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I totally agree.

Have they been smoking something funny at Inifinte Loop 1?

Steve would never allow this product OR smoking illegal plants.

You might be too young to remember the original iMac and iBook that came out in a host of colors, not to mention "Flower Power" and "Dalmation" under Steve Jobs.

Hence your are quite incorrect.

The 5c is a hardware upgrade, and a different housing, for a different market than the 5 or 5s. I don't know what Steve would have done in this case, but there are plenty of examples where he started with metal, went to plastic, and back to metal for the PowerBook, iBook, Mac Book, and Mac Book Pro, but always an upgrade in performance over previous models, just as the 5c is.
 
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I see I'm getting alot of negative replies... WHY?!

All I said was that Steve would NEVER allow this to happen. And I stand by that statement....

Once again: Steve would never allow to release a product that is such a BIG step backwards.. Sad day for Apple, sad day for technical evolution and innovation.

But you're assuming that this product is a step backwards, when it really isn't. Do you want one? Probably not. But others like the fact that they are getting a phone with a little better tech than last year's model for less money. I don't want one, because it's not my taste. But let's look at some of the positives of this phone:

Colors. Some people like colors. Especially young people. The iPhone has gotten a bit of a reputation as an old person phone the last couple of years. This provides some hipness. And it's not just about the color on the outside. The way that Apple has coordinated the outside colors with the wallpapers in iOS7 is going to be visually stunning, IMO. Seems minor, but I have a feeling it's not going to appear that way in person.

Durability. I think the plastic will actually fare better than the aluminum body on the 5 (and the 5S).

Battery life. The battery size and life on the 5C is an improvement over the 5.

Price. People who are upgrading from anything earlier than a 5 will get the feeling that they're getting a new phone, and not last year's model. And they're getting the tech for $100 less.
 
Total cost of the 5C with the cheapest AT&T contract would be 95% of the total cost of the 5S with the same contract.

The 5S is a better phone than the 5C.

There is nothing that the 5C is better at than the 5S, and the 5S will have a higher second hand value making the gap over time between the models a lot less than the 5%...

I fail to see who Apple thinks the target is for the 5C.
Except for those who always wanted an iPhone with a permanent plastic case in a hideous color...
 
What are the specs of the Moto X? Or cheaper Lumia models? They're not the same as high end flagship devices. But do people feel they're being cheated? I don't think so. If Apple had called the phone iPhone color with no mention of the 5 at all most people probably wouldn't have thought "last years model".

I'm basing the "feeling cheated" on what Apple has been doing all along. Normally the iPhone 5 would have dropped to the same price as the iPhone 5c which has a better built quality (depending how you define better)

I agree that "most" people likely would not know this is basically a plastic iPhone 5 because not enough people look into anything.

Since they've just branded the year behind phone, given it a name, and created an official slot for it in the iPhone line, I'd expect we will see an iPhone 6 and a 6c. The name will go with the current generation, regardless of internal components. Like Mercedes, we will have C Class and S Class iPhones.

This would seriously be easier if they just dropped last years model like they always have. I imagine they would rather call it the 6c even thought it will be an iPhone 5s in plastic just to keep the names simple.

We'll also see a new look for the C Class iPhones for every major iPhone refresh. iPhone 6, iPhone 7, iPhone 8.

There's also the possibility that they'll go the iPad route and call the next iPhone "The New iPhone".

I hope not. Of course people are still calling iPad by number because it is just easier that way. Which is fine, for Apple it is just the iPad while we can base it on the generation. Wonder if there are too many iPhones to do that.

Personally I think that would be cleaner and more in line with other products. A MacBook Pro is just a MacBook Pro. An iMac is an iMac.

It sounds bad yet makes since at the same time. People will refer to generations like they already do with iPod and Macs based on year. So I maybe it would not be too bad.

So...iPhone. iPhone C. iPhone S maybe.

The only issue I can think of when it gets into the iPhone s generation what? However aside from the used market most people really do not deal with much before the last two years. Not like there is much talk about the 3GS or the 4 anymore so it may sound odd to drop the numbers yet in the end may not matter at all.

I wonder why no black iPhone 5C? - that's a sane colour I'd actually be interested in, especially since they all have the black front. I guess they want you to buy the 5S for that, a bit sneaky in my opinion. No good reason not to do black other than it taking sales from the 5S that I can think of.

Very odd. That would have been the only good looking one from the bunch, white or boring and the others are too half baked with after thought color backs without a matching color front. Even thought I doubt it maybe they can fix that for next year.

Why would anyone want last years hardware wrapped up in plastic for only $100 less? If you're really concerned about $100 then I highly doubt you'd have an iPhone.

Anything other then the newest phone hardly makes any since if going on contact. Save a hundred on the phone and then sign a $2,000 contract. And some would even go for a two year old phone because it is free (hardly) and by the time they can upgrade it would be four years old. I can't imagine using it for that long.

Total cost of the 5C with the cheapest AT&T contract would be 95% of the total cost of the 5S with the same contract.

The 5S is a better phone than the 5C.

There is nothing that the 5C is better at than the 5S, and the 5S will have a higher second hand value making the gap over time between the models a lot less than the 5%...

I fail to see who Apple thinks the target is for the 5C.
Except for those who always wanted an iPhone with a permanent plastic case in a hideous color...

It is suppose to be for those who would normally be getting the marked down iPhone 5 which now have to get these oddly colored phones or just spend a little more and grab the iPhone 5s.
 
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But you're assuming that this product is a step backwards, when it really isn't. Do you want one? Probably not. But others like the fact that they are getting a phone with a little better tech than last year's model for less money. I don't want one, because it's not my taste. But let's look at some of the positives of this phone:

Colors. Some people like colors. Especially young people. The iPhone has gotten a bit of a reputation as an old person phone the last couple of years. This provides some hipness. And it's not just about the color on the outside. The way that Apple has coordinated the outside colors with the wallpapers in iOS7 is going to be visually stunning, IMO. Seems minor, but I have a feeling it's not going to appear that way in person.

Durability. I think the plastic will actually fare better than the aluminum body on the 5 (and the 5S).

Battery life. The battery size and life on the 5C is an improvement over the 5.

Price. People who are upgrading from anything earlier than a 5 will get the feeling that they're getting a new phone, and not last year's model. And they're getting the tech for $100 less.

I pre-ordered 2 5C.

Im loyal.
 
Why no pre-order for the iPhone5s, cant you guys make a mistake or something! Damn!!

The demand of 5C and 5S is far from similar, if the pre-order of the 5S is higher than apple expected, the logistic could be catastrophic .

And, if they both launch at the same time, you can never know how many ppl target 5C as their first choice.
 
I'm basing the "feeling cheated" on what Apple has been doing all along. Normally the iPhone 5 would have dropped to the same price as the iPhone 5c which has a better built quality (depending how you define better)

I agree that "most" people likely would not know this is basically a plastic iPhone 5 because not enough people look into anything.

This would seriously be easier if they just dropped last years model like they always have. I imagine they would rather call it the 6c even thought it will be an iPhone 5s in plastic just to keep the names simple.
That's assuming the production costs of the 5 have come down enough where Apple could reduce the price $100.

That's why I think it was time for Apple to get rid of the pricing structure they had and went to two models - iPhone and iPhone color. One premium and one more budget friendly. Clearly the 5/5S is expensive to manufacture. If people want the premium design buy the flagship.
 
Apple has always done it right. The old MacBooks were constructed from a premium precision engineered poly-carbonate. And it's the same with the 5C. That's why Jony Ive says Apple is unashamed of this, because the product is top quality with absolutely no visible seams. Samsung's are not seamless, they are not rugged, they are flimsy cheap plastic toys.

The Macbooks I had cracked and looked worn after a years worth of usage. For the last few years Apple has gone away from plastic and all the Apple apologists said plastic sucks (paraphrasing of course).

Now all of a sudden because of a video posted for and by Apple, you are telling me that Apple's plastic is top quality because of no seems? I would appreciate an intelligent conversation on plastic quality, but for some reason I am quite certain I will not get this analysis from you if you refer to a competitor's plastic as cheap toys ha.

Thanks for your opinion on Samsung vs. Apple plastic quality though.
 
ALL cell phones come with a monthly bill, most in the $60-80 range if you actuslly want good service. This has always been the dumbest argument, and its been around since day one. All phones require a monthly cost and all smart phones require some sort of data package that also costs extra each month.

Which is why people should aim for the best iPhone you can get. A 24 months contract with $80 monthly bill adds up pretty quick you don't even remember paying for upfront payment. Point is .. why save a "mere $100" for a plastic iPhone when you pay almost $2000 in the end of your plan.
 
That's assuming the production costs of the 5 have come down enough where Apple could reduce the price $100.

That's why I think it was time for Apple to get rid of the pricing structure they had and went to two models - iPhone and iPhone color. One premium and one more budget friendly. Clearly the 5/5S is expensive to manufacture. If people want the premium design buy the flagship.

They have always dropped last years model by a hundred once the newest device is released. That is why this feels a bit cheap when they just tossed the five into some plastic. If it was at least a bit cheaper then I would likely not give it much thought.

I do not have any real issue with the idea if done right. Better price, better colors, match the front to the back and it would be fine for what it is.

Which is why people should aim for the best iPhone you can get. A 24 months contract with $80 monthly bill adds up pretty quick you don't even remember paying for upfront payment. Point is .. why save a "mere $100" for a plastic iPhone when you pay almost $2000 in the end of your plan.

It will never make any sense. If funds are that tight I sure would not be getting a two hundred dollar phone on a $2,000 contract.

These days it is just cheaper to buy a one to two year old phone outright and use Straight Talk. (Service is fine in my area)
 
I may be smoking something here...but i'm convinced the 5c is/was the solution to all of the initial Foxconn QA problems with 5 and scratched Aluminum edging. Simple solution put it in plastic, call it the 5c...revolutionary, magical. and now it appeals to everyone in high school and those longing for the colorful days of apple


Total cost of the 5C with the cheapest AT&T contract would be 95% of the total cost of the 5S with the same contract.

The 5S is a better phone than the 5C.

There is nothing that the 5C is better at than the 5S, and the 5S will have a higher second hand value making the gap over time between the models a lot less than the 5%...

I fail to see who Apple thinks the target is for the 5C.
Except for those who always wanted an iPhone with a permanent plastic case in a hideous color...
 
Which is why people should aim for the best iPhone you can get. A 24 months contract with $80 monthly bill adds up pretty quick you don't even remember paying for upfront payment. Point is .. why save a "mere $100" for a plastic iPhone when you pay almost $2000 in the end of your plan.

Your argument is valid, but not specific to the the 5C. Last year, why spend $99 on the 4S when you could get the 5 for $199. Why buy a Galaxy s3 that is now $49 instead of the Galaxy s4 @ $149.

The argument can be had for every phone on the market. What Apple did here was not make everyone, who maybe can't afford $199 upfront, from feeling like they are spending their hard earned cash on last years model. Now you get a brand new model (i.e. iPad 2 vs. iPad Mini) with newer features for an economic price. If their budget is $99, then their budget is $99, plain and simple. this is no different than buying a $20,000 car or a $40,000 car, just a grander scale

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The Yellow is selling out! :eek:
We are clueless.

My daughter in college just bought one with her own money.
My mother-in-law who is on a fixed budget and who doesn't need or care about the specific differences of the 5S just ordered one
My Mother who is stuck on cruddy Sprint with a 4S just got one
My youngest daughter who currently has a prepaid goPhone that costs me $27 a month for, just ordered one for her.

It has a market, just because its not the market you are in, doesn't mean the market doesn't exist.
 
The Yellow is selling out! :eek:
We are clueless.

Or people are stupid.

I would want to see actual sales numbers, that a product is selling out may be due a lot of reasons. There weren't a lot made, or the company has decided to make it sell out by limiting the number of products available to order.
 
It is suppose to be for those who would normally be getting the marked down iPhone 5 which now have to get these oddly colored phones or just spend a little more and grab the iPhone 5s.

The more expensive the contract is, the less I can understand someone buying a 5C or 4S rather than a 5S.

With the cheapest AT&T contract, the total cost for a 4S ("selling at $0") will be 89% of the total cost of the 5S. And in 24 months that 4S be worth nothing compared to 5S.

Those unable to pay another $100 to $200 when they buy an iPhone probably shouldn't buy a smart phone with a minimum $1680 contract in the first place...
 
The more expensive the contract is, the less I can understand someone buying a 5C or 4S rather than a 5S.

With the cheapest AT&T contract, the total cost for a 4S ("selling at $0") will be 89% of the total cost of the 5S. And in 24 months that 4S be worth nothing compared to 5S.

Those unable to pay another $100 to $200 when they buy an iPhone probably shouldn't buy a smart phone with a minimum $1680 contract in the first place...

Yes.

The phone cost is a very small part of the entire deal. Plus if they bought an iPhone 4s on contract right now they will be stuck with that phone for a couple years. I was on the 3gs for three and a half years (off contract for some of it) and it was feeling old. Four years is just too much for one that likes tech and does not want their device slowing down. (IOS 6)

Even a hundred dollars would buy them a newer phone by a year. Free does not mean much of anything.
 
Yellow
Green Case

~snip~

John Deere.

Great! Honoring all our local farmers. :) I was thinking about that when I ordered mine (green, yellow case). The guy who mows for me was riding his John Deere in the side yard at that very moment...

Well and I got a black case too, for when I want to resemble, you know, a grownup. Next summer maybe a white case too, the keepin' cool look of green and white will be nice for those withering days when even the Catskills get up in the 90s.

I'm psyched! And I was very favorably impressed by the upgrade process this time: it's the first time I was able to complete the thing online, usually ended up having to do it on the phone with a rep (or MORE than one rep) at the carrier. I live in a dead zone, I have two lines and the one that logs into my account for billpay is not the one I'm upgrading, never could see my order status before, was always a huge hassle to get the deal airborne... There seemed no handshaking in the past between Apple and the carrier during the order process. This time, it went like silk. So, kudos to Apple and AT&T for ironing out all those nitty gritty details that impeded my online upgrade in years past.
 
Just got the 5C 32Gb!

Excited to go from my 5 to 5C since it has a better battery, front time FT camera, and new durable design!

After trading in my phone to Gazelle for $335 and buying this, plus a dock, plus Apple Care...I'm breaking even!

PS - Got it on the App!

sucks that the fronttime HD FT camera can't even utilize the HD anymore since Apple got sued by that patent troll and had to rework the way facetime works, which made it bad quality.
 
I have a 5 and typically update every other year. The touch ID and faster chip is nice but as much as I am a die-hard Apple fan, there are two key issues:

1. Next year's 6 needs to come in two sizes, a 4.8-5 inch screen to rival the competitors because people do want bigger, and the current size. And not just keeping the 5S around, but actually offering the new model in two sizes that both get whatever new hardware bells and whistles come along.

2. While I have been beta testing iOS 7 I would have to say that some features are nice, but on the whole there are simply too many mistakes and wrong turns. Getting away from skeumorphism is a good idea, there are still issues with the new iOS. Probably the biggest is the reluctance to make an even larger paradigm shift. This was the first real shakeup and they didn't take advantage of the change to really change. A few features and different colors/icons/styles doesn't count.

Here's to hoping for some real innovation for iOS 8 or 9 in the next year or two as well as with the iPhone 6.

1. People want a ton so stuff that is a bad idea. They just mistakenly think it's a good idea. A larger screen iPhone is one of these ideas. I am glad Apple is doing the right things and not catering to people's misinformed wants.

2. How long did Apple have to work on iOS7? For the timeframe they had iOS7 is amazing. Given even more time it'll be even more amazing.

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Checked the Australian (Apple) site. $869.00 for a iPhone5c 32GB you had got to be kidding me.
I saw that too. That is the reason why the 5C (that I wanted before the keynote) will never by purchased by me.

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Your no skill laborers make 14 dollars and hour. shut it.
There is no need to put that racist comment here like you just did. You can't compare wages because the cost of living differs in different countries.
 
Because the phone is available in so many different colours there will be even less available in each colour. That makes logical sense.

The fact that ALL are still available for day 1 delivery speaks volumes (no pun intended).

For the past few years I've logged on to the store app on launch day at launch second, crash, crash, crash, crash, and when finally get to place my order I miss the launch day delivery.

2 hours in and every colour is still available for day 1 delivery.

This is what I have been trying to say...
Apple failed on this one I'm afraid.

Cook should never allowed this in the first place, I'm completely sure that Steve wouldn't.

Have any of you ever stopped to think that they have improved supply channels to be able to meet demand? Come on man. Lot more wiggle room with the plastic back which means a higher production numbers which equals better supply.

I am not saying they are selling more or less, but you can't extrapolate anything from the fact that they are not sold out in 5 minutes.
 
I keep wondering why people are so against an iPhone with a larger screen?

And time and time again, it seems like the only logical reason is because Apple doesn't give it's customers a choice. They are a one model company. I think people fear if Apple comes out with a 5" iPhone 6, that it will be the ONLY choice, and those who want the smaller screen are left out with no options, and (god forbid) the bigger screen is a smashing success, that the smaller screens will be gone forever. If history is any proof, they might be right.

Maybe that's what Apple needs to do is start offering options, like now with the 5C and 5S (except now it really just a price thing), but next year offer a couple different models of iPhone 6 so that everyone gets what they want.

I'm sick and tired of half the posts from people saying a bigger screen iPhone is ridiculous. I think we all get that it's not for everyone, but everything I read in lots of different articles points to enough people wanting a bigger screen that it makes sense. I'd venture to say maybe even 50/50.

So, with any luck, we'll see two (or more) models of the iPhone 6 and then we'll all be happy!
 
I'll sit out the 5C/5S iteration. My 4 is doing fine, and will get iOS7. I'm waiting for next year's large sized 6" iPhones. That'll give a new experience. If I were to shell out cash for either the 5C or 5S, all I'd be getting is a bit of speed, which never fusses me anyway. These 5C and 5S are a big yawn. Apple deserves to take a hit on its share price.

Your 4 is doing fine? Seriously? That is impressive. Mine is in struggle mode. May have something to do with the less than 500Mb available.
 
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