Wow, so the 5c can't even outsell the Galaxy S4? Failure.
Or rather, good product, wrong price.
Since it's pretty much an iPhone 5 with a candy coated shell shouldn't it compete with the GS3?
Maybe that was sarcasm...
Wow, so the 5c can't even outsell the Galaxy S4? Failure.
Or rather, good product, wrong price.
You keep spouting off the same garbage. Quit it already. The month-to-month price of the S4 on Verizon is $599. The 5C is $549. You're being a major troll claiming it's double the price.
What on earth are you talking about? Why would you do this?
If it's backgrounded apps using CPU that you're worried about, you can block that (either globally or per-app) in settings > general > background app refresh. But this isn't Android - most apps are well behaved and aren't going to drain your battery in 2 hours the moment you let your guard down.
So you're equating 175M iPhones to 3% market share? Based on what, exactly?
Again you have no evidence to support any of that any of your claims. When the iPhone was first launched it was not expected for them to get More than 1% of the market this as this was publicly stated by Apple. For you to say what they're doing now is a failure is just pure nonsense and you have no facts to back it upIt depends on how you define "success" and "failure". To Apple, losing that 2nd place is enough to call it a failure. 4S was able to keep that 2nd place last year.
You were only looking at the number in Sept., when 5c was fresh and hot. It soon lost the 2nd place at Sprint in Oct., then also lost that 2nd place at AT&T in Nov. It holds no "number 2" anywhere in Nov.
No that was my point that 13 month old Apple tech is better than androids current tech.
I guess it's a matter of perception or preference
again why you so stuck on android Samsung and Google are about to dump android
I've never dealt with Samsung cs, so I have no idea what it is like. In over 20 years of using cellular phones, I have never had to deal with a manufacturers customer service or with a cellular providers cs for anything hardware related- I'm not including a dumb phone that I dropped and broke and got replaced with a refurb many years ago. Apple's cs would be tough to equal or beat.
But with Apple, it is last years tech with current day tech prices.
You are paying $849 for it - and then some!
Because your monthly bill is about 5x higher than what people are paying for equivalent, or better, service (without subsidized handsets) in other countries.
You are so bad at comprehension!
Already repeated that it's about a future. By that time IF Apple still insists on selling only high-end phones, for sure it could not sell 175M a year.
True. And personally the 5c is the best feeling iPhone I've ever held.
On a side note. The age of the tech/price/UX discussions have never gone anywhere in most forums. Apple users bring up UX when they can't compete against tech, and Android users bring up tech when they can't beat the UX (or in reality the ecosystem).
It's a rather tired back and forth.
now Apple has the tech and the user interface now what. Android won't have 64-bit technology for years to come. When Apple comes out with a larger phone it's game over!Actually, what you're saying is that Apple's 13 month old tech is better than Samsung's 9 month old tech. So 4 months is really what you're arguing.
Yes, so we really need to stop brining it up.
Link please.
On a side note, I searched and found one moot article, and one that suggests Google may/was/have been/should think about dropping Android to develop ChromeOS as the "new" platform.
Which I totally agree with. Android's ecosystem is abysmal. Going from the web browser, to the phone, to the tablet, to the desktop apps, to the web based apps, etc. is like moving forward and backward in time.
Agreed, and Appel's CS is hard to beat because it's been custom built around the Mac and accessories with a small marketshare. The iPhone changed that for both the industry and Apple. Most of what Apple does now for tech service is replace the phone outright (and count it as a new activation/sale). Only recently have they begun to do actual repairs in house.
True. And personally the 5c is the best feeling iPhone I've ever held.
On a side note. The age of the tech/price/UX discussions have never gone anywhere in most forums. Apple users bring up UX when they can't compete against tech, and Android users bring up tech when they can't beat the UX (or in reality the ecosystem).
It's a rather tired back and forth.
I think that the 5C is easier to hold than the 5 and 5S, maybe even the 4. The 5 and 5S are quite slippery IMO and you really need to make sure you have a good grip on it or it will slip right through your fingers. The 5C has a better in hand feel, again IMO. I personally don't care for what they have done with the colors, yet I find that a few of the Nokia's in bright colors don't look bad. I can't quite put my finger on the looks part, maybe the Nokia colors or more vibrant or flashy while the Apple colors are softer.
now Apple has the tech and the user interface now what. Android won't have 64-bit technology for years to come. When Apple comes out with a larger phone it's game over!
YES!
And the 5c begs to not be in a cover all case. I'd like them to make a product Red version.
yes we do have next year and Apple will continue on their steady consistent pace. On the other hand Samsung an android and Google has shot their load trust me on that one. 64-bit is not in the near future and it's just a pipe dream for SamsungYES!
And the 5c begs to not be in a cover all case. I'd like them to make a product Red version.
Well, there's always next year.
But more importantly, we can always bring up the arguments that iOS users still rest on. Tech isn't everything. Not every app is 64 bit, next year is right around the corner, the iPhone 6 will only introduce 6 columns of apps but not have any real UX changes, etc. etc.
No where.
then please explain why Apple is the most profitable PC maker in the PC market? they eat the lion's share of profit, despite very small market share.
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Wow, so the 5c can't even outsell the Galaxy S4? Failure.
Or rather, good product, wrong price.
No it's not fair because when mid range Android or Windows phones come out no one asks/questions how old the tech is. But with the 5C all we hear is how Apple is trying to pass off year old tech as something new.
The one thing that matters most in business is if their product is making them a profit. Even if it is 3rd place behind the 4S, it's still making Apple a bundle of cash, so I doubt they consider it a failure.
This isn't a race where first is the winner, and everyone else goes home without the glory. It's selling and selling well. That's all that matters.
They are not, until Apple allowed its Mac to install Windows, and actually pre-installed an application to help users do that. Before that Mac market share had been constantly dropping, to as low as 2%. Now with the help of dual-boot, it regained over 10%.
Again you have no evidence to support any of that any of your claims. When the iPhone was first launched it was not expected for them to get More than 1% of the market this as this was publicly stated by Apple. For you to say what they're doing now is a failure is just pure nonsense and you have no facts to back it up
That has nothing to do with Apple. Smart phone manufacturers realize they can only buy up so much marketshare because before it becomes a problematic business model. At some point they have to turn a profitBecause 5c is priced as a high-end smartphone, so it is reasonable for people to have high requirement on it.
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But Apple is obviously growing slower than the average smartphone industry. And, Apple used to get over 90% of this industry's profit, while it only gets less than half of that now.
But Apple is obviously growing slower than the average smartphone industry. And, Apple used to get over 90% of this industry's profit, while it only gets less than half of that now.
What does that have to do with being the most PROFITABLE PC Maker?
Now I see that you're assuming more market share = more profit. I'll let you in on a little secret: Apple doesn't care if its overall market share decreases as long as they are selling more iPhones at their market-leading profit margin. Which they are. And have been. With all signs pointing to that continuing for the foreseeable future (See Q3 earnings report and future guidance).
Again this is not Apple doing the rest of the industry is adjusting their margins. that's why the rest of the industry marketshare is going up as it should have been in the first place.As I said in that post, they were not the most profitable PC maker, until they use Windows to save itself back.
I don't hope Apple to be forced to do the same thing to its iPhone at some future time.
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No, the trend is actually the opposite. Apple used to get the majority of the profit of the smartphone industry, with the market share drop, it holds <50% of that profit now. If Apple fails to revert that trend, its absolute profit number (not profit share) will soon start to drop as well.
The subtext of this statistic is that Apple's phones (or Apple's platform) are the most popular.How in the hell is that relevant? Then iPad and iPod Touch would need to be included...
Hell, I think they should only count Android devices that are on a somewhat current version of the OS and are actually used as smartphones - but then, that would be irrelevant and probably make you even more angry.
As I said in that post, they were not the most profitable PC maker, until they use Windows to save itself back.
I don't hope Apple to be forced to do the same thing to its iPhone at some future time.
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No, the trend is actually the opposite. Apple used to get the majority of the profit of the smartphone industry, with the market share drop, it holds <50% of that profit now. If Apple fails to revert that trend, its absolute profit number (not profit share) will soon start to drop as well.