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Yes. Good points but I failed to mention that I'm still on unlimited data. Once I upgrade I lose it.

Got it. Yeah if you're using a huge amount of data it makes sense for you to stick to that plan. You could probably wait a few months and save ~100 or so once the 5s's start hitting ebay/CL.
 
In effect, we have two separate releases. The 5C which is like a normal iPhone release with preorders opening up a week in advance, and the 5S which is effectively being released in a couple of weeks time.

What we don't know is why Apple decided to actually have the 5S release in stores tomorrow. If the store stock is as low as some reports suggest then there will be (relatively) few units in circulation at that release.

What happens then? Will the stores be being replenished whilst all the orders are still waiting? Will the orders actually dispatch early? Who knows.

The suspicion is that the decision to release today is marketing based, but we will probably never know.

Still, at least it was easy to order. Usually these pages are full of complaints about it taking half an hour to get an order in. If you are around when sales start you should be in the first batch, rather than missing out because the online store keeps booting you out.

No. Only people who don't know anything think it is marketing based. It has been known for a while that the 5S was having yield problems most likely due to the fingerprint sensor. This has been known for at least two months.
 
That is true mostly for non-manufactured items. It isn't as applicable to manufactured items as you drive your customers elsewhere. Apple wants to sell as many of these as possible.

To where? The majority of launch day customers are either people who are off contract and have been waiting for the new iPhone or early adopters who have to have the latest and greatest.

For a lot of customers who are off contract, waiting a few weeks isn't that big of deal. If they wanted an iPhone they suddenly aren't going to buy an S4 or HTC One instead of waiting. If anything, a lot of those customers may weigh if they want a 5c instead.
 
AT&T has been letting me keep my grandfathered data with my last few iPhone upgrades, I haven't been changing my plan just the phone.

Does someone know something I don't?

Gary

Verizon forces people to pay full price if they want to keep their unlimited data. AT&T disables the wi-fi hotspot feature. At least T-Mobile and Sprint have more reasonable policies. Unfortunately, they lack coverage right now.
 
But the iPhone is beyond the point of perceived scarcity. Let's face it. If they announce 4 million sales (or even 5 million) on Monday, or don't announce sales at all the stock will take a hit. It's 50% of Apple's profits. Tim Cook may not be glued to Bloomberg all day watching Apple's stock price, but it's underperformed for a year and I'm sure he's paying some attention to it. I'm sure he'd rather have been in a position to have 10 million iPhone 5s and sell 8 million on launch weekend than to have 4 million on hand and take orders for 8 million.

Remember the 3rd iPad launch didn't have long lines and it was in plentiful supply all launch weekend. There were reports that perhaps it didn't generate a buzz, but they all went away Monday morning at 8:00AM Eastern when Apple announced the first weekend's sales were through the roof.

Sure but you could hit a sweet spot of something like 90% of people with the 5s, 10% without it (in terms of launch day consumers). As long as they sell a huge amount and still get to say it sold out on launch day they're golden. If you have too much stock then people don't think there's much demand for the product. If you don't have enough supply it kills your launch day sales.

Remember most consumers aren't getting their information about Apple's allure from movements in APPL. They get it when they walk up to an Apple store and see a huge line. Or when they walk into a crowded Apple store and see it packed in April. Or when they walk around and see everyone with white earbuds.

Great products set the foundation but marketing builds the skyscraper. Apple couldn't do what they're accomplishing without putting out the hardware/software that they do. But people don't buy great products. People buy what they think are great products. Marketing gets them to think that way.
 
No. Only people who don't know anything think it is marketing based. It has been known for a while that the 5S was having yield problems most likely due to the fingerprint sensor. This has been known for at least two months.

One thing that Tim Cook hasn't changed so far is that in a battle between the engineers and the designers, the designers win. Apple is always testing manufacturing process limits. Apple fans shouldn't be so quick to call for Tim Cook's removal. Likely the CEO that would appeal to the Street would be one who would cut corners.
 
No. Only people who don't know anything think it is marketing based. It has been known for a while that the 5S was having yield problems most likely due to the fingerprint sensor. This has been known for at least two months.

Actually it's only been speculated for several months that there have been production problems and due to the fingerprint sensor. Apple has never confirmed this. It could be true but often an analyst's speculation grows into a fact within the echo chamber.

Example: Everyone seemed to know that Apple was about to release a low cost iPhone in the $400 range so break into the low cost market. False and a big surprise to many.
 
People I think keep forgetting how Tim said that he wants to drive people into the Apple Brick and mortar stores. How better to dothat than this. iPhone go up for sale online with 7-10 day wait times. Stores open tomorrow with thousands picking up phones. Everyone hears about it and goes to store. Tons of extra hype, generation of tons of extra media and sales still happen. ;)
 
No. Only people who don't know anything think it is marketing based. It has been known for a while that the 5S was having yield problems most likely due to the fingerprint sensor. This has been known for at least two months.

There were reports about that but that doesn't mean its 100% certain. Even Ming-Chi Kuo got a few things wrong in his reports (and he was the best out of all the speculators/analysts/reporters). And regardless of the reason, if supplies are constrained it will likely be beneficial to Apple's marketing machine.
 
I live in a small town with less than 10,000 people and I called my Verizon dealer (Cellular Sales) to see if they'd have any iPhones tomorrow morning and they said that yes they will, but they're not sure how many there will be. I'm gonna try my luck going there in the morning. If I can't get my hands on one, then I'll just order and wait like many others.
 
In Store Sales

I'll be curious to see what "In Store" availability is.

There have been several articles about trying to increase in store sales. Perhaps the limited online availability is partly due to that mandate.
 
Everyone always thinks for whatever reason that each and every person is upgrading from an iPhone 5. in my case, I am coming from a 4S and it IS quite a leap going to the 5S.

I went from a 4S to a 5 and that was a huge leap, so you're in for a real treat!
 
I'll be curious to see what "In Store" availability is.

There have been several articles about trying to increase in store sales. Perhaps the limited online availability is partly due to that mandate.

Also the Apple Store app is supposed to be updated to allow us to see in store stock of iPhones. I am getting the feeling that this is the case. Opening online orders with a 7-10 day wait period means "we want you to go to our stores to buy the phone."
 
People I think keep forgetting how Tim said that he wants to drive people into the Apple Brick and mortar stores. How better to dothat than this. iPhone go up for sale online with 7-10 day wait times. Stores open tomorrow with thousands picking up phones. Everyone hears about it and goes to store. Tons of extra hype, generation of tons of extra media and sales still happen. ;)

I agree, even now, a couple of hours after going on sale online the 5S is still showing at 7-10 day dispatch. Either they have had very little online orders or they have enough stock to fulfil those orders.

I definately think this is about getting footfall into stores and cross selling other products, lets not forget with, that said if thats the case why didn;t they take the same tact with the 5C? I think it could be down to footfall and a bit of manufacturing.
 
New iPhones

Went to the local ATT store today to get a new phone for my wife. She decided on the iPhone 5S. We were told we can purchase one on Friday, Sept. 20, but that the phone and all that comes with it will be sent to us via mail in two weeks.

While we were there, a clerk was unpacking a box of 5C's - four of them. It's a small town, but it won't take long to sell those 5C's, which they can do beginning tomorrow - 20 Sept.

Oh, and my wife told the clerk that she'd as soon keep her existing phone, provided they can sell her a new battery for it. The one she has barely holds a charge now. Their answer? "Nope. Now, would you like to see this new iPhone?"
 
I'll be curious to see what "In Store" availability is.

There have been several articles about trying to increase in store sales. Perhaps the limited online availability is partly due to that mandate.

Here in the UK my local store are saying stock is very very limited.
 
We'll wait

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I was able to just sign in to AT&T a complete my purchase for an iphone 5s, then only thing i can think of is i have a service discount through an employer and it was done through the Premier storefront through at&t's site. Immediately it told me they expect it to ship 7-14 days from now.

So 2 things
1) maybe try signing in and doing the upgrade NOW, even though it says 12:01PST.

and
2) shipping estimates are probably not going to be any better for the US than they were in the UK and Australia.

figured id pass along the info.
 
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I was calling around today to see what to expect in the morning. Local AT&T store told me they had very few 5s in stock and to be there at opening if I wanted one. I called Best Buy out of sheer curiosity and surprisingly was told they had tons of the AT&T models and I should be able to pick one up at any time tomorrow. I was so blown away I called back later and asked again, spoke with a different associate, who told me the same thing. I even specified it was the 5S and not the 5C and they confirmed.

Needless to say, I'm upgrading my phone at Best Buy tomorrow for the first time.
 
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