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iPhone 4S remains the top graphically performing smartphone in the US - beats US GS3

LIVEFRMNYC said:
Screen size doesn't mean much with good graphics / resolution. I played through the the whole Dead Space game and with headphones, it was just as intense as playing it on my 360 console. Plenty of games in the app store that feel console like and pull you in to the point you forget your on a 3.5 screen.

The whole "who plays real games on an iPhone" type of comments in this thread is foolish. The PSP GO is only 3.8 screen, I guess playing any real games on that is unbelievable too. ;)
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The Go is MADE for games and set up that way. A cell PHONE is not. I don't know one serious gamer who whips out his PHONE to play a real game.
 
mbell1975 said:
The Go is MADE for games and set up that way. A cell PHONE is not. I don't know one serious gamer who whips out his PHONE to play a real game.
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I guess you don't know any serious gamers then.

Serious gamers I know have almost every console, at least 2 pc gamer rigs, and a ton of portable systems. Serious gamers play on every and any platform including smartphones.
 
mbell1975 said:
The Go is MADE for games and set up that way. A cell PHONE is not. I don't know one serious gamer who whips out his PHONE to play a real game.
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Considering iOS has big name content from Namco, Sega, Capcom, Electronic Arts, Rockstar, Konomi, Tecmo and so many others, your assertion is flat out wrong.

I'm not just talking Angry Birds either. Soul Caliber is ridiculously nice looking on the iphone and plays just as good as it did on Dreamcast.

As a person that played fighting games till dawn in China Town Fair, NYC, don't pretend you speak for hardcore gamers. There are a lot of us and we come in many flavors.
 
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Technarchy said:
Everything is wasted on "average" users so what's your point? With that mindset Apple should still be selling iPhone 1 as their flagship.
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Apple targets the average users. They make their hardware and software for them.

Let me take a stab at your iphone 1 comment...... ummm how are you going to make money once everyone has iphone 1? how about keep throwing updates to it so people upgrade. Its how the phone industry works, most people just make call and sms, but hey, new shiny hardware means more $$$$.
 
I have no doubt the 4S is faster mostly due to optimization. Personally I don't play games on my 4S that require any real graphical power (words w/ friends etc). My gripe since its a mobile device is its slow data connection. With Verizon it's nearly unusable a lot of the time. So for me it's an incredibly slow phone. I know that this is a graphic base thread and I'm off topic but I'm more surprise so many people care about this. Plus when you play high end games that are available on both platforms I see/feel no noticeable difference in performance. So the 4S is faster, no dev is going to make amazing game for it that the 3GS can't run. If benchmarks make people feel better more power to them (keep in mind I have a 4S and don't care) but I base my opinion on real world experience.
 
Technarchy said:
Considering iOS has big name content from Namco, Sega, Capcom, Electronic Arts, Rockstar, Konomi, Tecmo and so many others, your assertion is flat out wrong.

I'm not just talking Angry Birds either. Soul Caliber is ridiculously nice looking on the iphone and plays just as good as it did on Dreamcast.

As a person that played fighting games till dawn in China Town Fair, NYC, don't pretend you speak for hardcore gamers. There are a lot of us and we come in many flavors.
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I think what the guys saying is that iPhone is not the very best platform for games. Sure it's okay for a few minutes here and there but it doesn't compare to the real thing.

For example, you being a fan of fighting games; would you prefer using the touch screen of the iPhone or a nice joystick? Alternatively would you prefer the crystal clear graphics of Soul Calibur on the 360 or the watered down graphics on the iPhone?

Sure it does a good job, but it doesn't supersede or even equal the gaming experience you get from a dedicated device. Having said that I can't carry my PC round in my pocket. :)
 
This thread is hilarious and sad at the same time.

IMHO on iPhone you give up flexibility and freedom to be handed a highly optimized and curated ecosystem that makes the best of what options you are given.

On Android you give up optimization and a curated ecosystem for the flexibility and freedom offered by the open platform. Recent example from the last couple of days I can think about is mightytext.net. You will not see this on iOS, it simply wants more than Apple would be willing to give...but on Android, that was my choice.

I love that about Android...and I love that my 4S feels like a faster and more solid experience. I love that I can tinker with Android right down to custom kernels...and I love that I can count on my iOS device to be rock solid without my having to tinker.

All in all, I'm very on the fence between the two platforms. I just think both have big pros and with big pros comes big cons.
 
Zaft said:
cores and ram dont really matter when the 4S is just as smooth. whats the point talking about these specs when they dont matter in real world performance?
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That's all a fAndroid has...specs...

Apple spends millions and millions of dollars optimizing iOS to run butter smooth on less raw hardware spec-wise. And it has paid off handsomely.

Meanwhile, on Android...stutter...stutter...even with quad cores yada yada yada. Some day they'll figure out the user experience (ie SOFTWARE) is just as important - if not more so, in most cases - than specs.
 
chiefpavvy said:
That's all a fAndroid has...specs...

Apple spends millions and millions of dollars optimizing iOS to run butter smooth on less raw hardware spec-wise. And it has paid off handsomely.

Meanwhile, on Android...stutter...stutter...even with quad cores yada yada yada. Some day they'll figure out the user experience (ie SOFTWARE) is just as important - if not more so, in most cases - than specs.
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You haven't seen the S3 then. Smoother than the iPhone and about 4times as fast. Hell, my Razr Maxx is just as smooth as my 4s on ICS. Now that Android is just as smooth and faster than iOS, what argument will iPhone fanboys go to next? Guess its back to fragmentation :)
 
chiefpavvy said:
That's all a fAndroid has...specs...

Apple spends millions and millions of dollars optimizing iOS to run butter smooth on less raw hardware spec-wise. And it has paid off handsomely.

Meanwhile, on Android...stutter...stutter...even with quad cores yada yada yada. Some day they'll figure out the user experience (ie SOFTWARE) is just as important - if not more so, in most cases - than specs.
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Galaxy S3 (international version) is smoother than the iPhone 4S and both the iPad 2 and 3.

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mbell1975 said:
You haven't seen the S3 then. Smoother than the iPhone and about 4times as fast. Hell, my Razr Maxx is just as smooth as my 4s on ICS. Now that Android is just as smooth and faster than iOS, what argument will iPhone fanboys go to next? Guess its back to fragmentation :)
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You can't really say that Android is as smooth as iOS when it's running on much superior hardware. The Galaxy S3 has a 1.4GHz quad core processor. The 4S has a 1GHz dual core processor.

The S2 was a better comparison and whilst I found it easily smooth enough, hardly ever froze, lagged etc, it was noticeably less smooth than my iPad 2.

Android ICS is a lot smoother by itself than with the manufacturer overlays like Sense/Touchwiz too.
 
matttye said:
You can't really say that Android is as smooth as iOS when it's running on much superior hardware. The Galaxy S3 has a 1.4GHz quad core processor. The 4S has a 1GHz dual core processor.
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the US version of the S3 with the dual core Snapdragon is just as smooth too...Hardware doesn't matter. Android phones have had superior specs to iPhone for years. It's the software that gave it a bit if a stutter. ICS is better optimized, so that's gone now.
 
The 4S has the same problem as the 3GS and the iPad 2, thats is while its a more powerful device its potential is not utilised as it shares the same screen resolution as its predecessor and applications are not made exclusively for it because the developers don't wont to lose out on the revenue from people that own the previous version. Its a screen resolution change that prompts devs to updates their apps for new hardware. Its extra power goes to waste and in that sense the experience is similar to an iphone 4.
 
mbell1975 said:
the US version of the S3 with the dual core Snapdragon is just as smooth too...Hardware doesn't matter. Android phones have had superior specs to iPhone for years. It's the software that gave it a bit if a stutter. ICS is better optimized, so that's gone now.
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I haven't had the opportunity of using the US version so can't comment. The Snapdragon S4 is a generation ahead of the iPhone 4S' processor.

ICS is definitely a step in the right direction and I agree that it's a lot smoother, but it's not AS smooth as iOS on comparable hardware.

You have to bear in mind that Android can do a lot more though; it's not going to be as smooth as it's a more capable OS. It can run so many more apps in the background for example.
 
matttye said:
You have to bear in mind that Android can do a lot more though; it's not going to be as smooth as it's a more capable OS. It can run so many more apps in the background for example.
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Exactly. Why do you think Apple is so against widgets, live weather animations, live wallpapers etc..its hardware can't handle it and still be buttery smooth.
 
mbell1975 said:
Exactly. Why do you think Apple is so against widgets, live weather animations, live wallpapers etc..its hardware can't handle it and still be buttery smooth.
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The good thing is now that Android is running smooth, there simply isn't a defence for not having those features.

"I don't want widgets / full background app support / insert feature here because it runs like crap" doesn't apply anymore!
 
mbell1975 said:
Exactly. Why do you think Apple is so against widgets, live weather animations, live wallpapers etc..its hardware can't handle it and still be buttery smooth.
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Thats false. Iv had a live wallpaper and widgets on my 4S via jailbreak. it runs just as smooth.
 
matttye said:
I haven't had the opportunity of using the US version so can't comment. The Snapdragon S4 is a generation ahead of the iPhone 4S' processor.

ICS is definitely a step in the right direction and I agree that it's a lot smoother, but it's not AS smooth as iOS on comparable hardware.

You have to bear in mind that Android can do a lot more though; it's not going to be as smooth as it's a more capable OS. It can run so many more apps in the background for example.
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GS2 was the 1st and only Android I used that matched the fluidity of iOS, never had stutters or anything (only have two widgets though), seen more stutters and weird glitches in iOS. Someone on here even pointed to a website to show how his Nexus and Android in general couldn't handle it and scrolled choppy with a vid playing, and yet my phone loaded it slightly quicker on Chrome then Safari and had no problem playing the vid and scrolling buttery smooth at the same time. Maybe the Exynos GS2s are the magical phones of Android ;) lol ??? . Craziest thing was battery life though, stock it edged out both 4Ss, but with the ICS Rom I have it's on par/little better then my 4, very impressive. Bloatware running in the background hurts battery life, this phone has a battery like, what, only 200mah larger than the iPhone? Can imagine what the newer phones like the GSIII or any with larger maH batteries can do with a custom Rom.
 
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You guys have to remember ios prioritizes user input above all. Ive given this example a few times but it helps illustrate the point.

In safari, atomic, any iOS web browser if you load a busy page then start scrolling the page before its done loading (don't lift your finger just keep scrolling up and down) it will pause the loading and even the downloading of that web page.

With android you can have 10 tabs loading and start scrolling and the will keep loading.

Android will never be as smooth as ios because of this it's doing a lot more. If its not prioritizing user input how will it ever feel as smooth? I have a Razr and Xoom and while they are both smooth there is a certain detached feeling with android. I've yet to try an S3 so I can't comment on that.
 
matttye said:
Galaxy S3 (international version) is smoother than the iPhone 4S and both the iPad 2 and 3.
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I'm not sure how much smoother you can get than the 0 lag I see on my iPhone 4S, and new iPad, but I have seen the Galaxy S3 stutter on some YouTube video, of course they were giving it a stress test :)

That's iOS for you, it stays smooth, but limits functionality to keep it that way. There are benefits to both systems, but I just haven't seen an Android phone run as smoothly or quickly as iOS. I'll be checking out the GS3 in stores soon to see how it looks.

I personally have not seen an Adroid device that didn't stutter in the browser while scrolling around. If the S3 has resolved that issue, then it truly is the best Android has to offer.

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mbell1975 said:
the US version of the S3 with the dual core Snapdragon is just as smooth too...Hardware doesn't matter. Android phones have had superior specs to iPhone for years. It's the software that gave it a bit if a stutter. ICS is better optimized, so that's gone now.
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I wasn't until the recently released HTC One X that an Android phone had better CPU performance than the iPhone 4S, and it wasn't until the GS3 (international version only) was released that an Android phone had better GPU performance than the iPhone 4S.

I am consistently shocked with how consistently incorrect your posts are mbell1975 :)
 
It's funny watching people say ICS is butter smooth and smoother than iOS. I've had a lot of fun with both stock and modded versions of ICS on my Galaxy Nexus and it certainly does have a lot of things to offer over my 4S...but smoother is not one of them.

Now, it IS smooth in most places but a lot of apps aren't smooth (back to the whole apps aren't optimized because they have to hit lots of platforms) and my web browsing would not be smooth in the strangest of places.

I could go to a site like Droid-Life and load the full web version ads and all and scroll smoothly in multiple browsers yet I've not been able to find a single browser that can go to the MOBILE version of Android Police and not stutter and lag when scrolling. (keep in mind, my 4S will scroll smoothly on AP mobile version)

Does that make sense? Nope, and I've had to get used to weird things like that on Android.

I've no doubt that, at least, the international version of the GS3 might overcome these problems but it didn't do it because ICS is so optimized and awesome and buttery smooth. It did it with raw horse power. Guess what happens when you just crank up the horse power without optimizing things? Uses more juice. This is why my 4S with it's 1400mAh battery last longer than my Galaxy Nexus with it's 2000mAh extended battery.
 
DodgeV83 said:
I'm not sure how much smoother you can get than the 0 lag I see on my iPhone 4S, and new iPad, but I have seen the Galaxy S3 stutter on some YouTube video, of course they were giving it a stress test :)

That's iOS for you, it stays smooth, but limits functionality to keep it that way. There are benefits to both systems, but I just haven't seen an Android phone run as smoothly or quickly as iOS. I'll be checking out the GS3 in stores soon to see how it looks.

I personally have not seen an Adroid device that didn't stutter in the browser while scrolling around. If the S3 has resolved that issue, then it truly is the best Android has to offer.
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You have to use it to believe it. I didn't think my S2 lagged.. then I used my iPad. I didn't think my iPad lagged.. then I used my S3.

It's easy to think something has zero lag until you use something faster!
 
Ive just tested the Android Police mobile site and it is smooth on my S3. Battery life on mine is beyond anything my Nexus S or Galaxy Nexus could achieve so in both of those respects, I'm more than happy with the handset.

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lordofthereef said:
What's the point of two pc gamer rigs? :confused:
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Double Gamebow, so intense. :p
 
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