Iphone 6s camera rated lower than iphone 6 by DXO

[jamezr]

The video represents real world use, which is every bit a "fact" as the other "facts".

lol....did you really just say that? So the truth is the truth unless it is untruthful? The facts are the facts unless they are unfactual. So the facts are the facts just the same as the other facts! I like it!
So the facts....
I'll stick with the facts below unless you have something similar and as reputable, I'll consider this closed.

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Appl...ng-performance/Apple-iPhone-6s-vs-competition

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/How-we-test-smartphones-The-DxOMark-Mobile-protocol

 

[I7guy]

lol....did you really just say that? So the truth is the truth unless it is untruthful? The facts are the facts unless they are unfactual. So the facts are the facts just the same as the other facts! I like it!
So the facts....
I'll stick with the facts below unless you have something similar and as reputable, I'll consider this closed.

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Appl...ng-performance/Apple-iPhone-6s-vs-competition

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/How-we-test-smartphones-The-DxOMark-Mobile-protocol

Well I guess when all one goes on are graphs rather than real samples...

 

[jamezr]

Well I guess when all one goes on are graphs rather than real samples...

Oh...did you miss the links in my post then? There are links to the testing protocols and the results. Did you miss those?
The graphs are just a visual representation of the facts. You should click on the links and read the findings if you don't like the graphs.

 

[I7guy]

Oh...did you miss the links in my post then? There are links to the testing protocols and the results. Did you miss those?
The graphs are just a visual representation of the facts. You should click on the links and read the findings if you don't like the graphs.

Regardless of the narrative and graphs, that one video I posted shows real world results. Nobody gives a darn about noise unless it kills the photographs; they are just talking points and conversations like this drag on ad-infinitum in photography oriented message boards, somehow ignoring the convenient "fact" that not all award winning photographs are captured by the #1 dxo camera and if there weren't any credits could not really tell what camera did the shot. At the end of the day, it's about the picture. That video did a good job of comparing some likely scenarios to show what the potential outcomes are.

Carry on.

 

[jamezr]

Regardless of the narrative and graphs, that one video I posted shows real world results. Nobody gives a darn about noise unless it kills the photographs; they are just talking points and conversations like this drag on ad-infinitum in photography oriented message boards, somehow ignoring the convenient "fact" that not all award winning photographs are captured by the #1 dxo camera and if there weren't any credits could not really tell what camera did the shot. At the end of the day, it's about the picture. That video did a good job of comparing some likely scenarios to show what the potential outcomes are.

Carry on.

No sense discussing the facts with a closed mind........

 

[nickchallis92]

If I7 wants to believe a load of nonsense, let him.

 

[I7guy]

No sense discussing the facts with a closed mind........

There is an old expression, which fits aptly: "a picture is worth a thousand words".

 

[Elisha]

Real world for one person is not real world for another. That's why we have objective controlled tests!

 

[adamhenry]

There is an old expression, which fits aptly: "a picture is worth a thousand words".

Even a picture by Monet?

 

[jamezr]

Real world for one person is not real world for another. That's why we have objective controlled tests!

Exactly! Thats is why the controled DxO lab results mean more than some guy on the internet.

 

[domineus]

Oh, you mean the company that is trying to sell you a $600 (for a limited time!) add-on to your iPhone that they claim allows you to take better pictures? that's the first thing that popped up when I went to your link (see attached image).

Beware reviews from any entities with a direct financial stake in the issue.

If that were the case, the dxo-one would perpetually be at the top of the list.

I have to actually agree with the review. The Samsung Galaxy S6 DOES take MUCH better photos than the iPhone in 90% of most conditions. That also spread to the iPhone 6s / 6s Plus. What Apple does have going for it (in some cases) is it's speed of use and ability to get rather good photos in proper lighting. Once the lighting is gone, then there's issues with the photos. This is also evident with the 6s Plus. The images between the 6 Plus / 6s Plus are practically the same unfortunately in the majority of conditions

There's a yellow haze in shots, macro mode has issues with focus, color bleeding depending on the subjects, lots of artifacting and so on and so on (this is with live photo mode DISABLED).

Apple performs extremely well in daylight shots and landscapes. Probably some of the best photos you can take. However, many photos aren't taken under those conditions. Where Apple fails is in low light. Once there is lower light, the quality decreases and almost exponentially. Even with all of these issues, the exposure and leveling is surprisingly good.

If there is any caveat to Apple is that it does NOT follow the industry and provide PRO camera features within the simple camera app. Many of the top 5 camera phones can take raw, provide PRO mode, and have a level of flexibility that Apple doesn't have and therefore makes a much better experience than Apple has.

The results, in my opinion, do not surprise me. But the issues are prevalent with the phone. In fact, this Apple version has made me give up on mobile photography and Android has made me a much better photographer. And in Android Marshmallow, the camera apis have improved almost across the board. Sufficed to say, Apple is no longer king.

Sony surely is in many areas. The z5 is fantastic. If the OS wasn't slow...

 

[Floris]

Thankfully I had a 5s, and now have the 6s+, and it's by far a better camera for me. I personally am not considering downgrading to the 6+ because of their rate, I like video OIS, and I am not disappointed at all with the camera.

 

[iceperson]

lol....did you really just say that? So the truth is the truth unless it is untruthful? The facts are the facts unless they are unfactual. So the facts are the facts just the same as the other facts! I like it!
So the facts....
I'll stick with the facts below unless you have something similar and as reputable, I'll consider this closed.

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Appl...ng-performance/Apple-iPhone-6s-vs-competition

http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/How-we-test-smartphones-The-DxOMark-Mobile-protocol

Fact: Those are some terribly plotted values on that graph...

 

[jamezr]

Fact: Those are some terribly plotted values on that graph...

agreed....the number values don't line up with the numerical values representations.

 

[jerwin]

perhaps the unrounded averages are used to generate the graphs, while the summary scores are rounded to the nearest integer.

 

[roeiz]

i don't get these calculations..
for one, the 6S renders far more accurate colors and delivers the real world feel in most pictures..
that's a no brainer for me.
so it's just plain weird why they prefer the overblown, inaccurate photos of the Samsungs for example.
not once in all samples i saw side by side i thought the Samsung result was better.
don't get me wrong, it does have more MPs, crispness, and some other advantages,

but all these are not the reason i will prefer the 6S photos hands down.
they simply just don't address that fact at all.

 

[x34]

so it's just plain weird why they prefer the overblown, inaccurate photos of the Samsungs for example.

while i understand what you mean, i have not only seen inaccurate samsung pics - can't name a source though.

 

[roeiz]

while i understand what you mean, i have not only seen inaccurate samsung pics - can't name a source though.

well i meant that in a more delicate way,
how whenever i see them side by side,
the Samsung photos look less accurate and "real" than the 6S.
you can do whatever you want to the pictures afterwards,
so i personally don't need Samsung to put their "finish" before that.

 

[domineus]

The main issue with blind camera studies and reviews is that there's no reference image. Yes, apple can look natural if you post them on the web. But without the reference what is to say if that's the most true representation of the image to the naked eye? One can assume, according to zooming pixels that the image is good, but the apple can oversaturate images and exposure can be set too far on default (e.g. literally POINTING AND SHOOTING).

I'm not an Apple hater by any means, but in this case, Android has taken the proverbial cake so to speak in terms of providing the best in mobile photography at this point. I'm eager to test the new lumia line which should be amazing as well.

My honest two cents?

Let go of mobile photography. There's always going to be limitations with it. Invest in a camera

 

[I7guy]

The main issue with blind camera studies and reviews is that there's no reference image. Yes, apple can look natural if you post them on the web. But without the reference what is to say if that's the most true representation of the image to the naked eye? One can assume, according to zooming pixels that the image is good, but the apple can oversaturate images and exposure can be set too far on default (e.g. literally POINTING AND SHOOTING).

I'm not an Apple hater by any means, but in this case, Android has taken the proverbial cake so to speak in terms of providing the best in mobile photography at this point. I'm eager to test the new lumia line which should be amazing as well.

My honest two cents?

Let go of mobile photography. There's always going to be limitations with it. Invest in a camera

True but the trained eye can point ratio dark photos, blown out highlights, off white balance, over saturation and a myriad of other things. Noise and mp much less obvious unless you pixel peep.

Photography is photography, this is reminiscent of the Nikon vs canon vs Pentax debates raging in photo oriented forums fueled by dxo. Last I looked canon is still doing quite well given the overall market.

And i still like my canon equipment paired with my favorite l lenses.

 

[Tsepz]

Cmon guys, you know how this works.

DxO is a great website when it rates iPhones highly, but an evil, unreliable website with an evil agenda when it rates other phones ahead of it.

Basically, ignoring facts and independent testing, the iPhone always has the best camera.

Lol.
Nail on the head!
It is how things work here.

Like I said, DxO will pay the price of being brutally honest.

 

[I7guy]

Lol, pretty funny when the proof is in the pudding. It's how things work here.

 

[domineus]

True but the trained eye can point ratio dark photos, blown out highlights, off white balance, over saturation and a myriad of other things. Noise and mp much less obvious unless you pixel peep.

Photography is photography, this is reminiscent of the Nikon vs canon vs Pentax debates raging in photo oriented forums fueled by dxo. Last I looked canon is still doing quite well given the overall market.

And i still like my canon equipment paired with my favorite l lenses.

Call me a purist, but I think Sony whips the pants off Canon with the consumer solutions they provide (albeit I am also a huge sony fanboy for their recent releases for the past 3 years) - but that's another debate entirely and Canon comes out with much cheaper solutions than Sony.

That said, the human eye is very powerful and can recognize over-exposure and dark spots in photo. The question, however, comes in whether or not the photo is true to life. In some cases, apple photos are true to life. In the past, this was certainly the case. Not so clear now.

I took some pics with my iPhone 6s Plus and the photos were definitely pleasing. The exposure seemed perfect. Except, while the photos were sunny, the sky was blue, the iPhone did not capture the level of lighting of the scene. It wasn't representative of the true experience.

The thing I've noticed with photography as a whole for me is the attempt to recreate an image to another person. It's unnerving to see while the iPhone does perform well, more times it is not taking the most true to life photo. And therein lies part of the problem. I can get past the simple UI, lacking pro mode, lacking RAW natively

 

[I7guy]

Call me a purist, but I think Sony whips the pants off Canon with the consumer solutions they provide (albeit I am also a huge sony fanboy for their recent releases for the past 3 years) - but that's another debate entirely and Canon comes out with much cheaper solutions than Sony.

That said, the human eye is very powerful and can recognize over-exposure and dark spots in photo. The question, however, comes in whether or not the photo is true to life. In some cases, apple photos are true to life. In the past, this was certainly the case. Not so clear now.

I took some pics with my iPhone 6s Plus and the photos were definitely pleasing. The exposure seemed perfect. Except, while the photos were sunny, the sky was blue, the iPhone did not capture the level of lighting of the scene. It wasn't representative of the true experience.

The thing I've noticed with photography as a whole for me is the attempt to recreate an image to another person. It's unnerving to see while the iPhone does perform well, more times it is not taking the most true to life photo. And therein lies part of the problem. I can get past the simple UI, lacking pro mode, lacking RAW natively

If you review the video there is clearly a divide. I happen to like the warmer look of the iPhone but that's a preference.

 

[geoff5093]

i don't get these calculations..
for one, the 6S renders far more accurate colors and delivers the real world feel in most pictures..
that's a no brainer for me.
so it's just plain weird why they prefer the overblown, inaccurate photos of the Samsungs for example.
not once in all samples i saw side by side i thought the Samsung result was better.
don't get me wrong, it does have more MPs, crispness, and some other advantages,

but all these are not the reason i will prefer the 6S photos hands down.
they simply just don't address that fact at all.

I know you are talking about Samsung, but LG is up there as well and I can tell you the colors are not overblown and inaccurate like you claim. Android cameras are just that much better than the iPhone, sadly.

My G4 album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffjohnsonphotography/albums/72157654770914556