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Am I alone in not actually wanting anything larger than the current 5S-size? I have a 4S myself and that, for me, is the perfect size. 5S I *could* get used to I guess, but anything larger simply doesn't interest me.

You are not alone .... I was hoping in something smaller than 4.7" .... Something like 4.3-4.5"
 
Men's phones

Does Apple think about women or girls?
I am wandering how many of them would like to have a phone as big as 4.7''? My wife is using 3.5'' phone and it is perfect for her. She will definitely not change it 4.7'' or even 4.0''.
This race for bigger screen is fine... but please keep the normal size (3.5'' was perfect) phone in the offer.
 
I have a 2013 Nexus 7 and it's definitely behind any iPad in terms of smoothness of the UI and touch response throughout the OS. And zooming, panning, resizing in the browser, viewing PDFs, anything similar is still pretty poor compared to iOS.

I'm with you.
I love my nexus 7 but don't tell me it is smooth like my iPad because it is just not true.
The Nexus 7 and vanilla Android are just fine, perfect usable and better than the Galaxy Note 10 I have at work, but the iPad is better in that aspect.
 
Good point. In the end it's about screen real estate. With which Apple tends to be very wasteful. I just got my retina 13" MBP. The good thing about the retina is that they allow you to scale it. I have it set to the smallest possible size because I want to be able to have as much information as possible on a relatively small screen.

It's the same with phones. I'm convinced Apple could do a better job of allowing more content on the current screen size. That would be more useful than making the same content just bigger on a bigger screen.

Yep. I have my 15" MBP set to 1680x1050 because it gets plenty of info on the screen. Give us a slightly bigger iPhone and then rebuild the OS to use the extra space and it's a winner.

It's my biggest irk with iPads. The home screen looks terrible because of the icons spread out.
 
I don't see the balance, there is wasted space that could be take up by more screen size. The Nexus 5 is not that much bigger than the iPhone and has a bigger screen.

The balance is in the design. Wasted space versus symmetry. To a company like Apple who is very highly regarded for its design, it matters.
 
If all they do

Is make it taller, that, IMHO, would be very disappointing. But of course will wait until more detailed leaks on actual hardware start happening. I think we should have a very good idea around late July early August.
 
As for RAM, Safari tabs reloading is incredibly annoying and more RAM could stop that.

Or maybe Apple could make Safari more RAM efficient and optimized. I'm not arguing against more RAM, I'm just pointing out that dumping more hardware (a la Android-based phones) is not necessarily the best solution. Google recently has done a good job of optimizing Android but for the most part they did and still do rely on phones having a lot of RAM to run smoothly.

/I own an Android-based phone and find the reloading of Safari tabs a bit annoying on my iPad.
 
Without its length, Apple would be subject to some odd fingerprint implementation b/c they couldn't get the entire finger on their button.
You are holding it wrong. Put the finger to ID in sideways.

Less joking, Jony wants to give impression of thin phone by making it tall & narrow. This has nothing to do with useability or screen aspect ratio.
 
Does Apple think about women or girls?
I am wandering how many of them would like to have a phone as big as 4.7''? My wife is using 3.5'' phone and it is perfect for her. She will definitely not change it 4.7'' or even 4.0''.
This race for bigger screen is fine... but please keep the normal size (3.5'' was perfect) phone in the offer.

Another good point. I understand that Apple has a very broad customer base and that demands vary by country and region. This is potentially something that sells better with two or three types of customers: geeks in corduroy pants (who will stick to Android anyway), gamers and low-income bling-bling groups, and parts of Europe (where Apple or really anything American has a pretty bad rep at this point so mimicking Samsung won't help much). At the same type this approach will likely be disappointing to important markets like business users (grown user base in the US at least) and females (Apple's branding seems to work very well with this important customer base).

So strictly from a business standpoint I think this a bad move on Apple's part. It goes against established philosophy (form follows function for the most part), makes them go from leader to follower, and may put a dent into important/affluent customer groups.

So what's more important: keeping today's customers in the US happy or go after Europe and the emerging markets? They want to do both and they should but this is looking like a massive failure. If they decide to split the line into two different form factors then they should keep one small device for the established users.

The only thing that would keep me switching back to a non-Apple phone is the integration with other Apple devices. But how far does this forced loyalty go in the end? I feel that owing and using Apple devices is always a bit of a trade-off. You get nice and solid hardware, good customer service (at least here in the US, I hear that their CS in Europe is dismal), and a pretty solid OS with good integration. On the other hand you're always (still) dealing with lack of compatibility and adaptability to common (non-Apple) industry standards. If now they start putting out hardware that is more on the negative than positive side for many users than I could see some trouble ahead.

To be clear: if these projections for the iPhone 6 here had been my choices last year when I switched from Blackberry to the iPhone 5 I wouldn't have bought: another iPhone for my wife, two MacBook pro retina, and a desktop (with an iMac going to be added over the next few weeks). That's roughly $6500 that may have gone some place else. Think about that.
 
Yep. I have my 15" MBP set to 1680x1050 because it gets plenty of info on the screen. Give us a slightly bigger iPhone and then rebuild the OS to use the extra space and it's a winner.

It's my biggest irk with iPads. The home screen looks terrible because of the icons spread out.


Yes. Though as I explained several times I don't want the phone to be any bigger at all physically.

iPads: I never wanted one because I don't know what they would do that my phone doesn't do already. Complete waste of space.

Screen resolution: I'm happy with my 13" retina MBP. Why? Because it's one of a few current laptops that can provide as much screen real estate as my high resolution 14" IBM thinkpad from 2006 (!). Most laptops these days don't come with high resolution options any longer. Even the retina is kind of a compromise at 1680x1050 which is pretty much the same as I got 8 years ago.
I could have gone for the 1920x1200 on a 15" of course but I like the smaller footprint of the 13". And don't get me started on the gloss and lack of wide gamut options...
 
Looks like the iPhone 6 will retain a ppi of 326
While the Galaxy S5, Nexus and HTC ONE had 440+ ppi..... Apple is falling behind

Only on 1GB of RAM on the iPhone 6,another bummer!

Where I've noticed it on my S3 vs. S4 is desktop web pages. It's much easier to read the small text. I would be a little disappointed to see Apple fall behind on pixel density. I'll still probably end up getting a 4.7" screened iPhone 6.


Not to burst your bobbles here, but... You know that Samsung is playing in the grey when it comes to their display and their display technologies right?

Devices like the Samsung Galaxy S3, S4 and S5 and devices like the new Samsung Galaxy Tab and Note Pro all features AMOLED display with Pentile Matrix panels.

For those who are not that familiar with this term and what it means it basically means that Samsung is cutting down on the amount of actual underlying pixels on their panels. All these devices features only the marked amount of pixels in terms of green pixels. Each and every pixel on a display would normally feature three underlying pixels, one blue, one red and one green. But Samsung have gone about and done some trickery here and cut the amount of underlying blue and red pixels in half.

Dumbing it all down one cloud say if you take the Samsung Galaxy S5 for example, it only features a 1920x1080 resolution when there is ONLY green pixels in use. Blue and red only features effective resolution of 1280x720. If it wasn't for the marked accepting fishy marketing these devices should be marked as having a effective PPI of 343 and not 441.



If you are one of those who feel and believe the display of a Galaxy S4 / S5 is much sharper compared to a iPhone 5 / 5S then its pretty much all in your head. I 'am not one of those who claim that all this pentile nonsense from Samsung means their display is lacking quality, its not like going from 441 to 343 PPI is something anyone would ever notice in real life situations but those who keep bashing iPhone for their "lower" PPI should start getting their facts about the display technology in question straight before commenting.


The whole point behind the term "retina" is to classify a display to have such a high resolution and pixel density (PPI) under normal viewing distances and angels that getting higher resolution is pointless. Going beyond the 300+ mark is utterly pointless for the viewing experience, it will only drag the battery life down even further and require even more cpu and gpu horsepower to make thing preform perfectly.
 
Fat Head

I never fully realized what a detriment the iPhone's big forehead and chin is to their design of a larger screened phone until seeing all these comparisons. I know there is no way they are going to give up the iconic home button, especially now that they have touch ID. I guess the iPhone is always going to have to be big ( or at least tall) for its screen size. And this is coming from a 4s, 5, 5s owner and big Apple fan. :confused:
 

I believe Displaymate came out and said the S5's screen is the best available now. I believe pentile amoled has progressed and it not as static as you make it sound.

What about the 1080p LCD phones?

Dumbing it all down one cloud say if you take the Samsung Galaxy S5 for example, it only features a 1920x1080 resolution when there is ONLY green pixels in use. Blue and red only features effective resolution of 1280x720. If it wasn't for the marked accepting fishy marketing these devices should be marked as having a effective PPI of 343 and not 441.

Well that's dumbing it down quite a bit in a manner that suits your argument.
 
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I disagree actually. I don't think there is anything in there design philosophy that requires symmetry. I think they care a lot about good design, but good design is as much about usability as it is about appearances. We will see soon I suppose.

That would definitely be true if logic prevailed but that doesn't always happen with apple. For all their admirable qualities and the quality in their product portfolio over all they have shown many cases where form has definitely triumphed over function. They've shown this time and time again and they care more about engineering design than they do functionality and user experience type design. Their engineers will care more about symmetry than about the impact of said symmetry or how odd it will be for the iPhone 6 to be bigger than all other 4.7 inch phones and as big as a 5" phones like the nexus 5 however sport a smaller screen than the nexus 5.
 
Looks like the iPhone 6 will retain a ppi of 326
While the Galaxy S5, Nexus and HTC ONE had 440+ ppi..... Apple is falling behind

Only on 1GB of RAM on the iPhone 6,another bummer!

Actually the Galaxy S5 does not have more PPI than an iPhone. The S5 uses a pen tile display, which treats resolution very differently. The Galaxy S5 has a PPI of 400+ when it is displaying the color green, and only when it is displaying green. When any other tones displayed resolution is much lower, and actually about the same as the iPhone 5.

The whole time Samsung was claiming they had more retina resolution with the S3 they actually had less. Only with the S4 and S5 did they actually match Apple's resolution, which was a big achievement.

Also the 1GB of ram thing is not comparable. The iPhone 5S actually manages to have a fraction of the lag of android phones with 2GB of ram. While I personally thing that 1GB is ridiculously low for an iOS device and 2GB is ridiculously low for an Android device, it's not as cut and dry. More ram uses more power which is why Apple has avoided doing it, but I think a 2GB iOS device will be the best compromise.
 
Not if you are holding it closer than print.

It's not the same thing, anyway. 300 DPI is different than 300 PPI. You can look at a printed page with a microscope and you can't see pixels or aliasing. On a phone, you can still see pixels at 300 PPI if you look for them. You can't see them at all at 400 PPI.
 
I love iOS, so I will buy the iPhone 6 no matter what, but...

1) Apple needs to get rid of the stupid "tall format" and go back to standard screen ratios.

2) The bezel needs to be trimmed down significantly, specially the top/bottom areas.
 
Does Apple think about women or girls?
I am wandering how many of them would like to have a phone as big as 4.7''? My wife is using 3.5'' phone and it is perfect for her. She will definitely not change it 4.7'' or even 4.0''.
This race for bigger screen is fine... but please keep the normal size (3.5'' was perfect) phone in the offer.

I've seen lots of women with GS5 and Notes women have the advantage of handbags.
 
Does Apple think about women or girls?
I am wandering how many of them would like to have a phone as big as 4.7''? My wife is using 3.5'' phone and it is perfect for her. She will definitely not change it 4.7'' or even 4.0''.
This race for bigger screen is fine... but please keep the normal size (3.5'' was perfect) phone in the offer.

Many women I know use Android phones with much larger screens that the 5S and I'm usually the smallest phone in the office (with my 5S). Than again I work in a corporate environment so content and getting things done is valued over small for smalls sake or design. 5" phones fit perfect inside the skinniest of slim style slacks in our offices so I still can't see all those complaining about fitting a paltry 4.7" phone in their pocket.
 
if that's indeed what the iPhone 6 turns out to be, it's a damn shame they're keeping the bezel that large in light of the fact that Moto and LG figured out how to do it better.
 
Twice the bezel (compared to other phones), double the price (compared to other phones). Because you are worth it :).
 
Many women I know use Android phones with much larger screens that the 5S and I'm usually the smallest phone in the office (with my 5S). Than again I work in a corporate environment so content and getting things done is valued over small for smalls sake or design. 5" phones fit perfect inside the skinniest of slim style slacks in our offices so I still can't see all those complaining about fitting a paltry 4.7" phone in their pocket.

But not all women and girls work in a corporate environment. There are many of them who don't and would like to have a truly mobile phone.
I remember 6-7 years ago (before smartphone era) the trend was completely opposite. All phones were smaller and smaller with tiny buttons. Very difficult to use for a man. I think it is all matter of common sense 3.5'' is perfect size.
Why do I need 5''? It it is not good as good as 9'' for comfortable reading or working neither as good as 3.5'' for mobility and single hand usage.
 
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