 4S down the road. Or maybe hope that QNX shows up soon enough in phone form or someone is kind enough to pick up Tizen to make it mainstream, although not in near future i guess.

Specs are cool. But what did specs give me? Apart from the large screen everything else was useless. The 2.3 on S2 dual core is same 2.3 on Nexus. Same on arc, same on incredible and so on. Nothing different. No optimization. What am i going to do with them specs? How do they really translate into real life usage? Is all I am supposed to do with an android phone is run a benchmark app 24/7 and gloat about my quadrant score on the new behemoth specced phone that pales in comparison to iOS or WP7 or even Meego and QNX for usage. I have a playbook and recently gave a chance to galaxy tab 10.1. I loved the gesture based UI of playbook and the smooth function, while the tab lagged with nothing on it yet and the UI just looked terrible to me. Playbook is simply amazing

My advice is to try it. Every phone is not for every one. The above are my experiences ofcourse. But I gave fair chance to the OS and concluded it doesn't do it for me. I love the ability to use my media without iTunes but am not willing to pay the extra price. So I am looking for alternatives now. ICS might be different but who knows, i am no fan of the new buttonless format shown in leaked pics. They might have just gone with a gesture based UI instead of the clunky approach.
 
I was either going to get a Galaxy S II or the iPhone 4S but the deal-breaker for me was that the GSII Android phone isn't as smooth and reliable, camera quality isn't as good, does not offer white GSII for AT&T, through my experience with Android worse battery, and no Siri. Sure there was no redesign, HSPA+, upgraded front cam but in fact we did get a new iPhone. The iPhone 4S wins in my opinion because the app store, camera quality, Siri, retina display, smoothness/reliability, iPod, and ease of multimedia synchronization.

The SGS2 is just as smooth as the iPhone 4.
 
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