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Thank you for nitpicking my post. I apologize for not adding the qualifier "proportionately" to my statement. I get that there are more pixels on the 5 than the 4s and I get that it's technically "bigger" but I just don't like the proportions.

You can like it all you want, and the sales numbers show that lot's of people do, but after fiddling with a friend's 5 I don't really care for it.

May I ask what screen proportion you think would be the best? (serious question)

16:9 ratio makes more sense to me than 3:2.
 
This strategy of releasing a re-hash phone every other year will do nothing to boost sales and stop the marketshare bleeding.

You seem to be missing the point here, but you're not the only one. Here's the deal: corporations aren't after pure marketshare like it's some kind of war for the highest %. You know what they're after? Money.

The reason Apple is actually a much more successful corporation than its competitors in the smartphone market despite not having the majority of the worldwide marketshare is because they have a much higher profit margin than them. By far. And iPhone xS models are part of the reason they can get away with such a high profit margin. And you know what? Those phones sell pretty well. Maybe not as much as a complete redesign would, but making money is all about finding the right balance between sales and profit margin, and Apple is doing great in that regard with xS models. They're not being lazy, they're doing what's best in order to maximize profits, just like any corporation should.

And about that "marketshare bleeding", are you aware that Apple is actually keeping their marketshare pretty flat worldwide, despite the market expanding exponentially from the bottom? The hottest segment worldwide in terms of sales numbers right now is <$200 unsubsidized phones for emerging countries. The very fact that Apple manage to keep their worldwide marketshare despite not competing in the cheap unsubsidized market means that they are actually gaining marketshare in their core market, where high-end subsidized phones are more popular, such as the US, and where overall smartphone sales have kind of peaked. And, more importantly for Apple, where high-margin products are popular.

So, overall, Apple is keeping its worldwide marketshare in an ever-expanding market, but actually increasing their marketshare in markets where big profits are made, all that while most of its competitors are actually decreasing their profit margin every year (to a point all of them but Samsung are in negative profits) just in order to stay relevant the smartphone game, and you call that a bleeding? Heh.

For reference:

Worldwide marketshare:
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US marketshare:
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tl;dr: Apple knows how to make money. You apparently don't.
 
So curious what minor upgrades they sell on this model. I'll looking for the 6. I love completely redesigned models.

Since I don't upgrade often I prefer the S version since most of the kinks have been worked out by then.
 
People, we lived in caves and used stone tools for tens of thousands of years. Stop being so damn impatient!..........
 
Keep telling yourself that and MAYBE you'll start to believe it.

Let's see 5s vs 4s: faster processor, a whole new row of icons, and a dual flash camera,,,,

Wow! Revolutionary! Outstanding experience! Deserves to exist! Designed in California!
 
oh great...still the same small 4 inch screen, boring OS (including iOS 7). And NO, the plastic, low cost version with terrible color options isnt going to save Apple this time around. PASS!:rolleyes:


Probably thinks repair shops are what make cars interesting.
 
That's why I don't understand the concept of the 'low cost' phone. They've already got one, the one from two years ago. I can't believe that developing an entirely new phone is going to be more cost efficient than just selling the old one.

They could pack low cost iPhones with really cheap components to get them down below $300 off contract. This is perfect for the international market and won't cross paths with US consumers. Make no mistake, plastic, colored iPhones are not being targeted for the US markets.
 
You would be surprised how ancient the 3.5" screen feels after using the iPhone 5.

I disagree, I have both and still use the 4s as my daily phone. The 5 just feels wrong, probably due to it going farther away from the Golden Ratio instead of nearer to it. Just looks awkward and feels unbalanced in the hand.
 
The good news is Apple is getting this one out of the way sooner, than later. With not much new on the hardware side of things, it's just more of the same. I'm not touching this one for anything. It's the first iPhone model I will be skipping without hesitation

The truly interesting phone should be the iPhone 6..... at least it's nice to think positive. With Apple's penchant for small displays, it may ship with the weird, narrow display that's currently being used. Or they may make it larger, but I'd be surprised if they made it 5".
 
I'm sorry but Apple better start thinking about getting a larger screen iPhone out there. Demand is clearly there, and the Apple's ecosystem is second to none, but...

I stopped by my nearest Best Buy to see what the big deal is about the Galaxy S4 and I must say that Android and that humongous screen are compelling as hell. If Apple didn't have me in ecosystem lockdown (2 iPads, 3 iPod Touches, 27 in iMac, 17 in MBP, 2 Apple TVs), I would have jumped at one of those in a sec.

I see why people like Android, I just don't know the (uniquely personal) cons until I take the plunge, and whether or not it's worth it to abandon the ecosystem, at least in the phone category. However, I consider myself an average consumer and I think that at first glance Android is a perfectly capable and viable alternative to iOS.

But I'm not leaving OSX, or Apple's laptop/desktop hardware. I give Apple until December (when my contract ends) to come up with something, or I'm taking a break from iPhone for a couple.

I made the switch, and I love the screen, but allow me to extol the "virtues" of Android.

- There's no universal backup. You can buy one for 30-40 dollars

- The default email program alerts you, you delete the junk mail (no Swipe to delete), and 30 seconds later the deleted emails are back and you are alerted again. The gmail client works much better, but of course doesn't handle iCloud email, so I get to run two email clients all the time.

- There is no way to reliably synch music with your mac. You can buy "The Missing Synch" for $30-$40. It might work with your device.

- The keyboard text prediction is terrible. You can buy the Swipe keyboard for about $4. That one is nice (improved prediction, numbers above letters - no flipping back and forth). Auto correct still extremely frustrating. Unlike iPhone, if you back up to modify the replacement word, and then go forward again, it will put back the original guess.

-Up to 2 second delay between phone keypress and number appearing on screen. This with 2GB RAM and 2Ghz quad core.

- No badges. I would argue badges are better to have than widgets. You can replace the Launcher (main GUI env) with the Go Launcher, with will give you badges for *some* apps..

But, would I do it again? Yes, I probably would, and that's what should have Apple worried about yet another year with a substandard screen size (allegedly).
 
And?

It's pretty much the same phone as the current 5, with a different camera and some other gimmick feature.

This strategy of releasing a re-hash phone every other year will do nothing to boost sales and stop the marketshare bleeding.


:apple:

Yes. We have to wait for Samsung to copy Apple's new features before you call them innovative.


:rolleyes:
 
How are Android upgrades any different than iPhone except for making the screen slightly bigger? Basically they're all the same these days - improved internals and camera and maybe a redesign for companies like HTC, that need to increase sales. I don't see all these revolutionary changes with competitor phones. What was the revolutionary change between the S3 and S4?
 
What if they kept the phone the exact same size, but there was no bezel on the left or right side of the screen (edge to edge). I've seen some concepts for this and it looks awesome. That way you get a larger screen while the phone itself still fits in your hand quite well.
 
Bye Apple

Had an Ip4 and an Ip5. I now have a Galaxy S4. Thanks Apple. Do some more wine and cheese while Samsung is designing great phones.
 
If it's not going to be glass end at the back (like iPhone 4), I might be holding to my 4s a little longer.

That aluminum back is not going to earn my money.

Ditto. The 4s is a beautiful little phone. The glass back just feels so great in the hands. I will benefit from all around zippiness of the 5 or 5S but it will be quite a letdown. I may have to hold on for a while also.
 
There is something I am looking forward to on the 5s and that is full UK 4G band coverage (which I am guessing will be supported in the next version). Here in the UK only 1 network (EE) supports the iPhone 5 on 4G and that is even once the other networks have 4G up and running later this year.

I wouldn't normally go up an incremental version but this time, if it is included I most certainly will. Although if 3G coverage in Norfolk on Vodafone was actually any good I wouldn't need to worry about it at all!

As for a fingerprint sensor I can see if it is included as an unlock method I would most certainly use it as it is so easy to see someone putting a passcode in.

I am not worried about the rumoured delays, there is always limited availability at launch yet I've never had a problem getting one but perhaps that is just because I have always gone for the larger capacity models.
 
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