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iPhone 6s Puts Focus on Its Cameras With Higher-Quality Photos and Video, Front Flash, and More

ycianca said:
You seem to know what you are talking about and I agree with you. I have the Sony A7R II, which is a fantastic cam, but as you say...I sometimes feel as free as a bird when I don't take my gear out when I'm out with my family for instance. I just then shoot pretty awesome memories with my iphone and I love it. Even the post processing in the camera app is fun and light :)
I find the quality pretty great for a phone. Can't wait for the 6s for even better hassle-less pics, yay.

Yannick
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A7R II? Dang, I'm super jelly. I'm looking at moving from Canon dSLRs. I use a 5D MkIII at work and have an old 7D at home with some good L glass that I'll probably keep around. I'm pretty well set on getting a Sony for my personal use. Was considering the rumored A7000, which was supposed to be a better, weather sealed version of the A6000 priced around $1000-1200 with 28-32MP, 4K, and better viewfinder display. But it keeps getting delayed—it was supposed to come out in the spring, then the Sony hacks said June, then September, then October with the lenses, and now they're saying February. I'm about to give up!

For the reasons you mentioned above, I'm thinking if I go mirrorless then I want to go small with the smallest camera and smaller lenses. There's just something really appealing to me about that sort of rangefinder style. Hope they come out with those new E-mount lenses next month. I can't quite justify an A7R II right now. My wife would probably kill me! I could easily do the A7, but I'd prefer something a little higher into the 28-36MP range. Maybe a refurbished A7R. Is IBIS really worth it? I also really want the 14-bit RAW that is coming in a software update and don't know if older cameras will get that.

What lenses do you use? If I do full frame I'll probably pickup the Sony FE 28mm f/2 for the wide end and either the Sony FE Zeiss 55mm f/1.8 or the Sony FE 90mm f/2.8 macro. I mainly shoot landscapes and wildlife, with some macro and portraits of my kid. But macro isn't as important as portraits. I thought that the 90mm would be good for portraits. Figured I could get an adapter for my Canon EF 100-400L when I need to shoot wildlife haha. Although it will look ridiculous.
 
HenryDJP said:
And your point? The file is still stored on iCloud. That's how it's able to be viewed on any device.


Completely incorrect. Check the informational attachment I replied you with. It came directly from Apple's website. You don't need any computer other than your iOS device.


Completely wrong again. Check the informational attachment I replied you with. Apple's fact sheet disagrees with you.
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Whoa, hey. What's with all the completely this and completely that? I was just trying to shed a little light.

And for what it's worth, I'm not wrong in the slightest (one might go so far as to say I am completely right), and the attachments you posted only corroborate what I've said.

An Apple device (Mac, iOS, whatever) has to have the original file stored on it for it to live in iCloud. That's what they mean by "To add new files, just start a new document using an iCloud-enabled app on your iOS device." The document originates on the iOS device and is then added to iCloud so your other devices can access it. But it's still on that device, accessed by you through that app. It has to be, otherwise iCloud doesn't know that it should be storing a copy of it for you. Again, the copy on iCloud is just so you can access and edit it from another one of your devices. Delete it from your iOS device and it's gone, gone, gone.

They go on to say "And on your Mac running OS X Yosemite or later... you can just drag files to the iCloud folder." Which was exactly what I was describing in my example involving a Mac using iCloud drive. That iCloud folder is a folder on your Mac that takes up physical space on your Mac. Don't believe me? Try adding your most cherished file to that folder on your Mac and remove any other instance of it from your Finder. Check iCloud.com to see if it's made its way to your iCloud drive. Once you know it's in iCloud, delete the file from your iCloud drive folder on your Mac, empty the trash, and then come back and tell me whether or not it's still in your iCloud drive...

Go on... I'm waiting...

Anywho, I'm not going to quote your second attachment but it describes exactly what I described in terms of how iCloud Photo Library stores optimized, smaller file versions of your photos on your iOS devices while keeping the full resolution version in iCloud. They don't say anything in exact words about what happens if you delete a photo from one of your devices... but I highly encourage you to test it out with your all time most favourite and irreplaceable photo ever. Then by all means come back when you're done and share your results!

In conclusion, I was and remain completely right and you should probably try to lighten up a little ;)
 
darcyf said:
Whoa, hey. What's with all the completely this and completely that? I was just trying to shed a little light.

And for what it's worth, I'm not wrong in the slightest (one might go so far as to say I am completely right), and the attachments you posted only corroborate what I've said.

An Apple device (Mac, iOS, whatever) has to have the original file stored on it for it to live in iCloud. That's what they mean by "To add new files, just start a new document using an iCloud-enabled app on your iOS device." The document originates on the iOS device and is then added to iCloud so your other devices can access it. But it's still on that device, accessed by you through that app. It has to be, otherwise iCloud doesn't know that it should be storing a copy of it for you. Again, the copy on iCloud is just so you can access and edit it from another one of your devices. Delete it from your iOS device and it's gone, gone, gone.

They go on to say "And on your Mac running OS X Yosemite or later... you can just drag files to the iCloud folder." Which was exactly what I was describing in my example involving a Mac using iCloud drive. That iCloud folder is a folder on your Mac that takes up physical space on your Mac. Don't believe me? Try adding your most cherished file to that folder on your Mac and remove any other instance of it from your Finder. Check iCloud.com to see if it's made its way to your iCloud drive. Once you know it's in iCloud, delete the file from your iCloud drive folder on your Mac, empty the trash, and then come back and tell me whether or not it's still in your iCloud drive...

Go on... I'm waiting...

Anywho, I'm not going to quote your second attachment but it describes exactly what I described in terms of how iCloud Photo Library stores optimized, smaller file versions of your photos on your iOS devices while keeping the full resolution version in iCloud. They don't say anything in exact words about what happens if you delete a photo from one of your devices... but I highly encourage you to test it out with your all time most favourite and irreplaceable photo ever. Then by all means come back when you're done and share your results!

In conclusion, I was and remain completely right and you should probably try to lighten up a little ;)
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Nah, you're wrong and everything I posted that Apple said was just the opposite of yours. Maybe you should take your own advice about "lightening up" a little. You were trying to call me out originally calling me wrong. And now you're changing your story. Good thing I quoted it earlier. You said a Mac is required and the original file has to be stored on the hard drive to use iCloud. Wrong. It's okay though, dealing with people that have big egos I'm very much used to here. My solution when dealing with these types of people, talk to someone else...
 
HenryDJP said:
Nah, you're wrong and everything I posted that Apple said was just the opposite of yours. Maybe you should take your own advice about "lightening up" a little. You were trying to call me out originally calling me wrong. And now you're changing your story. Good thing I quoted it earlier. You said a Mac is required and the original file has to be stored on the hard drive to use iCloud. Wrong. It's okay though, dealing with people that have big egos I'm very much used to here. My solution when dealing with these types of people, talk to someone else...
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Haven't changed a thing my dear. I was saying your file has to be and remain on your device to remain in iCloud and I used a Mac as an example. Say it with me now: E-X-A-M-P-L-E.

Same holds true for iOS devices, as I further illustrated in my response to your response with an iOS example.

All of which is in keeping with the examples you posted from Apple.

The point I was making from the start, and that I continue to make, is that iCloud is not an archival storage solution. It's a syncing storage solution. Do with that information what you will, but it's contrary to what you originally posted which was why I stepped in to explain things in the first place. Didn't mean to rub you the wrong way, but clearly that's an all-too-easy thing to do.
 
malexandria said:
I'm sick of the argument that it's "just a phone," as justification for it to have a "terrible" camera with 2 hr battery life, and audio. If that's the case then it's a $1,000 (not counting the $100 month bill) LOUSY PHONE that rarely ever works when I actually do want to make a call with the damn thing.
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Are you saying your phone doesn't make calls, has a two hour battery life and can't take a decent photo?

What in the world are you doing to it?
 
Cuban Missles said:
I bought a Nikon DSLR over the summer because I wanted depth that I cannot get out of my iphone. I will wait to see how the new 6s compares, but I assume that the depth issue cannot be addressed by Apple. Otherwise, I may have just bought a camera I don't need. :p
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When you say depth, you probably mean depth of field, and what you actually mean is that your Nikon is capable of giving you LESS depth of field (as in shallower). So basically that means you can get more blur in the background to isolate your subject, which is difficult to do with a smaller sensor like the iPhone.
 
greytmom said:
Are you saying your phone doesn't make calls, has a two hour battery life and can't take a decent photo?

What in the world are you doing to it?
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Do you have no reading comprehension? I said the phone takes decent photos, but there's nothing wrong with expecting it to do more, considering the camera tech in it is 4 years old and it cost me $1,000 not to mention the $100 monthly service charge. Since you want to be purposefully obtuse I'll spell it out clearly.

My iPhone is a lousy PHONE (especially considering it costs $1,000!). It drops calls 70% time (when my Samsung Galaxy DOESN'T), the data rarely works when I travel, the speaker quality for the speaker phone is pathetic, I don't think I've ever had more than 3 bars of LTE (when I do have LTE Service - even though my Galaxy does), need I go on? I use an iPhone over the Galaxy S because I hate Android, but the Galaxy S series has ALWAYS been far superior hardware to the iPhone.
 
malexandria said:
Do you have no reading comprehension? I said the phone takes decent photos, but there's nothing wrong with expecting it to do more, considering the camera tech in it is 4 years old and it cost me $1,000 not to mention the $100 monthly service charge. Since you want to be purposefully obtuse I'll spell it out clearly.

My iPhone is a lousy PHONE (especially considering it costs $1,000!). It drops calls 70% time (when my Samsung Galaxy DOESN'T), the data rarely works when I travel, the speaker quality for the speaker phone is pathetic, I don't think I've ever had more than 3 bars of LTE (when I do have LTE Service - even though my Galaxy does), need I go on? I use an iPhone over the Galaxy S because I hate Android, but the Galaxy S series has ALWAYS been far superior hardware to the iPhone.
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My, you are a hostile little fella! And if you look at what I quoted, you did not say it takes decent photos.

Perhaps you should be careful calling others obtuse, when you are the one who spent $1,000 (plus $100 per month) on something so unsatisfactory. :rolleyes:
 
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greytmom said:
My, you are a hostile little fella! And if you look at what I quoted, you did not say it takes decent photos.

Perhaps you should be careful calling others obtuse, when you are the one who spent $1,000 (plus $100 per month) on something so unsatisfactory. :rolleyes:
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I never said it was unsatisfactory for my needs, I said it could be improved. I guess you just think it's absolutely perfect the way it is and nothing can be improved on. And god forbid anyone SUGGESTS that it can and should be improved on or idiots like you will come out and slam people for no reason. Yes, it sucks as a phone, but I'm not on my phone 24/7, I use it for many other things.
 
malexandria said:
I never said it was unsatisfactory for my needs, I said it could be improved. I guess you just think it's absolutely perfect the way it is and nothing can be improved on. And god forbid anyone SUGGESTS that it can and should be improved on or idiots like you will come out and slam people for no reason. Yes, it sucks as a phone, but I'm not on my phone 24/7, I use it for many other things.
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Have you considered anger management counseling? Or at least a dictionary? Looking back over the history of our "conversation" is pretty eye-opening when it comes to who is doing the slamming.

Inhale, exhale. Perhaps some yoga.
 
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msandersen said:
All I can ask for, PLEASE, is Raw support.
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Yes, that would be great! RAW would let you disable that horrible noise reduction - chroma noise is ok to remove, but I much prefer luma noise to the awful noise reduction artefacts. Moreover, if you print your photos, luma noise is invisible while noise reduction artefacts are not....
Also, having RAW would mean being able to fully use something like DxO - and it does an incredible job at improving quality.
 
Carlanga said:
But I thought according to some experts here that MP didn't matter? lol
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The problem is that 4k is not possible with a 8 MP sensor. 4k is either 3840x2160 or 4096x2304 (it's not really consistent). Sensors usually have a 4:3 format, so the minimum resolution of a sensor that fits 4k is either 3840x2880 or 4096x3072, which is either 11.1 or 12.6 megapixels. I'm not sure whether 4k really is a necessary feature for a smartphone camera, but I guess Apple thought it is, so that's why they decided to bump up the resolution of the sensor to the minimum amount for that.
 
peglegjack said:
From what I see, it's safe to say that my pocketable Sony RX100M3 is of a vastly better quality.

Having said that, I'll probably have the 6S in my pocket more, so it'll be a nice step up from my 4S. ;)
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I love my Sony RX100M3, took some great photos and HD videos in Europe last year. My 5s took some nice photos/videos as well, but my RX100M3 was definitely the king of the photo castle. I don't expect that to change with maybe the exception of the 6s being capable of 4K recording. However, it will proably be a couple of years at least before I get a 4K TV to watch it.
 
darcyf said:
Prediction:

There are major camera improvements coming to the iPhone 7, and getting the pixel count up to 12M in the 6s was basically a stepping stone move. Perhaps the entire camera configuration will change, from the lenses all the way down to the size of the sensor itself -- a larger sensor would give us back those larger pixels Apple kept telling us were so important, while a larger lens with a larger aperture would let more light in on those precious pixels for better performance in low light and shallower depth of field when shooting 4K video.

Next year is a banner year for iPhone. Apple's 10th iPhone, running iOS 10 with an A10 chip. They've already made the physical devices bigger. Now they're going to make the features inside the phone bigger than ever before. Bigger camera. And who knows... maybe even a bigger battery?

Ok that last one might be pushing it. But I'm sticking to my guns on the camera. The next iPhone camera is going to be huge, inside and out.
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The iPhone 5 and 6 (5s as well) only got minor camera tweaks that improved photo quality. Any major camera upgrade like maybe a dual-lens camera will probably be reserved for the 7s. I think the camera on the 7 will be the current 12mp camera with some tweaks to improve photo quality. What do you think will be the big new features with the 7s?
 
OSXMavericks said:
Still can't get over the fact that they wait 4 years to increase the megapixels on both front and rear + add 4k video recording and then still offer 16GB.
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Pay for the upgrade then. They improved everything and kept the price the same across the board. What are you complaining about?

Also, have you priced 4K video cameras lately? Do they include storage? If you're going to be using the iPhone for capturing 4K video on a frequent basis, pay for the 128 GB option. Heck, if you can't, Apple even has convenient payment plans for you.
 
Tankmaze said:
4K video and live photos on a 16 GB iPhone, that's some great innovation there Apple !..... i'm gonna wait for iPhone 7 where Apple magically upgrade the base model to 32 GB.
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Why does everything has to be an innovation.... you seems to have a kind of religious faith on Apple.... that is probably the reason of so much hate lately...
 
PJivan said:
Why does everything has to be an innovation.... you seems to have a kind of religious faith on Apple.... that is probably the reason of so much hate lately...
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I was being sarcastic if you can't tell.

I am being reasonable, 16 GB iPhone for 4K videos and live photos (still pictures + videos) is really not acceptable for high end smartphone in 2015.
 
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