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No, I'm saying devices with 2GB RAM don't have the Safari refresh issue. Still there's plenty of 1GB devices that aren't sluggish. iPad Air 2 was released in October 2014, so almost two years ago, not one.

Hmm well best tell my iPhone 6S and my iPad Pro 9.7" that then as they reload Safari pages all the time, doesn't bother me though as they need refreshing anyway.
 
That's your opinion.

Its the opinion of quite a few people. I don't know if you've seen the Note 7 in person. I have. I'm no samsung fan but I would call the design *game-changing*

There is a reason that Apple has tapped Samsung to use the same curved edges for the 2017 iphone. I suggest you drop by your local cell phone store and check it out for yourself.
 
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Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and Gear S2 are great! but the iPhone 6s and Apple Watch doesn't suck either especially when you comparing it with the rest of the Android OEMS and Android Wear

iPhone design, Processor, RAM, Battery and Camera..check! let's sell it!
 
Another thing that I don't like about Samsung and other OEMs is that they treat carriers AND end users as their customers. This is never going to lead to an good experience for the end user, it will be compromised solution that make neither parties happy. Example is bloatware and other carrier impositions that is not useful for the end user.

Excerpt from http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/1/12340294/samsung-product-planning-galaxy-s7-interview
"Our customer is the end user. But the carrier is also our customer."

I prefer Apple's approach more in that the end user is second to none.

There is a reason that Apple has tapped Samsung to use the same curved edges for the 2017 iphone. I suggest you drop by your local cell phone store and check it out for yourself.
Curved screen might seem good aesthetically, the curved part is ergonomically/optically poor surface for viewing and interaction.

Apple is banking on consumers trusting them on the compromises they have chosen to make compared to the rest of the competition. And their sales shows that enough people do appreciate their choice of compromises enough to buy them despite their high price tags.

That's all there is to it - some people preferring a company's choice of compromises over that of another company's.
Nicely articulated post.
 
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Nope, The Note 7 6 GB RAM version will not destroy

Samsung Exynos 8890 will still be fastest mobile processor in the market until Galaxy S8 comes out
I wonder if your able to uninstall iOS 10 and instal Windows 10 mobile on the iPhone 7 will it still run smoothly?

Is it comedy time already? The Note is a laggard, even for the low Android standards. Factor in the progressive sluggishness marring of all Samsung devices and it's just an embarrassing phone, performance wise.

The curved screen may be nice to show off at parties, though.
 
Is it comedy time already? The Note is a laggard, even for the low Android standards. Factor in the progressive sluggishness marring of all Samsung devices and it's just an embarrassing phone, performance wise.

The curved screen may be nice to show off at parties, though.
Why do you have the note 7? Why would you think it's embarrassing performance wise? Most are very happy with the performance of the note 7. Not being as fast as the iPhone doesn't mean the performance isn't still very good.
 
A year old phone outperforming a brand new phone is quite innovative.

And that's all it does - a thing most people won't notice in day to day use. Plus, I doubt the speed tests took into account the fact that the Note is pushing 4 times as many pixels as the iPhone 6S does.The Note also does true multitasking of the multiple apps being launched - it doesn't suspend background apps, like iOS does.
 
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Sorry but an unscientific "finger" test has too many variables to be taken seriously. I'll wait for a legit test.
 
Ok, you go and multitask the hell out of your note 7 then. I' ll just open apps and games , just like regular people and find the A9 is a lot faster at doing that than the note 7.
What do you do with your note 7 ? Open 2 apps or play 2 games at once?

I have a iPhone 6S + thank you very much... Btw... I always having apps crash on me... Wonder what's that about
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What sort of tests would you do on both phones to compare "multitasking speed"?

Well for one, you can run a dash cam app on the note 7 while downloading a 25 gig torrent file, while streaming Pandora, while receiving push email while rendering everything in 4K while running the Uber Driver partner app... That's a lot of multitasking Horsepower the phone have... I'm starting to think if Samsung didn't didn't handycap the 820 processor with the valid trade of of worse battery like... This phone would really fly

That being said... iPhone is snappier than the note on only a few things... If iOS you could truly multitask like android... That A9 would slow up like hell
 
I have a iPhone 6S + thank you very much... Btw... I always having apps crash on me... Wonder what's that about
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Well for one, you can run a dash cam app on the note 7 while downloading a 25 gig torrent file, while streaming Pandora, while receiving push email while rendering everything in 4K while running the Uber Driver partner app... That's a lot of multitasking Horsepower the phone have... I'm starting to think if Samsung didn't didn't handycap the 820 processor with the valid trade of of worse battery like... This phone would really fly

That being said... iPhone is snappier than the note on only a few things... If iOS you could truly multitask like android... That A9 would slow up like hell

Yes, the test is an unfair apples-oranges thing. If Apple doesn't start getting back to innovation, the iPhone will fall behind. And that would be bad as, personally, I actually prefer iOS and the app store - better apps and OS upgrades come right away, they don't take months, like with Android. But Apple needs to step up its hardware game.
 
This test is meaningless since it's not something that people normally do.
Uh, yes it is. People switch between apps all the time, and this test simulates that. If you need to wait all the time because your phone is spending entirely way too long re-loading content (despite having 4GB of RAM...), then it's something that most people will run into.

Speaking of 'normally', do you really think that
SSH, VNC, RDP, FTPS, bittorrent, etc.
are tasks that even a good chunk of people do? Pls.

on iOS apps get suspended in the background then killed after three minutes
Now, that we're aware of the 3 minute kill limitation of iOS we can question why they massaged this test to run under 3 minutes to avoid iOS killing and reloading apps. If they actually use all the apps they open like most people do the test would run over 3 minutes and show just how more meaningless this test is.
You really need to do better research than that. Apps do not get killed after three minutes - they hibernate, which still equates to an instant launch.

That's why iOS can get away with lower specs/DRAM/battery since it's not true multitasking and more like task switching.
And yet it yields a much better user experience with much less app reloading... again, the Linux nerdy crowd using SSH, VNC, FTPS, etc. are a much smaller group of people than you think they are. And if they want a smartphone, they obviously need an Android for their needs. This test is aimed towards real-life usage, stuff that
people normally do.

And while we're at it:
Well for one, you can run a dash cam app on the note 7 while downloading a 25 gig torrent file, while streaming Pandora, while receiving push email while rendering everything in 4K while running the Uber Driver partner app...
I think switching between apps is much more common than doing half the stuff you're talking about here, and that's why Apple optimized the experience for it. Trying to be the jack of all trades never works, and the OP video proves it. As a manufacturer, you need to focus your product on areas in which it excels instead of trying to turn it into a laptop, which is what Apple is good at and Samsung apparently bad at.
 
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We all know that Apple have some "magic" in their silicon with twister. Many real tech sites (theverge is not a tech site, it's a lifestyle site pretending to be geeky because they have review units) already indicated this way back when. We see it again and again, but people have very short attention span.
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Yes, the test is an unfair apples-oranges thing. If Apple doesn't start getting back to innovation, the iPhone will fall behind. And that would be bad as, personally, I actually prefer iOS and the app store - better apps and OS upgrades come right away, they don't take months, like with Android. But Apple needs to step up its hardware game.
Innovation? Is designing an SoC that is higher performing and more efficient than a newer Soc not innovative? Or are you talking about Samsung's "iris scanner" being more innovative?
 
Uh, yes it is. People switch between apps all the time, and this test simulates that. If you need to wait all the time because your phone is spending entirely way too long re-loading content (despite having 4GB of RAM...), then it's something that most people will run into.

How do you simulate a feature that iOS doesn't support, like true multitasking, where each app is getting a slice of the processor and RAM?
 
How do you simulate a feature that iOS doesn't support, like true multitasking, where each app is getting a slice of the processor and RAM?
You don't. You simulate use cases, not raw software capabilities. Making a product geared towards regular usage is the winning formula, not making a product for benchmarking purposes.

Even if you want to ignore the app-switching superiority of the iPhone, it still dominated the Note 7 in round 1 which had nothing to do with multitasking or RAM, just pure app launching speeds.

We all know that Apple have some "magic" in their silicon with twister. Many real tech sites (theverge is not a tech site, it's a lifestyle site pretending to be geeky because they have review units) already indicated this way back when. We see it again and again, but people have very short attention span.
Precisely. This is why the A9 was such a massive deal when it was first released. It's still better than processors coming out a year later with twice to three times the numbers on paper.

Architecture has a much stronger impact on performance than cores and GHz. People need to understand that.

I gotta say, I was actually starting to consider switching to Samsung for the past few weeks, seeing everyone rave on about the S7 and Note 7, saying that "Samsung FINALLY cracked it and it's FINALLY as fast as iPhone"...this video proves that, once again, they're not even close. In fact, the gap's been widened by the A9. I learned this the hard way by actually purchasing the S4, S5, S6, Note 3, Note 4, and Note 5, all of which turned out to be slow and terrible compared to the respective iPhones. I won't repeat that mistake this generation.
 
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How do you simulate a feature that iOS doesn't support, like true multitasking, where each app is getting a slice of the processor and RAM?

That is false. iOS itself does support it, hence many of us are able to run 3 apps together side by side on our iPads.

Likewise even if your 'perceptual' view is limited to single app in the foreground on the iPhone, your device is still running multiple processes in the background simultaneously. Whether streaming music from Google Play, Spotify or such, whilst at the same time checking emails, whilst backing up photos to the cloud via iCloud or Google Photos or such, whilst still polling GPS and your cellphone radios for calls / texts. These devices do a heck of a lot simultaneously. Just because it does something 'different' does not mean it's not doing something.
 
Its the opinion of quite a few people. I don't know if you've seen the Note 7 in person. I have. I'm no samsung fan but I would call the design *game-changing*

Please explain to me how the Note 7's design is "game-changing" when Samsung has used the same design in at least two other previous phones. Which, by the way, is apparently ok for Samsung to do...but when Apple does it it's a sign of its imminent demise.

And I've held the Note and the Edge...the curved screens add zero utility. You cover up the screen with your fingers, and the curved edges distort everything.
 
Its the opinion of quite a few people. I don't know if you've seen the Note 7 in person. I have. I'm no samsung fan but I would call the design *game-changing*

There is a reason that Apple has tapped Samsung to use the same curved edges for the 2017 iphone. I suggest you drop by your local cell phone store and check it out for yourself.

You say it's "game-changing" - why? because the edges are curved? In what dramatic way does that change how you use or interact with the phone? It may or may not look nicer, depending on your POV, but I fail to see how this is a "game-changer" in the cell phone industry. AI, AR are game changers, 3d touch - not a game changer but at least it changes how I interact with my phone. I would not consider a slight change in the shape of a phone a game-changer.
 
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What is true multitasking?

Multiple apps continue to work and process in the background, whereas iOS suspends each app that lies in the background - the app doesn't do anything until you bring it to the screen again.
 
That is false. iOS itself does support it, hence many of us are able to run 3 apps together side by side on our iPads.

Likewise even if your 'perceptual' view is limited to single app in the foreground on the iPhone, your device is still running multiple processes in the background simultaneously. Whether streaming music from Google Play, Spotify or such, whilst at the same time checking emails, whilst backing up photos to the cloud via iCloud or Google Photos or such, whilst still polling GPS and your cellphone radios for calls / texts. These devices do a heck of a lot simultaneously. Just because it does something 'different' does not mean it's not doing something.
In my case,any in app download stops when I exit the app on my iPhone.
 
You say it's "game-changing" - why? because the edges are curved? In what dramatic way does that change how you use or interact with the phone? It may or may not look nicer, depending on your POV, but I fail to see how this is a "game-changer" in the cell phone industry. AI, AR are game changers, 3d touch - not a game changer but at least it changes how I interact with my phone. I would not consider a slight change in the shape of a phone a game-changer.

From my experience edges that curve that much only reduce usable area of the phone and you don't need to curve edges to have some swipes from left or right do something.
 
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Its the opinion of quite a few people. I don't know if you've seen the Note 7 in person. I have. I'm no samsung fan but I would call the design *game-changing*

There is a reason that Apple has tapped Samsung to use the same curved edges for the 2017 iphone. I suggest you drop by your local cell phone store and check it out for yourself.
Honestly why are you here? Serious question, you don't use any Apple products as far as I can see...
 
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Multiple apps continue to work and process in the background, whereas iOS suspends each app that lies in the background - the app doesn't do anything until you bring it to the screen again.

However things like iCloud backups, gps polling, cellular polling, email, and much more is allowed to work away in the background unrestricted. The other apps are suspended after a period of time - not instantly. And there is a counter argument that having multiple apps open in the background makes little difference when your OS itself is being aggressive and shutting them down.

There is no perfect solution. Only differing ways that OEM's work to prioritise the balance between power, performance and efficiency.

In my case,any in app download stops when I exit the app on my iPhone.

My Google play music downloads no bother on mine whilst I'm on tapatalk or other. I guess it depends on the app. Likewise Google photos uploads for me - though slower - even when I'm using another app such as netflix or youtube in front.

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But as I said prior on this thread, there is a measure of mountains being made out of molehills here. Personally I choose to have both devices (indeed arguably too many devices) and see the world in full colour, rather than everything in just black or white scenario that folks paint on forums.

My Note 7 will replace my S7, and keep my HTC 10 and SE / 6S in good company.
 
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