iPhone 5S to Get Upgraded Camera and Processor, Could Ship to Retailers in the 3rd Quarter

[maroontiger2k9]

(Disclaimer: I hate to be that guy, but it's getting pretty ridiculous now...)

I know it's to be expected, but if that's all, then I really hope that Apple has something really amazing up their sleeves for iOS 7...

Where's the innovation that we know and love?!

i have to agree... i'd rather they push back the next official iphone 4-6 months than have another iphone-S that only has a camera and CPU upgrade

apple is going to have to become more ambitious with their product releases... adding the low-cost iphone is not going to be good enough...

i have an iphone 4, looking to upgrade in august and at a minimum, i want to see NFC in the iphone 5s

 

[iGrip]

but it's a great device that still receives updates.

That's the great benefit of the platform iOS.

If that is the greatest benefit, then Apple is in much deeper trouble than most people even suspect.

 

[JayCee842]

I'm sure it will have much more new features. Right?

 

[alfonsog]

For the mass market integration is pointless. Everyone I know now uses their iPhone as a stand alone device. Most never sync to a computer. Most have no clue about iCloud or saving contacts and when they get a new iPhone just manually re-enter their contacts or send a facebook message with their new number and say text me your numbers... especially the teens that work for me that somehow keep breaking and getting different every other week and changing their numbers. Half are using broken screen phones waiting for their "free" upgrade although a bunch have switched to straighttalk. Everyone is sharing their "ex's" iTunes account. It's a mess out their when you don't just cater to "geeks" like Apple used to.

 

[iGrip]

Who in the hell drew that chart, look at the axis, 0-5-9-14 are they on crack? Wouldn't EVER trust anyone that skews figures like that.

I know, right? When I see graphs like that, I ignore the data. I can sleep better at night, and I don't have to face the truth.





/s

 

[cgsnipinva]

For the mass market integration is pointless. Everyone I know now uses their iPhone as a stand alone device. Most never sync to a computer. Most have no clue about iCloud or saving contacts and when they get a new iPhone just manually re-enter their contacts or send a facebook message with their new number and say text me your numbers... especially the teens that work for me that somehow keep breaking and getting different every other week and changing their numbers. Half are using broken screen phones waiting for their "free" upgrade although a bunch have switched to straighttalk. Everyone is sharing their "ex's" iTunes account. It's a mess out their when you don't just cater to "geeks" like Apple used to.

They don't have to "sync" - it happens automatically in both Google and iOS.

in google - anything you enter into your android phone - automatically updates to the cloud and when you get a new phone and enter your gmail account - it all appears on your phone - no one enters anything new on the phone.

Same with iOS - you get a new phone - enter your Apple ID - boom - it is there - no re-entry required. All the younger people working for me manage their data that way. Not sure where you are seeing what you are stating. All the youngest people manage their data through Google/iCloud through a browser and access this data through their devices.

 

[lilo777]

Are people really complaining about a 5S with upgraded internals and no hardware change but yet are claiming Samsung is innovating and are ready to buy a galaxy S4 (S3S) when's that phone is almost identical to the S3??
O wait they did make the screen bigger by .19 inches!!!! OMG Samsung is innovating so much I CAN'T TAKE THIS EXCITEMENT!!!!

Apple just release the new iPhone with a 4.19 inch screen and innovate again please.

Let's see. S4 has the following updates (partial list):

* new screen tech (new AMOLED with different subpixel arrangement and much higher pixel density)
* bigger screen
* much higher screen resolution
* new camera sensor (much higher resolution)
* new CPU/GPU
* temperature sensor
* humidity sensor
* IR sensor
* IR blaster

Not to mention that SGS3 already was packed with features (wireless charging, NFC, RGB LED indicator, barometer, memory cards etc.)

That's way more new features than iPhone 5 had. I understand it might cause your frustration but be reasonable, don't say ridiculous things.

 

[aperry]

OK, the keyword is seamless

Google doesn't offer music and movies in all countries, and if you are on laptop, you have to be logged into your Google account for some services, it doesn't "just happen".

Anyway it's your choice, try Android try Google maybe you'll be happy, maybe not. I am happy to ged rid of most Google services, I don't want to be abused by this data miner, whose customers aren't users, but advertisers, you can see that clearly on canceling Google reader, no money from it, no services for users, they would do same with Youtube or Maps, if they would not be able to get money from it... If I would have to switch from Apple, I would rather go WP.

In this context I would say the word "seamless" is quite subjective. I don't want to be required to purchase an app (iPhoto) and load it along with my entire photo library just to get my last iPhone photo. That's still how you do it, right? I gave up on this a while ago. I'm not sure that even qualifies as an OSX integration, much less a seamless one.

Regarding the music and movies, I don't know or really care personally. I'm sure others do. I don't buy content on iTunes generally.

I will say that, like you, I'm pretty shocked and disappointed in Reader being canceled. But I don't think you can make sweeping generalizations about Google only caring about revenue, when Apple has a history of selectively disabling certain new features in older iPhones so that people will buy new hardware. They're both big companies focused solely on revenue. They do it very differently, but neither one is really on your side when it comes down to your needs versus revenue.

 

[iGrip]

So the question would be "what is the ideal phone screen size"?

3.5 inches. Apple did extensive testing, and determined that 3.5 inches is optimum. That is why most of the phones that they offer use 3.5 inch screens.

What really would be great is a bigger screen without an increase phone size (no rims)

That is what Samsung did. The S4 has a bigger screen than the S3, but actually has smaller dimensions. But since 3.5 inches is the optimum, all that Sammy did was take a step backwards.

 

[iChrist]

typically contracts are 2 years, so we have two patterns.
iphone -> 3gs -> 4s -> 5s
and
iphone 3g -> iphone 4 -> iphone 5

I don't think it's Apple's intention to encourage users to upgrade every single year, it's just for those that are on the offset +1 year that need a reason to renew their contract.

Thank you for the breakdown of past iphone releases, captain obvious. But you are very wrong. Apple certainly wants to people to upgrade as much as possible, because... uhhhh.... it is in the business of selling things.

Perhaps what people are saying, just a guess, is that Apple needs to stop people from getting bored of re-hashes and jumping to Android phones with updated UIs and better screens.

 

[iGrip]

So people are going to buy an S4 based on a rumor from DigiTimes?
Why the *!%* does MR even post something like this on the main page?

So that its readers can make rational choices and know in advance that the 5S is not worth waiting for.

 

[rcalderoni]

It's a shame. They definitely acknowledge the competition, as Schiller's comments prove, yet they're not driven to actually do anything about it.

Assuming this report is true of course.

I don't think the target audience with the S models are the people who got the previous one. I think it's actually the opposite, they don't want to release something so much better so soon that they alienate the customers who just got the previous model.

 

[AppleScruff1]

I think that if this is what the 5S upgrades will be, it explains the Schiller interview and the Why I love my iPhone campaign. IMHO, they are preparing the public not to expect any big changes.

 

[iChrist]

Are people really complaining about a 5S with upgraded internals and no hardware change but yet are claiming Samsung is innovating and are ready to buy a galaxy S4 (S3S) when's that phone is almost identical to the S3??
O wait they did make the screen bigger by .19 inches!!!! OMG Samsung is innovating so much I CAN'T TAKE THIS EXCITEMENT!!!!

Apple just release the new iPhone with a 4.19 inch screen and innovate again please.

Wow dude. What is wrong with you?

 

[kis]

So, 4" is not larger than 3.5"? Got it. Thanks for the math lesson.

The iPhone 5 doesn't have a proper 4" screen.

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3.5 inches. Apple did extensive testing, and determined that 3.5 inches is optimum. That is why most of the phones that they offer use 3.5 inch screens.

except that the buyers disagree - but I guess if they did extensive testing, they must be right.

 

[DaffyDuck]

I agree. I would go as far as to say that if HTC had a marketing budget the size of Samsung's, they could probably sell just as much as the S4. The S4 and its slew of gimmicky and ultimately useless features left a lot of be desired. The HTC One looks like a premium, well built powerhouse of a phone and serious competition to the iPhone 5.

The features added to the HTC are more clearly not gimmicky compared to the S4, like dual front facing speakers and Zoe. Not sure about Blinkfeed though.

HTC's problems are marketing and economies of scale. They don't sell enough to get the kind of volume deals that Apple and Samsung get and therefore are probably not making as much profit per device. If they are so confident in the One, they need to be borrowing money and using it to market it. They also need to release fewer phone iterations and support their flagship phones with software updates for 2 years at least.

 

[Irishman]

The iPhone 5 doesn't have a proper 4" screen.

Not proper according to whom? Because it's 16:9?

 

[alfonsog]

They don't have to "sync" - it happens automatically in both Google and iOS.

in google - anything you enter into your android phone - automatically updates to the cloud and when you get a new phone and enter your gmail account - it all appears on your phone - no one enters anything new on the phone.

Same with iOS - you get a new phone - enter your Apple ID - boom - it is there - no re-entry required. All the younger people working for me manage their data that way. Not sure where you are seeing what you are stating. All the youngest people manage their data through Google/iCloud through a browser and access this data through their devices.

They don't use the Apple ID or whatever, or usually they just sign up for a new one or share it. You don't have to use iCloud I guess. These people have no real computer skills, just how to use a web browser and facebook. I own a restaurant and these kids are more interested in how they are going to get smashed after work than anything else...

 

[Slayter]

They're both big companies focused solely on revenue. They do it very differently, but neither one is really on your side when it comes down to your needs versus revenue.

Agree that they are big companies focused on revenues. But, for Apple you are their customer, they sell you services and HW. They don't sell your data to 3rd party, they don't lure you to use "free" email service, "free" search service and so on to do so. When Apple discontinue service on one device it's usualy bc it's no longer capable. See iP3G on ios4..that was terrible experience. When Google discontinues it's service, then it's a shame for everybody even with SGS 4 in pocket..

 

[cgsnipinva]

Let's see. S4 has the following updates (partial list):

* new screen tech (new AMOLED with different subpixel arrangement and much higher pixel density)
* bigger screen
* much higher screen resolution
* new camera sensor (much higher resolution)
* new CPU/GPU
* temperature sensor
* humidity sensor
* IR sensor
* IR blaster

Not to mention that SGS3 already was packed with features (wireless charging, NFC, RGB LED indicator, barometer, memory cards etc.)

That's way more new features than iPhone 5 had. I understand it might cause your frustration but be reasonable, don't say ridiculous things.

Most of the innovation you list has to do with the screen - which is not really "innovative" but just bigger and higher pixel density. That is a spec upgrade not innovation.

They have a high pixel camera which DOES NOT always translate into better pictures. The HTC one went with a higher quality 4 MP camera with better light adjustment. I have a 5 MP android phone that takes crappy pictures compared to my old Kodak 4 MP digital camera.

Apple's 5MP camera is VERY good and takes great pictures - if they upgrade that with enhanced lighting options - it will be better than the S4 camera. The only advantage is a larger screen. If Apple increases the pixel density of the Retina display it could be better than the AMOLED display as it has the proprietary technology to address color edging and unique sub-pixel arrangement as well that is patented under the Retina patents.

There is a lot less behind the S4 than the hype has provided.

 

[DaffyDuck]

Are people really complaining about a 5S with upgraded internals and no hardware change but yet are claiming Samsung is innovating and are ready to buy a galaxy S4 (S3S) when's that phone is almost identical to the S3??
O wait they did make the screen bigger by .19 inches!!!! OMG Samsung is innovating so much I CAN'T TAKE THIS EXCITEMENT!!!!

Apple just release the new iPhone with a 4.19 inch screen and innovate again please.

I think most people are not talking about the screen when they refer to innovation in the S4, however, they did make the screen larger while decreasing the size of the phone. The screen has the smallest borders of any phone and I think they deserve credit for that. I still think it's an ugly phone though and hate the location of the speaker and how the back looks in general.

 

[cgsnipinva]

They don't use the Apple ID or whatever, or usually they just sign up for a new one or share it. You don't have to use iCloud I guess. These people have no real computer skills, just how to use a web browser and facebook. I own a restaurant and these kids are more interested in how they are going to get smashed after work than anything else...

you dont need computer skills with this - you are spouting nonesense. They do know what their Apple ID is just like they know their Gmail Account - which identifies all their google services. It is no harder than logging into their Facebook account which is what you just said they already do. If you have iTunes and buy music - which is what I am sure they all do - they need to enter their Apple ID - or if they use Google Music - you need your gmail account and password.

When you get a new phone that is one of the first things it asks you. YOu cannot use mail on the Android phone without putting in your Google User Id and password.

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[linuxcooldude]

The success story seems to be following the trajectory of the Mac. 1. Apple trolls through other companies' innovations, selects some and puts them together. 2. Other companies start doing the same, and surpass Apple's efforts. 3. Apple is relegated to selling a niche product to diehard fans, with little interest from the mainstream user.

When the iPad came out all the other competitors released tablets that could not match the quality & price of the iPad. So they had to sell below in the $200.00 realm, some not even breaking even, but selling at a loss.

Apple never had much success with the Mac, not compared to the iPhone. But other than that, the two stories seem quite similar. Time will tell.

While PC sales have been declining year after year, Macs sales slowly continued to increase.

There will be a HUGE public announcement, with a slew of highly paid executives onstage telling us how they cream their pants just thinking about the insignificant improvements.

At least we don't have to watch an hour long Broadway musical, with singing & dancing and comedy skits.

 

[Nale72]

That's fair. It does appear that when you go with a non-Nexus phone, you're at risk of slow updates. That would be frustrating.

Frustrating for geeks like us here on forums like this. But I guess that 90% of "normal" iPhone/Android users don't care what OS version they have as long as it works. If you go out on the streets and ask 10 random people with an Android phone or iPhone I'm pretty sure the majority of them don't have a clue what version they have on their OS.

 

[aperry]

Agree that they are big companies focused on revenues. But, for Apple you are their customer, they sell you services and HW. They don't sell your data to 3rd party, they don't lure you to use "free" email service, "free" search service and so on to do so. When Apple discontinue service on one device it's usualy bc it's no longer capable. See iP3G on ios4..that was terrible experience. When Google discontinues it's service, then it's a shame for everybody even with SGS 4 in pocket..

I know that Google's free products are based on advertising. Me and 300 million other people continue to use products such as GMail nonetheless and so far the advertising hasn't affected me one bit. I'll take it! But I wouldn't argue with someone who's turned off by the idea of ads being presented to them based on the content of their emails. To each his own.

Of course, Apple does this too and they continue to get in hot water over things like location tracking and personal information collection in their mobile advertising framework. So if this kind of thing is really upsetting to you, then you probably shouldn't be buying Apple devices either.