iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus Sales Top Thirteen Million in Launch Weekend

[smoledman]

Heading into launch of the iPhone 6s/6s+, the analysts were projected the first YoY decline in sales for the iPhone. However, Apple threw everyone a curveball with 13 million sales. It seems that in response, people are trying to find ways to prove that iPhone sales are actually slowing down by any means possible.

The strong argument appears to be that the increase in sales was almost completely attributable to China. People are saying that last year, the iPhone 6/6+ wasn't available in China so China has to be excluded in order to maintain and apples-to-apples comparison. If that's the case, then could one extend the argument and say that in order to improve comparability, sales on other carriers should be excluded from YoY comparisons with USA sales because in the beginning the iPhone was availably only on AT&T? So what if China helped Apple sell more iPhones?

That's because each year for the holiday quarter Apple manages to come up with some new innovation that gets people very interested in iPhones again. This year it's 3D Touch.

2010 - Retina display
2011 - Siri
2012 - 4" screen & Passbook
2013 - Touch ID
2014 - Larger screens
2015 - 3D Touch

Apple has a proven track record this decade of having at least one HUGE innovation in the iPhone each year, thus conditioning the consumer MIND. Thus analysts should at least wait until a couple of years go by without innovations before predicting a fall-off in sales. With liquid-metal, water-proofing and other things coming down the pike I thing there are no shortage of big innovations to catch the consumer eye in 2016 and beyond.

 

[navaira]

Nova launcher is like putting a lot of cosmetics on an ugly girl....

How do you know that as a user of iPhone and Nokia Lumia?

 

[Max(IT)]

How do you know that as a user of iPhone and Nokia Lumia?

Three Galaxy in my home: an S3 , an S4 and an S5 .... and a Nexus 7.
I owned more Android phones than most of the fandroids in this forum

 

[ArmCortexA8]

You people are so gullible and believe all the marketing hype like trained sheep. Fact is 3d touch is a gimmick and not required, and definitely not a major feature. If you are so desperate and short of time to open an App, see a psychologist. Yes I have an iPhone 6, but I don't buy a phone to play games make / receive phone calls / wifi / camera and some Apple apps, but I don't pay hundreds of dollars to play games on it. Ok and the new fancy 4K camera function when the phone itself only has a 1080pm screen so you will not see much difference as it cannot display the high resolution natively.

Im not so poor at time management that I need a shortcut instead of opening an app with a registered marketing name. And yes SMS is Short Message Service - you know those 160 characters or less messages you send? Apple rebranded it "messages", to also encompass MMS and SMS under one banner, but these are not the correct telecommunications terms. Plus the icon was originally called SMS if anyone remembers. Again marketing terms. I have always kept on subject (unlike others) and never talked about other brands, so hence the confusion of wanting me banned lol.

 

[navaira]

Three Galaxy in my home: an S3 , an S4 and an S5 .... and a Nexus 7.
I owned more Android phones than most of the fandroids in this forum

S3 is the worst phone I ever owned, including a Sony Ericsson with non-proprietary headphones socket. Can't say much about the others. But my Xperia Z3 Compact is my third biggest love (after my partner and my job). Like Apple used to say, it just works (other than software updates, but that's T-Mobile's fault).

 

[croooow]

Sounds like someone is just "jelly"

Fact is 3d touch is a gimmick and not required

No one said it was "required". You don't have to use it. Many will not. It doesn't matter.

Yes I have an iPhone 6...but I don't pay hundreds of dollars to play games on it.

No one said you had to play games. Others like to play games. It doesn't matter.

Ok and the new fancy 4K camera function when the phone itself only has a 1080pm screen so you will not see much difference as it cannot display the high resolution natively.

No one said it would look different on the phone's screen. You would need to export it to see it in 4K. It is off by default. You don't have to use it. It doesn't matter.

And yes SMS is Short Message Service - you know those 160 characters or less messages you send? Apple rebranded it "messages", to also encompass MMS and SMS under one banner, but these are not the correct telecommunications terms. Plus the icon was originally called SMS if anyone remembers.

No one said that term was incorrect, just that it makes you sound out of touch. The "M" is SMS is "messages" and if the app began to support both MMS and SMS would you prefer they squeeze both of the correct terms "MMS & SMS" into the icon? Then make it "MMS, SMS, & iMessage" later on? Should the Safari app be changed to "HTTP" so that it would be more correct?

Thanks for the laugh yesterday. Good Day, Sir!

 

[Max(IT)]

S3 is the worst phone I ever owned, including a Sony Ericsson with non-proprietary headphones socket. Can't say much about the others. But my Xperia Z3 Compact is my third biggest love (after my partner and my job). Like Apple used to say, it just works (other than software updates, but that's T-Mobile's fault).

Sony Z3 compact would have been my choice if the iPhone doesn't exist, for sure

Sounds like someone is just "jelly"
No one said it was "required". You don't have to use it. Many will not. It doesn't matter.

No one said you had to play games. Others like to play games. It doesn't matter.

No one said it would look different on the phone's screen. You would need to export it to see it in 4K. It is off by default. You don't have to use it. It doesn't matter.

No one said that term was incorrect, just that it makes you sound out of touch. The "M" is SMS is "messages" and if the app began to support both MMS and SMS would you prefer they squeeze both of the correct terms "MMS & SMS" into the icon? Then make it "MMS, SMS, & iMessage" later on? Should the Safari app be changed to "HTTP" so that it would be more correct?

Thanks for the laugh yesterday. Good Day, Sir!

I just ignored and reported him for trolling

 

[croooow]

I just ignored and reported him for trolling

You should see some of his other posts

 

[AleXXXa]

The new touch id sensor also makes it feel a LOT faster, I hardly even see the lock screen now, in fact I had to check it was actually locking.
It does makes it harder to do a time check or get to the camera quickly (from locked) as it just blasts straight past the lock screen.

Use a different finger or use the lock button.

 

[agsystems]

Man, Apple is such a freakin juggernaut. Such an incremental hardware upgrade, yet they still break sales records. I'm a victim myself, upgraded my 6+ to a 6s+ for no apparent good reason other than to waste money, lol.

Really - this is the biggest upgrade outside of just changing the casing in a long time (definitely since iphone 4)
However, if you are not getting it thru an early upgrade program (read free) - going from 6 to 6s may not make much sense.

Since I am on AT&T Next - to me there is no downside - I will upgrade every year.

 

[agsystems]

We can safely conclude from these results that the iPhone is not dead yet.

The skepticism surrounding these results appears to be partly due to the fact that iPhone units are readily available in stores. Evidently, there's nothing Apple can do to satisfy some people. If we hear news about sellouts and limited supply, Apple is accused of artificially limiting supply in order to give the illusion of demand. If Apple sells 13 million but stock is readily available, Apple must be pulling some gimmicks.

And this is exactly as it should be - plenty of stock in the stores and online for those willing to wait a few weeks.

That might not be the case next year as the casing will certainly change

 

[kdarling]

We can safely conclude from these results that the iPhone is not dead yet.

Yep, not even close. Heck, iPhones are almost 2/3 of Apple's revenue stream, and its ASP is higher than ever. It's like minting money.

The skepticism surrounding these results appears to be partly due to the fact that iPhone units are readily available in stores.

Well, it should be readily available, since most of the initial recorded sales are normally shipments to carriers and other retailers.

Evidently, there's nothing Apple can do to satisfy some people. If we hear news about sellouts and limited supply, Apple is accused of artificially limiting supply in order to give the illusion of demand. If Apple sells 13 million but stock is readily available, Apple must be pulling some gimmicks.

Yep, they wouldn't artificially limit supply.

I think the main "gimmick" Apple is fond of using these days, is to entice millions of us to make pre-orders with extended delivery dates, which releases current inventory to sell immediately to retailers, while guaranteeing more recorded sales later on as pre-orders are eventually filled. It's brilliant.

 

[orisonmarden]

Depends. You might be getting one with TSMC silicon inside instead. And regards to the RAM, it might be from Micron or Hynix or Toshiba.

And Chipworks shows only one Samsung chip inside an iPhone (their sample):

http://www.chipworks.com/about-chipworks/overview/blog/inside-the-iphone-6s

Sure A9 is made by Samsung & TSMC. When i said chip, it means the processor one. sorry

But No, TSMC will never have ability to handle all demands from Apple. At least for 14 nm & 16 nm production used in 6S.

My point is clear, its impossible for now for Apple to produce 6S without samsung.

Samsung electronic and Samsung semiconductor aren't the same thing...
Btw TSMC can make the same chips

SAMSUNG = SSNLF , lot of subsidiaries, lot of division areas.

You do know if they didn't have Apple as a customer, that will mean the collapse of their most profitable division right?

Besides there's TSMC for the SoC and Hynix / Micron / whatever for the RAM and flash storage; Samsung is hardly a monopoly as a supplier. Apple only fight battles where it matters like iOS exclusivity.

You're correct. One of them needs each other. Business.

Depending only to 1 supplier is not a smart i guess. Try to balance Samsung & TSMC on A9 production is clearly a smart n strategic move from Apple.

 

[ArmCortexA8]

Sounds like someone is just "jelly"
No one said it was "required". You don't have to use it. Many will not. It doesn't matter.

No one said you had to play games. Others like to play games. It doesn't matter.

No one said it would look different on the phone's screen. You would need to export it to see it in 4K. It is off by default. You don't have to use it. It doesn't matter.

No one said that term was incorrect, just that it makes you sound out of touch. The "M" is SMS is "messages" and if the app began to support both MMS and SMS would you prefer they squeeze both of the correct terms "MMS & SMS" into the icon? Then make it "MMS, SMS, & iMessage" later on? Should the Safari app be changed to "HTTP" so that it would be more correct?

Thanks for the laugh yesterday. Good Day, Sir!

It is not a real feature, it's basically a shortcut on the screen with a subtext menu, and should not be classed as a feature just because the name was registered. Just like right clicking on a mouse to show a menu is not a feature. Marketing.

Apple should not be bragging about a 4K camera when the screen itself cannot display 4k at its native resolution out of the box. Most consumers of course would miss this completely. Plus if you don't have a 4k system to view them on, it's also useless.

 

[Max(IT)]

It is not a real feature, it's basically a shortcut on the screen with a subtext menu, and should not be classed as a feature just because the name was registered. Just like right clicking on a mouse to show a menu is not a feature. Marketing.

Apple should not be bragging about a 4K camera when the screen itself cannot display 4k at its native resolution out of the box. Most consumers of course would miss this completely. Plus if you don't have a 4k system to view them on, it's also useless.

Many other OEMs sold 4K camera before... Did you complain about that?
And it's totally useless to have a 4K resolution on a 5" display....

 

[ArmCortexA8]

Many other OEMs sold 4K camera before... Did you complain about that? And it's totally useless to have a 4K resolution on a 5" display....

And it's totally useless having a 4K camera with a 1080pm display. Your point?

 

[haruhiko]

It is not a real feature, it's basically a shortcut on the screen with a subtext menu, and should not be classed as a feature just because the name was registered. Just like right clicking on a mouse to show a menu is not a feature. Marketing.

Apple should not be bragging about a 4K camera when the screen itself cannot display 4k at its native resolution out of the box. Most consumers of course would miss this completely. Plus if you don't have a 4k system to view them on, it's also useless.

Funny. A professional 4K camera costing tens of thousands of USD also doesn't have a 4K monitor built in.

 

[paysdoufs]

Shouldn't be a surprise 6s and 6s plus sales exceeded last year's 6 and 6 plus sales since this year's number includes sales in China while last year's didn't.... something which the author and Apple fails to mention.

A more fair comparison would be to show sales of the 6s and 6s plus vs sales of the 6 and 6 plus using only the locations/countries the 6 and 6 plus were available in during launch weekend.

That's one point. The other is that I never understood the excitement about launch WE sales numbers... I mean, look at the sales charts Apple releases during their quarterly revenue calls; at how cyclical (and iPhone-dependent) their business has become. Who can really claim that the size of the first "peak" will always be a reliable predictor of the year-long sales? We all know that the launch WE buyer are mostly die-hard Apple fans or persons who were due for an upgrade anyway. They're NOT representative of the average Joe. I believe the expansion seen with the 6/6 Plus due to the larger screen size was real. I'm not convinced this will be the case with the 6s/6s Plus (unless CHN consumers behave completely different from anyone else).

 

[croooow]

...Marketing...

I said Good Day, Sir!

This isn't the first time, IN THE SAME THREAD, that I got to post that after someone replied to a post I ended with "Good Day, Sir". I have a feeling that I will be able to do that every time!

 

[croooow]

And it's totally useless having a 4K camera with a 1080pm display. Your point?

That is right. We all know a camera is only for filming things to be displayed right on the camera itself! That's how Stanley Kubrick did it, that's how America does it…and it's worked out pretty well so far.

I can't help myself

 

[Max(IT)]

And it's totally useless having a 4K camera with a 1080pm display. Your point?

No it's not.
A camera shouldn't have an high resolution display.
I'm going to review 4K videos on a 4K tv.

 

[croooow]

No it's not.
A camera shouldn't have an high resolution display.
I'm going to review 4K videos on a 4K tv.

We are all going to JJ Abrams' house this December to watch Star Wars: The Force Awakens on the screen of the camera he used to film it. Right? That is how cameras work? I am sure his camera has a great big screen, we're gonna love it!

 

[croooow]

2010 - Retina display
2011 - Siri
2012 - 4" screen & Passbook
2013 - Touch ID
2014 - Larger screens
2015 - 3D Touch

This is a great list of features that were introduced to the iPhone.

Each required many hours of research and development in hardware and/or software. The ones in bold required both and should not be dismissed as a simple "gimmick"

That would be an insult.

 

[smoledman]

This is a great list of features that were introduced to the iPhone.

Each required many hours of research and development in hardware and/or software. The ones in bold required both and should not be dismissed as a simple "gimmick"

That would be an insult.

I can tell the snark when I see it. Maybe the 4" wasn't an innovation. 2012 was not a big year from an innovation standpoint.

 

[croooow]

I can tell the snark when I see it. Maybe the 4" wasn't an innovation. 2012 was not a big year from an innovation standpoint.

That post was actually very serious. Any "snark" was directed at a certain "3D touch hater" (see earlier posts in this thread)

The iPhone 5's 4" screen may not be a big "innovation" but a lot of work goes into designing a new screen/body, just like the work it took to make the 3D touch screen that someone was trying to pass off as a throw away gimmick.