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- Home screen as is, then swipe left as you do now to move through the pages.

- Swipe right to move to and through any widget style pages, so you could have things on there like weather, notifications, facebook, twitter feeds if that was your thing.

- The option to select either the first existing style page or first new widget style page as your default homescreen..

Why make it so complicated? I think people who haven't used an Android phone misunderstand how widgets and the Android screens/pages work.

Just because you have the option to add a widget to a page doesn't necessarily have to make the page a certain style. It's not that you have to use widgets on an Android phone just becuse it's possible to.

If you want to, you can set it up just like an iphone, filling your pages with endless rows of static icons/folders. If you want it clean, with nothing except a background or mix with witgets and apps you can do that also.

So all widget haters can relax. Even if Apple would add the option to add widgets to iOS (which I doubt will happen) it would be an option, so that those who hate widgets can keep on having the widget-less static pages on their iPhone. But why not let the people who want widgets (many jailbreak their iPhones just to get quick settings toggles and widgets and many more would appreciate them if they were available)have the option to add them?
 
The SGS IV is not even released yet and has not gone through any real reviews. The first impression reviews were all pretty blah.

No. They weren't all "pretty blah." A bunch were. Some were quite glowing. Hyperbole is hyperbole.
 
Personally I'd rather they skip the S, give us a little innovation and put a new 6 out next year. Bigger screen, changes to iOS, give Siri a French accent. That kind of thing. Throwing a letter on the end of the name and asking us for another $500 is getting old. Not just with Apple, but all the phone makers who want to take baby steps and charge us premium.

No offense... but bigger screen and French Siri are not my idea's of innovation.

Innovating the smart phone at this point is not going to come in the current metaphor we call a smart phone. The iPhone 1 was the last true innovation in this area and everything... including big advancements like Retina screen are just that.... big advancements. Not innovations.

The best chance of any real innovation showing up this year will come from a product we have not seen.

The best chance we have seeing something really cool this year will come from iOS.
 
A new camera and a slightly faster processor... I'll keep my iPhone 4 and wait to see if the 6 is any better. :(

This thing will be about 6-8x faster than your iPhone 4, and have a camera with 1.5x the pixel count. Yet the battery life is about the same.

But they might put wings on the iPhone 6, if that's what you're waiting for. Seriously, the hardware is nothing more than a processor, a camera, a screen and a battery, regardless of which smartphone. If they update two of them, hey, what else could you ask for.

The iPhone 5 is so fast that it could easily cope with most people's non-professional desktop needs when hooked up to a 24" 1080p screen, at some point the performance gets ridiculous. A iPhone 5S with the same performance but 1.5x the battery life might be worth considering.
 
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No offence Apple but with story's on the BBC news website questioning your innovation and 9to5mac slamming the Retina Mac book Pro problems then you need a hell of a lot more then a slightly improved camera and processor!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21857393

http://9to5mac.com/2013/03/20/macbook-pro-with-retina-display-problems-in-every-dimension/

Here's hoping iOS 7 has something to offer and that we get a cheaper iPhone.

Pretty sure the BBC was just trying to get the name out for a UK based consultancy. The survey is pretty hard to take seriously.
 
i can already imagine aapl dipping below 400 by the end of the year.

I don't think so. According to most users on this forum anything higher than the present dpi is overkill and just negative. You can't see any difference above the current dpi and it will have a dramatically negative effect of your battery life.
 
typically contracts are 2 years, so we have two patterns.
iphone -> 3gs -> 4s -> 5s
and
iphone 3g -> iphone 4 -> iphone 5

I don't think it's Apple's intention to encourage users to upgrade every single year, it's just for those that are on the offset +1 year that need a reason to renew their contract.

Quite the contrary, it serves Apple very well for customers to upgrade every year, however, it servers CARRIERS very well for Apple to do a once-in-two-years redesign.
 
Quite the contrary, it serves Apple very well for customers to upgrade every year, however, it servers CARRIERS very well for Apple to do a once-in-two-years redesign.

nobody at apple expects normal people to upgrade annually. they update their models annual just like tvs, stereos, cars, and laptops. do you upgrade those annual? if you do, you're nuts.

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Personally I'd rather they skip the S, give us a little innovation and put a new 6 out next year. Bigger screen, changes to iOS, give Siri a French accent. That kind of thing. Throwing a letter on the end of the name and asking us for another $500 is getting old. Not just with Apple, but all the phone makers who want to take baby steps and charge us premium.

you're not supposed to upgrade every year. durrr
 
If the body was solid, I could accept an "S" update. But this thing chips paint like nobody's business. Why should I have to wait 2 years before they fix the hardware issues? :rolleyes:

please link us to some painted phones than are immune to scratching when not protected. very curious.
 
The Widgets like weather and stocks are already on the notifications screen. You can already use Siri to open any app on the device.

Well, there's a big difference between having for example your nearest calendar appointments, latest text messages or latest e-mails already shown on the screen and scrollable when you wake your phone up and "starting up" Siri, asking to open the app and get it to open. From what I've noticed speed is everything, since a milisecond of lag on the Android phones when you shall open an app is a horrific experience that makes them more or less useless ;).
 
(Disclaimer: I hate to be that guy, but it's getting pretty ridiculous now...)

I know it's to be expected, but if that's all, then I really hope that Apple has something really amazing up their sleeves for iOS 7...

Where's the innovation that we know and love?! :apple:

how can you be overlooking the 5 itself already? it's an all metal, unibody cell that is wicked thin and light. it's like a well built watch, not a mobile. that engineering process IS innovation.
 
If we forget our love of all things tech for a moment I think we can probably all agree that the only thing Apple has to do with the "5S" is make it available in a rainbow of colours and the general public will go ******* insane for it.
 
No offense... but bigger screen and French Siri are not my idea's of innovation.

Innovating the smart phone at this point is not going to come in the current metaphor we call a smart phone. The iPhone 1 was the last true innovation in this area and everything... including big advancements like Retina screen are just that.... big advancements. Not innovations.

The best chance of any real innovation showing up this year will come from a product we have not seen.

The best chance we have seeing something really cool this year will come from iOS.

Stop making sense here. People want to whine.

It's just easier than accepting facts or think.

As mentioned in other threads ad nauseum, this category has matured to a point where there will not be much more one can cram into these smartphones.

Speed, memory 128 GB and up) would be nice, pixels, retina, screen size, and a few things that have since matured (fingerprint recognition, NFC etc.etc. is all we will see.
When somebody calls for innovation I have to cringe.

Short of having a chip that does everything implanted into our brains, my iphone does everything I need it to do. Probably the same for 90% of iphone users.

The 10% who bitch and moan about specs, size, closed system etc. can find alternatives easily if they tried.

Since my contract is up this year, I'll upgrade to the 5S. It will again be just fine for what I do with it.

Wouldn't be surprised if the whiners rarely even use all the features they are asking for.
 
Pretty sure the BBC was just trying to get the name out for a UK based consultancy. The survey is pretty hard to take seriously.

Really? I wouldn't know so would have to go with you on that, what's worrying is its bad press and the investors are already shaky enough!

Any idea what it should be? If you want something cheap, do you expect to get high quality?

Well they could charge £350 to £400 for it, cheap for an iPhone and offer 16 and 32gb sizes, a 3.5 or 4" screen with retina and 512 mb ram and a dual core gpu and CPU, plastic casing and a decent camera like the 4s or the what may be old iPhone 5 camera. Also have a slower lte chip or no lte at all etc. If therapy make iOS 7 killer enough it would be a big seller I think.
 
No offense... but bigger screen and French Siri are not my idea's of innovation.

Innovating the smart phone at this point is not going to come in the current metaphor we call a smart phone. The iPhone 1 was the last true innovation in this area and everything... including big advancements like Retina screen are just that.... big advancements. Not innovations.

The best chance of any real innovation showing up this year will come from a product we have not seen.

The best chance we have seeing something really cool this year will come from iOS.

What you are referring to is the difference between incremental innovation and disruptive innovation. Many people do not know this distinction and its connection to the maturity of markets.

Most markets are created by a disruptive innovation: Lightbulb, T-Ford, iPod, iPhone, iPad etc. Other players subsequently enter the market and the products become commoditized and innovations start to become incremental. Good example: smartphones.

There will be NO disruptive innovation in the mobile space from Apple and the likelihood of anyone else succeeding in doing that is getting smaller also. If people would realise the mechanics of markets than we would have much less of this useless bickering about specs and innovation , and who is innovative and who isn't.
 
3GS, S = Speed
4S, S = Speed & Siri
5S, S= Singerprint Sensor & Speed

afraid that this 5S won't be enough for people to upgrade let alone switch from other platform. hopefully iOS 7 will bring something new.

I'm more of the opinion that the "S" is for Second Generation. All the "S" series are just evolution bumps in the current model. Nothing really stands out on them.

To me, a fingerprint sensor would be a waste of a feature. If these rumors of the 5s in this current form are true then I would rather save my money for the next iPad mini with hopefully, retina display and CPU bump.
 
if it really gets only a minor spec bump and a little better camera, then suddenly the cheaper iphone 5 is going to be a pretty good deal for the lowered price its going to get
 
If that is it from Apple then it will be a dead duck on arrival.

Up until the jump from 4 to 5 I have been very eager to get the latest iPhone but when the 5 came out it really did not rock my world. To the point I put the fact I would need to replace all my chargers and sign up for another 2 years with AT&T as a deal breaker.

Innovation is currently dead in the phone market.

5 vs 4 : over twice the CPU, 4x the gpu, twice the ram isn't it? LTE, new antenna system, rocking camera, taller screen, all metal construction, amazing,y thin and light. if that isn't reason to upgrade from a 4 then maybe you need a new hobby.

but you're right that phones are naturally reaching the state of pcs and laptops -- they're maturing and there's only so much you can do.

btw if you get an adapter you can use your old chargers. but lightning is way sleeker than the decade old 30-pin.
 
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