iPhone 5 Camera Parts Show No Attached Flash

[Reach9]

iPhone 4S will be the next phone.

The 5 will NOT come out till next year, no way.

The line up for September shall be iPhone 4S 16GB/32GB Black/White OR iPhone 4 8GB/Black.

The S will have the separate flash location, faster Apple A4 and higher clocked GPU - I do not think we will see the A5 until the iPhone 5 next year's June/July.

Are you kidding me? What is this "4S" i'm hearing? The next iPhone will be the 5th generation iPhone and so therefore until it's actually released iPhone 5 sounds most ideal. Apple is a company which works with it's product's generations.

iPhone = iPhone 1
iPhone 3G = iPhone 2
iPhone 3GS = iPhone 3
iPhone 4 = iPhone 4

Now your logic says:
iPhone 4S = iPhone 5?
iPhone 5 = iPhone 6?
iPhone 5S = iPhone 7?
iPhone 6 = iPhone 8?

Can you see how messed up that is? There's no pattern, the 3G and 3GS were exceptions.
It's not Apple-like for them to skip numbers that correspond to the product generation.

We'll definitely be seeing the A5 on this year's iPhone 5, it's pretty much guaranteed since the iPad 2 already has it.

 

[coldmack]

The real problem will be when the iPhone gets real 4G(advance LTE and not this marketing lunch meat AT&T and T-Mobile are feeding us). What will it be called, iPhone 4G, iPhone6(if it comes out for that gen), or something else?

Please, Apple! If you want to destroy the competition don't go with that paltry(and slow) Sony sensor. The only choice is to go with the proven 1/1.83" sensor(which is larger than 1/2.3" sensor that even your typical p&s cameras use) that Nokia is using, then apply the back-light technology on that, paired to no more than 7mp, and call it a gosh darn day.

 

[Trakker]

Are you kidding me? What is this "4S" i'm hearing? The next iPhone will be the 5th generation iPhone and so therefore until it's actually released iPhone 5 sounds most ideal. Apple is a company which works with it's product's generations.

iPhone = iPhone 1
iPhone 3G = iPhone 2
iPhone 3GS = iPhone 3
iPhone 4 = iPhone 4

Now your logic says:
iPhone 4S = iPhone 5?
iPhone 5 = iPhone 6?
iPhone 5S = iPhone 7?
iPhone 6 = iPhone 8?

Can you see how messed up that is? There's no pattern, the 3G and 3GS were exceptions.
It's not Apple-like for them to skip numbers that correspond to the product generation.

We'll definitely be seeing the A5 on this year's iPhone 5, it's pretty much guaranteed since the iPad 2 already has it.

No, I am not kidding you.

Naming conventions will NOT stop money making.

The iPhone 4 was coincidental - 4th Generation and the 4th type.

The 5 will be revolutionary - a White iPhone being released now is a build up to an 'S'.

It's business sense.

 

[Full of Win]

I guessing the move is simple... There's other new components in the way. I'm guessing the move of the flash is just plain a move due to space inside the new iPhone. Nothing more. There would be almost no photo advantage to the move. Too small of a distance to make a difference.

Plus, all the case makers get to make new cases! Manufacturers and retailers rejoice!

If they made the flash more powerful, it could be an issue the current arrangement.

 

[pmz]

I'd say the odds of this being accurate for the next gen iPhone are about 99.5%.

 

[constructor]

I'd say the odds of this being accurate for the next gen iPhone are about 99.5%.

More like 0.1%.

If they actually downgraded the iPhone camera to the level of the iPad2 or the iPod Touch, it would seriously decrease the attraction of the product. I'd say the chances of Apple doing that are very close to zero.

 

[diamornte]

Originally Posted by Trakker
iPhone 4S will be the next phone.

The 5 will NOT come out till next year, no way.

The line up for September shall be iPhone 4S 16GB/32GB Black/White OR iPhone 4 8GB/Black.

The S will have the separate flash location, faster Apple A4 and higher clocked GPU - I do not think we will see the A5 until the iPhone 5 next year's June/July.

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No, I am not kidding you.

Naming conventions will NOT stop money making.

The iPhone 4 was coincidental - 4th Generation and the 4th type.

The 5 will be revolutionary - a White iPhone being released now is a build up to an 'S'.

It's business sense.

How the hell do you know and why should we believe you? Just because you absolutely insist you're right does not mean you know.

To say Apple won't include the A5 in the iPhone until next year's version is incorrect and doesn't make sense for Apple to continue making "faster Apple A4" chips along with A5 chips.

 

[Trakker]

How the hell do you know and why should we believe you? Just because you absolutely insist you're right does not mean you know.

To say Apple won't include the A5 in the iPhone until next year's version is incorrect and doesn't make sense for Apple to continue making "faster A4" chips along with A5 chips.

I'm not insisting or asking you to believe me I am simply stating Apple common history and the workflow system of their products.

Dual-Core production means 'twice' the change of a failed core on the production line - a higher clocked A4 would not cost anymore than a standard core yet these will still have to be produced no matter what phone is released due to the previous revision single model option offered.

CPU manufacturers will often sell multi-cored CPU's as a lower type if it contains unstable cores - a Triple Core AMD Phenom for example - it doesn't exist, it's a Quad Core with One Core disabled due to a reason - whatever the reason the CPU can still be sold as a operating piece of kit instead of scrapped.

The A5, as it stands is an iPad 2 exclusive - to have that taken away from the iPad and incorporated into the iPhone this early will hurt the sales.

 

[UCF Sam]

Dual-Core production means 'twice' the change of a failed core on the production line - a higher clocked A4 would not cost anymore than a standard core yet these will still have to be produced no matter what phone is released due to the previous revision single model option offered.

CPU manufacturers will often sale multi-cored CPU's as a lower type if it contains unstable cores - a Triple Core AMD Phenom for example - it doesn't exist, it's a Quad Core with One Core disabled due to a reason - whatever the reason the CPU can still be sold as a operating piece of kit instead of scrapped.

The A5, as it stands is an iPad 2 exclusive - to have that taken away from the iPad and incorporated into the iPhone this early will hurt the sales.

Lol, no... I could see you saying that if they were going to release an iPhone with a 5 inch screen, but most iPad/iPhone users have no idea what the difference between an A4 and A5 is. Putting an A5 in an iPhone will not effect iPad salse at all. People are buying the iPad because they want the iPad experience, not because of the specs.

 

[jona2125]

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I just hope Juneis the refresh date. September would throw things off a little bit. I'm not complaining or going to argue any of this because I'm just a consumer. My guess is as good as anyones. Apple will do what they feel is right for their products and no matter what people say about the product leaks, which usually are just before the actual product, so why are there all these leaks now and not in July/august. Just my two cents. But all in all there is always someone to complain about apples schedules, products, and choices.

 

[goobot]

iPhone 4S will be the next phone.

The 5 will NOT come out till next year, no way.

The line up for September shall be iPhone 4S 16GB/32GB Black/White OR iPhone 4 8GB/Black.

The S will have the separate flash location, faster Apple A4 and higher clocked GPU - I do not think we will see the A5 until the iPhone 5 next year's June/July.

you seriously have no idea what you are talking about at all.

 

[Meandmunch]

8 Megapixels or stop wasting my time. But seriously if there will be no radical upgrades or form factor changes upping the MP on the camera seems obvious if your trying to motivate new unit sales.

 

[Biolizard]

The S will have the separate flash location, faster Apple A4 and higher clocked GPU - I do not think we will see the A5 until the iPhone 5 next year's June/July.

Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that higher clock speed = more heat. Why do you think they underclock the procs when they put them in the iPhone compared to the iPad? The phone can't dump the extra heat.

And why wouldn't they use the A5? It's there and waiting to be used; no sense at all in continuing to use the A4. Apple can't afford to 'tide over' with the A4 until next year; the market advances too quickly.

 

[MattInOz]

I'm not insisting or asking you to believe me I am simply stating Apple common history and the workflow system of their products.

Dual-Core production means 'twice' the change of a failed core on the production line - a higher clocked A4 would not cost anymore than a standard core yet these will still have to be produced no matter what phone is released due to the previous revision single model option offered.

CPU manufacturers will often sell multi-cored CPU's as a lower type if it contains unstable cores - a Triple Core AMD Phenom for example - it doesn't exist, it's a Quad Core with One Core disabled due to a reason - whatever the reason the CPU can still be sold as a operating piece of kit instead of scrapped.

The A5, as it stands is an iPad 2 exclusive - to have that taken away from the iPad and incorporated into the iPhone this early will hurt the sales.

The iPad is pretty cool (I do love my 1) but lets face it. It's not the bread winner of the family. Apple isn't going to shaft the it's main product in both revenue and exposure terms for the up and coming one. If the iPad wants to be on top of Apples tree it has to fight it's way up and prove it belongs there. Plus hows it going to look when the iPod Touch gets the A5 in September before the iPhone. The A5 is in the wild it has to be rolled into the headline products this cycle.

Ummm.... the ARM A9 cores and the graphics cores and most of the other blocks used in the A5 are really mature at this stage sampling shouldn't be an issue*. Unless their supply is effected by events in Japan then there is nothing to stop them being in the iPhone this year.

Either way they couldn't rely on just using the left overs for such a high demand product. The only product low enough on the food chain to use a core disable A5 would be the AppleTV.

*Not to take away from the A5 but Apple is a leading edge not bleeding edge company. The don't go in to production till it's ready for prime time, but they do want to be there day one.

 

[bbbb4b]

People don't realize that if they put the flash off center like that, it will increase side shadow tremendously...

You're wrong. It will add it very slightly, as it should. This will reduce the washed-out deer in the headlights effect associated with a face-on flash.
Have you ever seen a professional photo shoot? Photographers don't shoot with a flash on top of their camera. Flash unit is on a tripod, off to the side.
What the hell do you do when you shoot a picture in sunlight? Have the subject face perfectly straight at the sun.
Get a clue.

 

[JAT]

Naming conventions will NOT stop money making.

Ok, that made sense. But...

The iPhone 4 was coincidental - 4th Generation and the 4th type.

The 5 will be revolutionary - a White iPhone being released now is a build up to an 'S'.

It's business sense.

...the rest of that was just meaningless letters thrown together. Were there monkeys?

8 Megapixels or stop wasting my time. But seriously if there will be no radical upgrades or form factor changes upping the MP on the camera seems obvious if your trying to motivate new unit sales.

You have no idea what you are talking about. By current marketing-speak, my DSLR has fewer MP than my iPhone 4. (and it's still a current model) But it's funny, the photos from the SLR actually have better resolution, to say nothing of more important picture issues such as color, dynamic range, etc. MP are about the least important factor of a camera. Less important than button placement, IMO.

 

[benadd]

Flash?

I could've sworn the iPhone doesn't do flash

 

[cvaldes]

8 Megapixels or stop wasting my time. But seriously if there will be no radical upgrades or form factor changes upping the MP on the camera seems obvious if your trying to motivate new unit sales.

Screw the megapixels issue, give me ultra-low light performance when shooting video. The shutter speed is about 1/60 sec. when shooting video, we need more sensitive sensors, not pixels.

The resolving power of these miniscule cameraphone lenses is wasted on large image sizes anyhow.

 

[Reach9]

No, I am not kidding you.

Naming conventions will NOT stop money making.

The iPhone 4 was coincidental - 4th Generation and the 4th type.

The 5 will be revolutionary - a White iPhone being released now is a build up to an 'S'.

It's business sense.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

That's not business sense, that's your idea of what should happen, which isn't true.
You should learn more about the company before you make such comments.

 

[MattInOz]

For those who want to see what the iPhone 5 Camera MIGHT be like, Sony's new Xperia Arc phone has the new Camera that Sony developed, and is supposed to be the same camera that Apple is buying from them.

Although I hope they improve it for the iPhone, I noticed it tend to skip a frame or so when shooting video.

But the Xperia Arc's camera has better quality in low light.

So this video might be a sneak peak at the iPhone 5 Camera.

iPhone 4 vs Xperia Arc Camera Test

Screw Megapixels this is what I want from my next camera phone.
Better low light images especially colour accuracy.
I know I tend to use Hispstermatic in those situations cause Black and White or a bit funky is more forgiving, for social memories. Which are the situations I want a good camera phone for and despite the iPhone 4 Camera being really good otherwise any improvement here would be very welcome.

 

[Popeye206]

If they made the flash more powerful, it could be an issue the current arrangement.

Could be. The flash that close may cause a glow affect if it's more powerful?

Hard to tell... but I don't think it's for better red eye reduction or other things such as that. I think it's something physical.

 

[SkottDMD]

The front facing camera looks more like the rumored iPod Nano camera. Given the size of the rear camera I think it's more plausible the source a new iPod Touch and not the next gen iPhone.

 

[diamornte]

The A5, as it stands is an iPad 2 exclusive - to have that taken away from the iPad and incorporated into the iPhone this early will hurt the sales.

Um, Apple did that exact thing last year with iPad 1, bringing the A4 chip into iPhone 4. Doesn't make sense for them to not do so again with A5 and iPhone 5 (or 4S or whatever the 2011 iPhone will be named).

 

[mosx]

He didn't say it was the best camera phone out there, it said it was the best ANDROID camera phone. Nokia is Symbian.

I merely pointed out the video, because that phone uses the same camera that Apple is rumored to be acquiring from Sony.

I think he had very valid points about the comparisons, exposure, light levels and white balance etc.

But I guess that because he disagrees with you, or thinks a rival product to yours had good points about it over the iPhone 4, he clearly knows nothing, was paid by Sony, is a "dirty goat farmer" or as you put it, a combination of all three.

Way to jump right to personal insults about him because he praises aspects of a rival product.

You sir, are a cretin, and a plebeian.


I would be happy for the new iPhone to have this new camera, although as he did say, the iPhone 4 has smoother video, and takes better close up photos.

But this new camera has built in image stabilization, better white balance, has more detailed shots in dim conditions.

I watched that comparison video. The only positive the Sony camera has over the iPhone 4 is image stabilization.

Otherwise, that comparison was terribly flawed.

How?

Well, in the video tests, including one you posted a screenshot of with the turtle, its clear that the person shooting the video was relying on autofocus and not tapping to focus. If he had tapped to focus it would have cleared things up. The iPhone 4's smoother motion clearly gives it the advantage in ALL video situations. Especially with the "noise" issue.

In still shots where he complains about shadow detail, why didn't he use HDR mode?

There are plenty of 3rd party apps out there that more than take care of any "white balance issues". Camera+ has a neat feature that lets you focus on one area but adjust exposure for another area of the frame.

 

[AidenShaw]

What 2011 Iphone?

Um, Apple did that exact thing last year with iPad 1, bringing the A4 chip into iPhone 4. Doesn't make sense for them to not do so again with A5 and iPhone 5 (or 4S or whatever the 2011 iPhone will be named).

After AntennaGate, Apple may decide to wait until June 2012 for the next Iphone.