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No I understand what he means, but seems at this point Galaxy is a reasonable alternative if size is that important to him. If it likes everything else about the iPhone more then why not go 5S. It's not wider, but it is roomier. Better half a dozen than none at all. Apple isn't likely to fatten the iPhone anytime soon so why keep waiting for Godot so to speak.

Sure I want a larger phone but I do like iOS a lot more than Android and I've got enough invested in iOS that it would be a pain to switch. The reason I stick with the 4S is because the cost of upgrading to what I feel is a marginally better phone isn't worth it to me.

I'll probably get the 6 next year, even if the screen is the same, if only for the spec boost.
 
$199, $299, $399.

Can Apple afford to not start at 32g for $199 on contract? :apple:

The better question is: Can Apple afford to start at 32 GB for $199 on contract? They have to maintain profit margins. The extra ~$10 is a lot over millions of devices.
 
And?

It's pretty much the same phone as the current 5, with a different camera and some other gimmick feature.

This strategy of releasing a re-hash phone every other year will do nothing to boost sales and stop the marketshare bleeding.


:apple:

you don't know that
 
How about for the flagship device starting off at 32GB and going up to 128GB? And the low cost option can be 16/23/64.

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i'm not buying if the only major improvements are the camera and the fingerprint scanner.

Internals of course are going to be refreshed. What more hardware wise can they do (besides larger screen of course)? NFC? Is that such a big deal?
 
Not interested in another minor spec bump. Another year to wait for the 6 and maybe Apple will get off it's laurels and realize their release schedule and predictability of their phone leaves something to be desired in a market full of alternatives.
 
screen size

I'm with the rest of the camp hoping for a 4.5" screen size surprise release. I'm pretty entrenched in iOS and I'm excited about iOS7, so I will likely purchase a 5S, but it doesn't mean I won't test an HTC One and Galaxy this time around before I make my decision in September.
 
Time to retire my 3GS. May get a 5S, or if the lower cost ones are nice maybe I'll try them.
 
And?

It's pretty much the same phone as the current 5, with a different camera and some other gimmick feature.

This strategy of releasing a re-hash phone every other year will do nothing to boost sales and stop the marketshare bleeding.


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Considering a large portion of users are often tied into 24 month contracts, it makes perfect sense. Most adopters of the 5S will be new to the platform or iPhone 4/4S users. Therefore the jump in spec is much more impressive.

Plus Apple isn't 'bleeding' marketshare because of anything they doing wrong. Sales have increased every quarter for the last 6 years. Market share is dropping because the overall market is growing, largely in the low end which is being saturated by feature phones sold as smartphones because they run a 2-3 year old version of Android.
 
Because such a statement makes no sense. What is Apple doing wrong here?

Boring the crap out of everyone with how predictable they are, how they advertise a spec bump as 'revolutionary' and 'incredible'...

Gotta keep it exciting Apple, till then, i'm sticking to my old gear (which is not that much different)
 
Boring the crap out of everyone with how predictable they are, how they advertise a spec bump as 'revolutionary' and 'incredible'...

Gotta keep it exciting Apple, till then, i'm sticking to my old gear (which is not that much different)

Good for you. The rest of us, however, don't need to be wowed every year to appreciate a good product when we see one.
 
The better question is: Can Apple afford to start at 32 GB for $199 on contract? They have to maintain profit margins. The extra ~$10 is a lot over millions of devices.

I'll wager a significant decrease in unit cost for this phone if it is based on the 5 with some new internals. The unknown is the "alleged" Fingerprint Sensor, and it's unit cost. IMO, Apple should start start at 32g. I consider myself an average user. 16g today is not what it was 2 years ago. Unless someone enjoys frequently moving media on and off their 16g device, 32g is much more viable capacity to start with in todays Media. :apple:
 
opinions vary as usual but the sales figure still follows a certain path

whoever handling mine should please be gentle -
no scratches :mad:
finger print sensor please:D
slow movie creation too:rolleyes:
iOS 7 :cool:
 
And?

It's pretty much the same phone as the current 5, with a different camera and some other gimmick feature.

This strategy of releasing a re-hash phone every other year will do nothing to boost sales and stop the marketshare bleeding.


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Like the Galaxy S4. They can't totally redisgn it every six months.
 
You would be surprised how ancient the 3.5" screen feels after using the iPhone 5.

What you'll say next year: "You would be surprised how ancient the 4" screen feels after using the iPhone 6." ;) That is if Apple decides to give us a larger screen next year. Any screen size under 4.5" is "ancient" for a smartphone.
 
And I don't see Apple getting my money for a phone.
I have an Android phone because I want a larger screen.

They will at some point compete on screen size. Not a stupid phablet device but something in the 4.3-4.6" size. They will need to, to penetrate the segment of the market I'm in.

They *ONLY* way to sell me an iPhone is to get a bigger screen.
Others said they wouldn't do an iPad Mini, and I argued that they would. The market was crying for a smaller iPad and they sell in great numbers.

Now the market is crying for an iPhone with a larger display. They will cave, if they want to compete with HTC One and Galaxy 4S.

Hey, I like Apple products.
I own a MacPro, Mac Mini and two MacBook Air 13's.
We have 3 iPads in my house along with 3 iPods.
We also own 3 Android phones because none of us like the screen size of an iPhone. The only way to convert my household is with larger screen. There is no other feature that will get us there.

I didn't say there wasn't a market. I just said its not going to happen next year.
 
oh great...still the same small 4 inch screen, boring OS (including iOS 7). And NO, the plastic, low cost version with terrible color options isnt going to save Apple this time around. PASS!:rolleyes:
 
I am and was fairly disappointed with iPhone 5 form and screen size. As were millions of other potential customers.... so much so that the previous iphone 4 continued to sell incredibly well.

Thanks for speaking up for all those millions of potential customers you can personally vouch for. I am surprised those millions of potential customers settled for an iPhone 4 when they could have just as easily gotten a Samsung or other Android phone for the price of an iPhone 4.

Maybe they chose the iPhone 4 because they wanted to get a quality device that can take advantage of Apple's ecosystem at a lower price?
 
Plus Apple isn't 'bleeding' marketshare because of anything they doing wrong. Sales have increased every quarter for the last 6 years. Market share is dropping because the overall market is growing, largely in the low end which is being saturated by feature phones sold as smartphones because they run a 2-3 year old version of Android.

Exactly.

There's not a contest about who has most market share... just articles that come out every few months that try to paint Apple as "doomed" because they don't have enough market share.

The truth is... Apple sells a ton of phones. More than enough.

And they are rather expensive... phones that start at $450. But Apple phones actually average above $600 !!!

So who cares if the other guys sell more cheap phones and thus have more market share? Like I said... it make a great headline... but I haven't seen any reason to celebrate other than that headline.

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