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My Verizon account shows I qualify for upgrade pricing with an additional $30 loyalty discount. Will I have to preorder through Verizon to get this or can I also get it by preordering at the Apple Store online?
 
Maybe you can teach me what they didn't teach me at Brooks 26 years ago and what I haven't learned in 16 years as a Commercial Photographer.


Now, that IS Snarky, I have earned that right.


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Depends on the film. Silver halides are really only used in B&W film (and the now-discontinued Kodachrome). Today's color films (C-41 and E-6 processes) are really dye clouds.

In any case, you have devolved this into a semantic discussion. Digital photography refers to the use of silicon circuitry for recording the image, at least in layman's terms.

If you want analog imagery, what are you going to do? Paint a picture with oil paints? Those are pigments suspended in an oil medium, reflecting certain wavelengths. And what is color, after all? It's certain wavelengths of light reflecting off of molecules. In a way, there's no digital imagery.

Hint: maybe you should learn something about photography and optics before you snark off. You aren't that clever, especially when you devolve the conversation into semantics.

For further study, I suggest you read Leslie Stroebel's Photographic Materials and Processes (the out-of-print hardcover version of the classic photography textbook used at Rochester Institute of Technology).
 
I think it is amusing that so many people don't think the 4s is a major upgrade solely because it is not in a new case. Exactly what features are they missing? 4G? Well, if you are on AT&T, the 4s should be at least as fast as Wimax and LTE as they are currently implemented. If you are on Verizon and Sprint, well, I'm sorry for you as you are apparently stuck with 3g. A bigger screen? I guess it would be nice, but not if it makes the device too big to fit comfortably in my pocket. If wonder, do you think if they had put the same hardware in a new case and called it the 5, that all of the same morons be happy? I bet a bunch of them would. I bet the rest of them would never be happy - or admit it anyway. I also bet these are the same people who were whining that the 3Gs wasn't a real upgrade over the 3G. I had both devices and the 3GS was a successful and satisfying upgrade. I have the 4 now and I very much like this form factor. Apparently somebody agrees with me as they have sold a bunch of them and I bet they will sell a bunch more. I also like the touch iPod, but I suspect they can't fit enough battery into the case to make it a viable phone - yet. Maybe next year. I thought it was pretty comical how the rumor mill thought every new iPod Touch case they saw was clear evidence of the iPhone 5. And everyone blames Apple for not building it - instead of admitting they were pretty stupid for swallowing the rumors.

As far as the timing, I also find it pretty amusing that so many of those same people think they so clearly understand how to run a business as complex as Apple. Somebody may have pointed this out and I haven't seen it, but I suspect it may be possible that Apple was concerned that if they had pushed out the 4s so soon after the iPad2, they would not have had enough A5 chips (or some other parts) to satisfy the market for both devices. I don't remember how far out they still were in June, but I know they weren't yet current on stock as I ordered one as a birthday present in mid- June and was not sure it would arrive in three weeks (it did). I don' think they got current until later in the summer and they probably would have allowed for some safety factor if that was indeed a concern. There were also a number of rumors in the market about various shortages resulting from the earthquake and tsunami in Japan, which could have affected the release date. They may also have been waiting to perfect the software as they clearly needed iOS5 and Siri to finish off the product. It is astounding to me how many people hammer the release of software with even the slightest bugs and also turn around and wonder why it wasn't released years earlier. For half the price. Go figure.

It's missing ..

A bigger screen

NFC

Navigation

a dedicated button for SIRI - (That home button is irritating with too many functions 1 click,2click,3click hold down for a long time click)

a notification light (Like Blackberry)

A WOW factor , People want a new design simply because they want a new toy. If I tried to sell you a NERF Football that looks exactly the same as the one you already have and said "But this one has a newer foam formula inside"....you might be a little hesitant to buy it

Anyway, there is a lot more they could have done
 
Can I pre-order more than 1 iPhone for everybody on my family plan? Or would I have to do that through AT&T's website or actually go wait in line?
 
No they are NOT. When each person bought the I4, they went with a 2 year contract to get the lower price. A price that ATT had to pay for the phone.

Why does everyone think that people with a year or even a year and half ito a 2 year contract should get ATT to help pay for the phone?

Because I am willing to pay the 10 bucks per month thats left and get the $400 subsidy but they don't offer that. And my 10 dollar assumption is because that is the amount that decreases per month from your early termination fee. So if I am 5 months too early ask me to pay 50 bucks and then slap another 2 years to my contract and give me the subsidy.
 
To use a certain phrase....THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING....A lot of people are walking away from Apple this time,the view of many not just me. I'm not a Fanboy or a Fandroid, just a tech-head and this is a gigantic fail...Apple needed to serious up their game because the competition is surpassing them & this is an insult to anyone with an open mind after 16months...Apple's cutting-edge innovation looks like it's dying along with Steve Jobs...Goodbye Apple & Mac Rumours....
 
To use a certain phrase....THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING....A lot of people are walking away from Apple this time,the view of many not just me. I'm not a Fanboy or a Fandroid, just a tech-head and this is a gigantic fail...Apple needed to serious up their game because the competition is surpassing them & this is an insult to anyone with an open mind after 16months...Apple's cutting-edge innovation looks like it's dying along with Steve Jobs...Goodbye Apple & Mac Rumours....

B-S. Only fan-nerds paid any attention to the Keynote. Regular people will see the latest ads showing how Siri allows you to do new magical things like plan an entire vacation, the Cards app, Find my Friends app, the better camera, allow you to play awesome games with no more lag. Easily will sell 15 million next quarter, along with another 15 million 3GS/4s.
 
2G and 3G upgrades...

Ok...this may sound sad but both my wife and I each have the iPhone 2G and 3G respectively. Both phones batteries are beginning to die. We are on ATT family plan with original unlimited data plan. My wife would like to upgrade to the 4 and me the 4S. I wonder if ATT will let us keep the unlimited data plan and allow us to upgrade both phones. Thoughts? Needless to say, this upgrade will be huge for both of us.
 
Glad I waited. My 2 year contract is up with Verizon so i'm able to upgrade without paying an arm and a leg. Perfect timing. :cool:
 
Any ideas that i can buy an iphone 4s contract and simlock free in the us ?
I didn't find any hints on the US page.
 
Not going to be difficult to get. Most people who got iPhone 4 on or after launch aren't going to be eligible for an upgrade. I see a few 3G/S but not many.

I'm eligible Feb 25 2012. I have a few months to decide still.

I have a 4 and I'm eligible.
 
i will order three, one for me, one for my wife, and one for my family member. even though i am a happy iPhone 4 customer, the new features from iOS5 and Siri surely will run smoother on the upgraded hardware. in fact, i found iPhone 4 to be sluggish already. often i see page loading not as smooth as the day I bought it.

i think it is silly that a lot of people are disappointed about the lack of appearance change. they really don't know what they want. everything about the 4S is improved by far, except the appearance which is only 1% of what an iPhone is. 99% of what an iPhone does and its capabilities reside in its softwares! it's the power (cpu, gpu, and memory) that power up the fancy software that's critical to my needs.

i much rather have a phone that is powerful enough to run all the new features it has, than receive a appearance refresh FOR THE SAKE of changing. Seriously, how can you improve on a perfect hardware like iphone 4 already is?

From iPhone 1 to 3G, we went from metal to plastic because plastic is better for reception and more durable. then when glass came, it's 10x more scratch resistant and beautiful. now, what else do people want? i dont' want any other material than the glass we have today. an iPad like back will be so much worse for scratch and reception problems. a taper glass will be difficult to place on a table. a bigger phone will be too big to carry for 80% of the people. at last, the only thing they really could do is to make a bigger screen (and lose resolution). is it really what you all want? just a slightly bigger screen?? that will satisfy you, but not 99% of the critical upgrades that are relevant to iOS 5 features?

people are so shallow and stupid they just whine and not realizing what they want is pretty unrealistic. they just year after year want to be 'impressed' but not knowing exactly what it is they want to be impressed for.
 
Ok...this may sound sad but both my wife and I each have the iPhone 2G and 3G respectively. Both phones batteries are beginning to die. We are on ATT family plan with original unlimited data plan. My wife would like to upgrade to the 4 and me the 4S. I wonder if ATT will let us keep the unlimited data plan and allow us to upgrade both phones. Thoughts? Needless to say, this upgrade will be huge for both of us.

You should be grandfathered in. I have had unlimited since 2nd gen and am grandfathered.
 
There is no silver in the fixed image. It's just a dye cloud.

Go to a museum and look at photographic images. If it says "silver halide print" it is because there is silver halide in the medium.

The dye cloud density determines the color/saturation/etc. in C-41 and E-6 images, not the binary presence of silver halide crystals.

You lose, again.


Well, actually......


The first Developer in E-6 IS a Black a White Developer that forms a negative silver image in each layer of the film. The first developer is time and temperature sensitive because it controls contrast, just like B&W Film!!


Yes, one of my degrees at Brooks was... You guess it, Color Technology, which was in those days Color Lab Management!! I ran a E-6 and C-41 line in my Studio back in the late 80's

BTW, until last year, i had all my Kodak Z Manuals for all Processes!!
 
Well, well, well

If I had a dime for every time someone here asked why would anyone buy the white iPhone 4 back in April, when "a new one is just around the corner"... I'd have a lot of dimes.

Sure, 4S is a fine step forward, but I didn't regret skipping 3GS much either. After all, buying a new one every year is only for the hardcore fanboys, which I am perfectly fine with to not be.

There was a bit of a pain while I waited for 4 to come out in white (as my 3G had trouble keeping up with OS and app upgrades), but it did come out before things got too annoying, and it now turns out - not so late as to lock me out of upgrading to 5 as soon as that comes out.

So, I'm happy, because I had realistic expectations. Seems to me the only people who are upset are those who want it all and want it now. That's just not how this business works, folks.
 
Well, actually......


The first Developer in E-6 IS a Black a White Developer that forms a negative silver image in each layer of the film. The first developer is time and temperature sensitive because it controls contrast, just like B&W Film!!


Yes, one of my degrees at Brooks was... You guess it, Color Technology, which was in those days Color Lab Management!! I ran a E-6 and C-41 line in my Studio back in the late 80's

BTW, until last year, i had all my Kodak Z Manuals for all Processes!!

Since you guys are obviously so proud of your photo knowledge and you just can't stop talking to each other, why not swap dick pictures and set a meet-up time to discuss mutual interests over tea and handjobs. You're boring the rest of us.
 
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So stoked about the new form factor and OLED displays. Honestly I always thought backlit displays were just a bit inefficient. And the fact that the screen itself is bigger, just what I was waiting for. I can't wait to start using my iPhone for those NFC purchases either.
 
So, not to sound like the King of Tards, but I've never preordered anything, so if I were to walk into my local Sprint store and preorder this phone, I'd be able to pick it up on the day of release? What are the odds of them running out?

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So stoked about the new form factor and OLED displays. Honestly I always thought backlit displays were just a bit inefficient. And the fact that the screen itself is bigger, just what I was waiting for. I can't wait to start using my iPhone for those NFC purchases either.

Ouch.

You failed so hard, I felt it.
 
It's missing ..

A bigger screen

NFC

Navigation

a dedicated button for SIRI - (That home button is irritating with too many functions 1 click,2click,3click hold down for a long time click)

a notification light (Like Blackberry)

A WOW factor , People want a new design simply because they want a new toy. If I tried to sell you a NERF Football that looks exactly the same as the one you already have and said "But this one has a newer foam formula inside"....you might be a little hesitant to buy it

Anyway, there is a lot more they could have done


I'm no longer expecting anything exciting from Apple in this market. This iPhone 4S and its iOS 5 operating system are not even really catching up with the Galaxy S2 or other leading Android phones. They're at least a step behind and all the lawsuits didn't help them stay ahead of the pack.

Siri seems to be the only feature that appears to be worth talking about... But how stupid will you look if you stand somewhere in a city talking to your phone instead of talking to a real person? I cannot imagine any real life uses for such a feature. I have not even played with the similar stuff that Samsung built into their Galaxy phones because I honestly don't care.

The only place where something like Siri would make sense is when you could call your computer at home and tell it over the phone to do something for you. Now -that- could be useful. But why the heck would I want to talk to the phone that I am already holding in my hands?
 
It's missing ..

A bigger screen

NFC

Navigation

a dedicated button for SIRI - (That home button is irritating with too many functions 1 click,2click,3click hold down for a long time click)

a notification light (Like Blackberry)

A WOW factor , People want a new design simply because they want a new toy. If I tried to sell you a NERF Football that looks exactly the same as the one you already have and said "But this one has a newer foam formula inside"....you might be a little hesitant to buy it

Anyway, there is a lot more they could have done

A nerf football? A little better foam? Really? So a complete upgrade to the antenna system, HSPDA+, dual core processor, probably a memory upgrade to go along with that, better operating system, Siri and probably a couple dozen other technical things I have overlooked, forgotten or don't even know about yet, adds up to a little better Nerf foam? Sorry, but that is pretty lame. I see the 4S as a proper response to the state of the market. I suspect that junking the existing case design in favor of some fairy tale case was probably impossible to do while maintaining the required price structure. Especially since the 4 is still the best design in the market. Of course, you are the guy who thinks Apple has $80 billion in cash from giving away the hardware to make money in the App store. I won't even get into that, but it is clear that business economics is not your strong suit.

The three additional features you could come up with, have all been endlessly debated. I don't really see any of those as adding anything to the phone in the current state of tech. The phone already does Nav the way I want it to, so I don't really agree with the lack of Nav as a shortcoming. I have a nav system in my car and I don't use that very much either. I sort of understand the larger screen, which could be useful if properly implemented, but the complications of an incremental screen size change are apparently enormous. A device with a huge screen is not portable enough. So, my personal opinion is that the screen is the correct size at this time. Just my opinion of course, but there seem to be more than a few that agree. I also suspect that a larger screen was not economically feasible - full case redesign, etc. NFC has security issues and is not ready for prime time. Just saying those things would be nice does not really justify being disappointed if they are not actually feasible. Of course, if you can point me to the perfect device that is all things to all people, I will gladly stand corrected. I am disappointed it does not have a built in light saber, but I am capable of handling that without blaming Apple for letting me down. And just saying "there is a lot more they could have done" is just being contrary unless you can suggest what that is and justify it on all factors, desirability, cost, feasibility, etc. And what makes it your job to define "wow factor" anyway. I will say WOW! if Siri actually works in real life usage. I still have some doubts. But I am definitely interested in the increased speed and I see nothing else for sale at this time that offers more of that. If nobody else can even come close to any "wow factor" in their devices, then why is it you actually feel justified in demanding it from Apple and crying foul when they don't deliver it just for you?
 
I'm no longer expecting anything exciting from Apple in this market. This iPhone 4S and its iOS 5 operating system are not even really catching up with the Galaxy S2 or other leading Android phones. They're at least a step behind and all the lawsuits didn't help them stay ahead of the pack.

Siri seems to be the only feature that appears to be worth talking about... But how stupid will you look if you stand somewhere in a city talking to your phone instead of talking to a real person? I cannot imagine any real life uses for such a feature. I have not even played with the similar stuff that Samsung built into their Galaxy phones because I honestly don't care.

The only place where something like Siri would make sense is when you could call your computer at home and tell it over the phone to do something for you. Now -that- could be useful. But why the heck would I want to talk to the phone that I am already holding in my hands?

Using Siri is faster, easier, more convenient, and hands-free (minus the initial button press).
 
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