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You keep spouting off the same garbage. Quit it already. The month-to-month price of the S4 on Verizon is $599. The 5C is $549. You're being a major troll claiming it's double the price.

The majority people in the US buy phones at subsidized prices, to which S4 is $199 and 5c is $99.
 
What on earth are you talking about? Why would you do this?

If it's backgrounded apps using CPU that you're worried about, you can block that (either globally or per-app) in settings > general > background app refresh. But this isn't Android - most apps are well behaved and aren't going to drain your battery in 2 hours the moment you let your guard down.

Moot!

You're right when you say IF though. The biggest problem with iOS for multitaskers is that. Most backgrounded apps are just as bad or worse than Android. If it's not a background process and you need it to be it makes the app rather useless.

Android hasn't had that problem for almost 4 years, iOS has never had it, but it's never really had true multitasking.

Those apps will and do drain your battery, and closing them all is a pain. Apple should have at least taken a page out of Android again and gave us an option to close all of the apps at once.
 
So you're equating 175M iPhones to 3% market share? Based on what, exactly?

You are so bad at comprehension!

Already repeated that it's about a future. By that time IF Apple still insists on selling only high-end phones, for sure it could not sell 175M a year.
 
It depends on how you define "success" and "failure". To Apple, losing that 2nd place is enough to call it a failure. 4S was able to keep that 2nd place last year.



You were only looking at the number in Sept., when 5c was fresh and hot. It soon lost the 2nd place at Sprint in Oct., then also lost that 2nd place at AT&T in Nov. It holds no "number 2" anywhere in Nov.
Again you have no evidence to support any of that any of your claims. When the iPhone was first launched it was not expected for them to get More than 1% of the market this as this was publicly stated by Apple. For you to say what they're doing now is a failure is just pure nonsense and you have no facts to back it up
 
No that was my point that 13 month old Apple tech is better than androids current tech.

Actually, what you're saying is that Apple's 13 month old tech is better than Samsung's 9 month old tech. So 4 months is really what you're arguing.

I guess it's a matter of perception or preference

Yes, so we really need to stop bringing it up.

again why you so stuck on android Samsung and Google are about to dump android

Link please.

On a side note, I searched and found one moot article, and one that suggests Google may/was/have been/should think about dropping Android to develop ChromeOS as the "new" platform.

Which I totally agree with. Android's ecosystem is abysmal. Going from the web browser, to the phone, to the tablet, to the desktop apps, to the web based apps, etc. is like moving forward and backward in time.

I've never dealt with Samsung cs, so I have no idea what it is like. In over 20 years of using cellular phones, I have never had to deal with a manufacturers customer service or with a cellular providers cs for anything hardware related- I'm not including a dumb phone that I dropped and broke and got replaced with a refurb many years ago. Apple's cs would be tough to equal or beat.

Agreed, and Apple's CS is hard to beat because it's been custom built around the Mac and accessories with a small marketshare. The iPhone changed that for both the industry and Apple. Most of what Apple did for tech service was to replace the phone outright (and count it as a new activation/sale). Only recently have they begun to do actual repairs in house.

But with Apple, it is last years tech with current day tech prices.

True. And personally the 5c is the best feeling iPhone I've ever held.

On a side note. The age of the tech/price/UX discussions have never gone anywhere in most forums. Apple users bring up UX when they can't compete against tech, and Android users bring up tech when they can't beat the UX (or in reality the ecosystem).

It's a rather tired back and forth.
 
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You are paying $849 for it - and then some!

Because your monthly bill is about 5x higher than what people are paying for equivalent, or better, service (without subsidized handsets) in other countries.

I don't live in another country. Gas is also more expensive in most countries (on a per capita income basis) than it is the the states. I pay less for gas and more for my phone service (with you as my source). I break even.
 
You are so bad at comprehension!

Already repeated that it's about a future. By that time IF Apple still insists on selling only high-end phones, for sure it could not sell 175M a year.

Yet you have nothing that backs up this "possible future" of your's. But what we do know is that Apple keeps selling more and more iPhones, year over year.
 
True. And personally the 5c is the best feeling iPhone I've ever held.

On a side note. The age of the tech/price/UX discussions have never gone anywhere in most forums. Apple users bring up UX when they can't compete against tech, and Android users bring up tech when they can't beat the UX (or in reality the ecosystem).

It's a rather tired back and forth.

I think that the 5C is easier to hold than the 5 and 5S, maybe even the 4. The 5 and 5S are quite slippery IMO and you really need to make sure you have a good grip on it or it will slip right through your fingers. The 5C has a better in hand feel, again IMO. I personally don't care for what they have done with the colors, yet I find that a few of the Nokia's in bright colors don't look bad. I can't quite put my finger on the looks part, maybe the Nokia colors or more vibrant or flashy while the Apple colors are softer.
 
Actually, what you're saying is that Apple's 13 month old tech is better than Samsung's 9 month old tech. So 4 months is really what you're arguing.



Yes, so we really need to stop brining it up.



Link please.

On a side note, I searched and found one moot article, and one that suggests Google may/was/have been/should think about dropping Android to develop ChromeOS as the "new" platform.

Which I totally agree with. Android's ecosystem is abysmal. Going from the web browser, to the phone, to the tablet, to the desktop apps, to the web based apps, etc. is like moving forward and backward in time.



Agreed, and Appel's CS is hard to beat because it's been custom built around the Mac and accessories with a small marketshare. The iPhone changed that for both the industry and Apple. Most of what Apple does now for tech service is replace the phone outright (and count it as a new activation/sale). Only recently have they begun to do actual repairs in house.



True. And personally the 5c is the best feeling iPhone I've ever held.

On a side note. The age of the tech/price/UX discussions have never gone anywhere in most forums. Apple users bring up UX when they can't compete against tech, and Android users bring up tech when they can't beat the UX (or in reality the ecosystem).

It's a rather tired back and forth.
now Apple has the tech and the user interface now what. Android won't have 64-bit technology for years to come. When Apple comes out with a larger phone it's game over!
 
I think that the 5C is easier to hold than the 5 and 5S, maybe even the 4. The 5 and 5S are quite slippery IMO and you really need to make sure you have a good grip on it or it will slip right through your fingers. The 5C has a better in hand feel, again IMO. I personally don't care for what they have done with the colors, yet I find that a few of the Nokia's in bright colors don't look bad. I can't quite put my finger on the looks part, maybe the Nokia colors or more vibrant or flashy while the Apple colors are softer.

YES!

And the 5c begs to not be in a cover all case. I'd like them to make a product Red version.

now Apple has the tech and the user interface now what. Android won't have 64-bit technology for years to come. When Apple comes out with a larger phone it's game over!

Well, there's always next year.

But more importantly, we can always bring up the arguments that iOS users still rest on. Tech isn't everything. Not every app is 64 bit, next year is right around the corner, the iPhone 6 will only introduce 6 columns of apps but not have any real UX changes, etc. etc.

No where.
 
YES!

And the 5c begs to not be in a cover all case. I'd like them to make a product Red version.

I think it would be good to add black to the mix too. A Red version would be a vibrant color too. I'd like to see a brighter yellow than the one they are using now, it's more of a pastel. I'd like to see it like a Millennium Yellow Corvette Z-06! Let it catch your eye. If your going to do the colors, put some bright ones in there! And keep the white and add a black for more conservative options. Maybe even something like Space Gray.
 
YES!

And the 5c begs to not be in a cover all case. I'd like them to make a product Red version.



Well, there's always next year.

But more importantly, we can always bring up the arguments that iOS users still rest on. Tech isn't everything. Not every app is 64 bit, next year is right around the corner, the iPhone 6 will only introduce 6 columns of apps but not have any real UX changes, etc. etc.

No where.
yes we do have next year and Apple will continue on their steady consistent pace. On the other hand Samsung an android and Google has shot their load trust me on that one. 64-bit is not in the near future and it's just a pipe dream for Samsung
 
I am not totally sure why samsung has such a high share with the S4, it really isn't a special device. There are many other android handsets out there that are better imo especially the LG G2
 
then please explain why Apple is the most profitable PC maker in the PC market? they eat the lion's share of profit, despite very small market share.

oops.

They are not, until Apple allowed its Mac to install Windows, and actually pre-installed an application to help users do that. Before that Mac market share had been constantly dropping, to as low as 2%. Now with the help of dual-boot, it regained over 10%.
 
No it's not fair because when mid range Android or Windows phones come out no one asks/questions how old the tech is. But with the 5C all we hear is how Apple is trying to pass off year old tech as something new.

Because 5c is priced as a high-end smartphone, so it is reasonable for people to have high requirement on it.

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The one thing that matters most in business is if their product is making them a profit. Even if it is 3rd place behind the 4S, it's still making Apple a bundle of cash, so I doubt they consider it a failure.

This isn't a race where first is the winner, and everyone else goes home without the glory. It's selling and selling well. That's all that matters.

But Apple is obviously growing slower than the average smartphone industry. And, Apple used to get over 90% of this industry's profit, while it only gets less than half of that now. Not a good trend for Apple.
 
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They are not, until Apple allowed its Mac to install Windows, and actually pre-installed an application to help users do that. Before that Mac market share had been constantly dropping, to as low as 2%. Now with the help of dual-boot, it regained over 10%.

What does that have to do with being the most PROFITABLE PC Maker?
 
Again you have no evidence to support any of that any of your claims. When the iPhone was first launched it was not expected for them to get More than 1% of the market this as this was publicly stated by Apple. For you to say what they're doing now is a failure is just pure nonsense and you have no facts to back it up

Everything I said in that message which you replied to, are FACTS, most of them are shown in this news piece we are commenting about. It's you who failed to read the news in full.
 
Because 5c is priced as a high-end smartphone, so it is reasonable for people to have high requirement on it.

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But Apple is obviously growing slower than the average smartphone industry. And, Apple used to get over 90% of this industry's profit, while it only gets less than half of that now.
That has nothing to do with Apple. Smart phone manufacturers realize they can only buy up so much marketshare because before it becomes a problematic business model. At some point they have to turn a profit
 
But Apple is obviously growing slower than the average smartphone industry. And, Apple used to get over 90% of this industry's profit, while it only gets less than half of that now.

Now I see that you're assuming more market share = more profit. I'll let you in on a little secret: Apple doesn't care if its overall market share decreases as long as they are selling more iPhones at their market-leading profit margin. Which they are. And have been. With all signs pointing to that continuing for the foreseeable future (See Q3 earnings report and future guidance).
 
What does that have to do with being the most PROFITABLE PC Maker?

As I said in that post, they were not the most profitable PC maker, until they use Windows to save itself back.

I don't hope Apple to be forced to do the same thing to its iPhone at some future time.

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Now I see that you're assuming more market share = more profit. I'll let you in on a little secret: Apple doesn't care if its overall market share decreases as long as they are selling more iPhones at their market-leading profit margin. Which they are. And have been. With all signs pointing to that continuing for the foreseeable future (See Q3 earnings report and future guidance).

No, the trend is actually the opposite. Apple used to get the majority of the profit of the smartphone industry, with the market share drop, it holds <50% of that profit now. If Apple fails to revert that trend, its absolute profit number (not profit share) will soon start to drop as well.
 
As I said in that post, they were not the most profitable PC maker, until they use Windows to save itself back.

I don't hope Apple to be forced to do the same thing to its iPhone at some future time.

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No, the trend is actually the opposite. Apple used to get the majority of the profit of the smartphone industry, with the market share drop, it holds <50% of that profit now. If Apple fails to revert that trend, its absolute profit number (not profit share) will soon start to drop as well.
Again this is not Apple doing the rest of the industry is adjusting their margins. that's why the rest of the industry marketshare is going up as it should have been in the first place.
 
How in the hell is that relevant? Then iPad and iPod Touch would need to be included...

Hell, I think they should only count Android devices that are on a somewhat current version of the OS and are actually used as smartphones - but then, that would be irrelevant and probably make you even more angry.
The subtext of this statistic is that Apple's phones (or Apple's platform) are the most popular.

This is patently untrue.

It would be like comparing the number of Macs sold to the number of IBMs sold. (Answer = millions:zero-- yay Mac is most popular computer on planet! Not.)

iOS is a platform and an ecosystem.

Android is a platform and an ecosystem.

If you want to compare them, fine. But your comparison should reflect the fact that Android purchases are diluted across hundreds of models. The sales stats on any one model are meaningless.

Saying that any one Android model sold almost as many as the iPhone 5S is actually an admission of defeat and irrelevancy! i.e. "we only allow our customers to buy three models, (because we're dcks like that,) and design them so that most customers will not really even want the crappiest two. Yet the "one" iPhone that almost all iOS purchasers will want can still barely beat one out of an Ocean of android models."

Even if you go by Manufacturer, Apple is an also-ran:

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsu...s-apple-blackberry-and-nokia-combined-q3-2013

If you go by platform, Apple is nothing but a minority player. Yet this article is designed to make it sound like Apple is the biggest-seller in the world!!1!

https://www.abiresearch.com/press/ios-smartphone-market-share-stagnant-at-14-while-w
 
As I said in that post, they were not the most profitable PC maker, until they use Windows to save itself back.

I don't hope Apple to be forced to do the same thing to its iPhone at some future time.

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No, the trend is actually the opposite. Apple used to get the majority of the profit of the smartphone industry, with the market share drop, it holds <50% of that profit now. If Apple fails to revert that trend, its absolute profit number (not profit share) will soon start to drop as well.

What trend is the opposite? They might be losing market share as a percentage but not in absolute number of users. That number is increasing. So to keep harping on decreasing market share without giving credence to the fact that the market is ever expanding--along with the number of iPhones being sold--is disingenuous or just plain ignorance.
 
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