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iPhone 4S will be 'ancient' within few months
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With a 4.6 inch screen size, it will sure eat your jeans pocket for breakfast. It will even eat up its entire battery BEFORE breakfast.
At the end of the day, profit is all that matters. If Apple makes money, but Google doesn't, it doesn't matter what marketshare android has, because it'll go the way of the Zune. (That's not likely to happen -- at least, not anytime soon.)
The issue with Tech Forums; people who frequent them are gear heads. Just like an automobile, you will have those who want to fully customize their auto. However, the majority of the population just wants a sleek auto that is reliable. Same in the phone market; people want a phone that is easy to operate, entertainment, and help organize their lives on. Apple excels at all of these and that is why they are an industry leader in smartphones.
agreed
I phone 4s has great software. But i think i still prefer my HTC EVO, the screen size is just to big of a deal for me to downgrade. I'm thinking nexus prime might be the way to go...
I phone 4s has great software. But i think i still prefer my HTC EVO, the screen size is just to big of a deal for me to downgrade. I'm thinking nexus prime might be the way to go...
Well, you had momentum for a second, but then the wheels came off, so not so good, imho. McDonald's formula results in a consistent, predictable and familiar experience which explains their numbers, compared with competitors. Folks who want fast food want it FAST and without FUSS, period. They want to eat fast, and get the hell out, and really aren't making decisions based on the consumed product.
This is hardly analogous with an expensive two year phone contract which can essentially "marry" a user to a phone and OS and provider, establishing a long term relationship. If Apple was delivering an inferior product experience, it goes without question that customers would defect to cheaper brands. They're not. Analogy failed...
why does everyone think that just because it has a small screen, it is not of high quality.
is there a phone on the market yet, that has a better quality one?
The internals are on par or better than anything else out there right now, or will be coming out. The A5 stomps anything out right now, and the GPU destroys anything out now.
I am not going to write this for the millionth time. Here is a link to the thread. The OP is seriously delusional.
It will most likely have the best camera out. So how is it or how will it be 'outdated by jan?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1239423/
is there a phone on the market yet, that has a better quality one?
The internals are on par or better than anything else out there right now, or will be coming out. The A5 stomps anything out right now, and the GPU destroys anything out now.
I am not going to write this for the millionth time. Here is a link to the thread. The OP is seriously delusional.
It will most likely have the best camera out. So how is it or how will it be 'outdated by jan?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1239423/
Beyond a certain point, hardware specs don't matter that much. The tech industry is littered with the failures of "better hardware" (e.g., "Betamax vs VHS", "Amiga vs PC", etc., etc.). I'm sure others can come up with better examples.
Yes it can be right. See the above link. Specs don't mean nothing, the user experience does. If the OS cannot take advantage of the hardware what good is it?
Once again the hypocrisy of the fanboysim is blurrimg this tread. First of all, Apple has always bragged about being the thinnest in all of their products. The iphone 4s is even thicker than the ipad. Yet senior vice president, Phil Schiller got the balls to say that the iphone 4s is the thinnest phone on the market. He has never seen the Samsung Galaxy s2. So size does matter on if it's in Apple advantage. Now suddenly we don't mind the small screen and the thick bulky design. At the same token we criticize other non apple products on their thickness.
Second off all, the iphone 4s is a catch up model to many android devices that are over a year old. And not only the specs, but the os is lagging too. It's for a reason why ios 5 is coming with notification app, which still doesn't match the android. Specs and benchmark results where always Apple's selling point. Now that the iPhone 4 doesn't have the specs nor the benchmark results as the top leading android devices, suddenly these aspects aren't important anymore.
I remember when ipad 1 didn't have a camera. Everyone said the tablet didn't needed one. No one is goin to use a camera on a tablet anyhow. Suddenly all tablets without a camera is junk in the eyes of the apple fanboys.
I give credit to apple when they come up with a game changing device as they have always did with their first generation devices. I used the 3gs for two years the and was very happy with it. Now i got a Samsung Galaxy s2 and can't beleive all the things i missed out on the iphone. Being in the design field where 90% of company's website are in flash, it was a no brainer to go with an android device. Yet the apple crowd don't see that as a dealbreaker. God forbid Apple did have flash support and android didn't, than the who world would be hearing about that daily.
Second off all, the iphone 4s is a catch up model to many android devices that are over a year old. And not only the specs, but the os is lagging too. It's for a reason why ios 5 is coming with notification app, which still doesn't match the android. Specs and benchmark results where always Apple's selling point. Now that the iPhone 4 doesn't have the specs nor the benchmark results as the top leading android devices, suddenly these aspects aren't important anymore.
I remember when ipad 1 didn't have a camera. Everyone said the tablet didn't needed one. No one is goin to use a camera on a tablet anyhow. Suddenly all tablets without a camera is junk in the eyes of the apple fanboys.
I give credit to apple when they come up with a game changing device as they have always did with their first generation devices. I used the 3gs for two years the and was very happy with it. Now i got a Samsung Galaxy s2 and can't beleive all the things i missed out on the iphone. Being in the design field where 90% of company's website are in flash, it was a no brainer to go with an android device. Yet the apple crowd don't see that as a dealbreaker. God forbid Apple did have flash support and android didn't, than the who world would be hearing about that daily.
not really...there are other places that can give you food if you're just looking to eat fast and get the hell out. doesn't explain why McD's outsells them all...
the reason they outsell them all: marketing and brand familiarity.
you're right on one point...consumers don't care about the consumed product at mcdonalds. they don't compare the difference between the big mac and the whopper when they decide where to eat. they just eat what they like.
which is exactly the mentality that (some believe) apple is relying on. people see the apple brand and they want it. that's the only reason why apple can justify their price margins for their products.
this video sums up my point (in a more comical fashion than i do):
I was disappointed by today's announcement but for completely different reasons.
iPhone 4 was ground-breaking. it introduced technologies that entire industry was forced to raise its level - retina display, industrial design, awesome camera to name a few. People are still trying to catch up to 326ppi screens. iPhone 4 made the entire industry better not because it was the best selling handset but because it was the most desired one.
Looking back at today - no industry-changing innovation was announced (unless you count Apple now becoming a rival to Shutterfly). there was innovation but it was not aspiring, just evolutionary.
My worry is that competitors will get complacent. they won't push the limits, they won't challenge the status quo. it has a cyclical effect, dumbs down the entire ecosystem.
I like Apple because they are visionaries. they change paradigms. they set the standards for excellence. I didn't see that today. Which is why I am disappointed.
iPhone 4 was ground-breaking. it introduced technologies that entire industry was forced to raise its level - retina display, industrial design, awesome camera to name a few. People are still trying to catch up to 326ppi screens. iPhone 4 made the entire industry better not because it was the best selling handset but because it was the most desired one.
Looking back at today - no industry-changing innovation was announced (unless you count Apple now becoming a rival to Shutterfly). there was innovation but it was not aspiring, just evolutionary.
My worry is that competitors will get complacent. they won't push the limits, they won't challenge the status quo. it has a cyclical effect, dumbs down the entire ecosystem.
I like Apple because they are visionaries. they change paradigms. they set the standards for excellence. I didn't see that today. Which is why I am disappointed.
Will still be the bestselling smartphone
I dont understand everyone's fascination with Apple selling tons of iPhones. First, unless you have stock in Apple you don't see a dime of their profits. Second, with them selling tons of units if gives them the right to continue to put out mediocre updates.
What you should hope for is poor sales, bad media coverage, and a rise in Android market share, to make Apple put out something worthwhile.
Will still be the bestselling smartphone
You are 100% correct. It proves that the great majority of Apple customers will buy anything. As so many have stated, they don't care about anything other than the Apple logo.
Will still be the bestselling smartphone
I don't know you know, Many people want the best, want something to be totally different etc
The 4s doesn't really stick out, doesn't look different to the 4 and there is only minor changes inside.
Not a lot of people that have the 4 IMO, will feel the need to buy the 4s.
I think it's because the iPhone 4s isn't adding anything NEW and different, compared to the recent "android" phones that keep coming out.
It may not have anything it's lagging compared to current android phones and the best of the best, but considering we have waited a year, you would expect it does change the market, and is completely better.
In a few months time nokia, samsung etc will introduce phones with most likely new technology, better specs etc and you would expect apple would try and counter that and introduce yet another market "uprising"
People have expectations of apple, and clearly this time around, apple have failed to fulfil those expectations.
I'm totally with you. It makes a lot of sense that the iPhone 5 will be coming sooner rather than later, given that the 4S is a relatively small jump, and especially given all the iPhone 5 leaks that have not yet come to fruition. I wish I could wait on buying a 4S until I know what's up with 5, but my android phone is such a PIECE OF CRAP
You guys are contradicting yourselves BIG time. How is the 4S outdated at release when you both claim the competition sucks and that the 3GS is as good as the standard in the industry and no other phones are stepping up to the plate? If you honestly believe nothing else can touch the iPhones, then how is it outdated?
Also, would you be mad if the next upgrade is just an LTE and possibly a NFC bump? I reckon it'd be called the 4GS once the phones are able to utilize on the 4G networks.
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You forget that Apple is a comprehensive company and their strengths are not just in hardware. If you're disappointed today, then you completely missed the software upgrade they presented in the personal assistant. This was their revolutionary push today, not the hardware. iPhones have always been quick and handy. I like to call it the missing half of my brain as it helps me remember stuff and keep my schedules. The personal assistant stuff is one step closer in making this device more than just a mobile computer, but for a lack of a better term, a personal assistant. While Android folks are busy tweaking their phones, you will actually be able to make your lives easier with the new software upgrades. That's where the new phones are shining today.
With that said, sure, I would love to have seen more hardware upgrades - LTE, NFC, slightly bigger screen. But without the proper network support, merchant support or better battery technology, none of those three things will provide the upgraded experience that Apple wants to provide with this new release that includes iCloud and Siri.
In this world, having the "best" phone is not enough. You need a useful, easy-to-use ecosystem to go with it, and Amazon is the only company with such an ecosystem (and that's only at the iPad side, and, even then, probably won't be seriously threatening the iPad for another 1+ years).
On the other hand, Microsoft, Nokia, or Samsung buying Amazon would be a game-changer, but I don't think that's likely to happen.
Edit: Also, if any of those three were to buy netflix or hulu, that might be game-changing, too. Possibly not, but that would definitely be something to watch.
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In all honesty, while Siri is a seriously cool feature, I'm not sure how much usage it'll get. While it's very useful for people who spend a lot of time driving (or jogging, as Apple's video shows), it's less useful in an office environment, unless you're lucky enough to be in an office with walls -- your co-workers certainly won't want to hear you speaking about your personal appointments and fetishes.
"Ancient" is a little strong, but the new iPhone surely will not be able compete in the premium smartphone market when it approaches mid cycle. Notice how the iPhone 4 did, because it was ahead at introduction. iPhone 4s is behind, or at the very best equal -- and it's still not in stores.
That said, it will probably sell like crazy
That said, it will probably sell like crazy
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This is the last I'll post about this particular (false, imho) analogy, but here goes: You contradicted yourself and didn't understand my point. They're not eating the Big Mac because that's "what they like". It is merely the quickest and least threatening/risky of any number of unpalatable options. This is in contrast to iPhone/Mac users, who are willing to pay a premium for a superior product.
Ok, fair enough, you have your view.
But I'm just pointing out that your argument relies on the assumption that Apple is delivering the superior product. With respect to the iPhone 4S, that's a very debatable assumption.
You also said that people would stop buying Apple products and go to the cheaper alternative if the quality were to fall. Open your eyes and read some of the posts up here. People are leaving iOS and the iPhone for other products...and they're just a small sample from a Mac-fanboy site!
I was just pointing out the (obvious) point, that a lot of the time people don't care about what the superior product is. They buy what they like, what they want, and what is popular. Apple and McD's are prime examples of that.
BTW - i don't know what type of Big Mac you're eating, but they certainly have their own kind of risk. And there are alternatives out there that are just as quick, if not more so. Just sayin'...