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The issue is that the 3.5mm jack is a standard port that is going to be replaced by a non standard port rendering every headphone useless and I don't think a dongle is the answer, neither is the more costly and inferior quality bluetooth.
I think you're absolutely right. I'd like to add if one standard is being replaced by another standard then this wouldn't be as nearly as bad. Yes people, USB C is a standard not owned by Apple.
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It'll be interesting to see which way AAPL stocks go (dive?) when the 7 drops.
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Something's fishy with these. The camera bezels of the big fony are completely different in design (not just shape) than the extruded camera bezel of the little fony.

It's almost unfashionable that Ivy would be able to sleep at night with such incongruencies.

I'm calling that pic a 3D render.

FAKE
But few people thought the mere thought of a camera bump was unApple like. Boy were we wrong .
 
I guess none of us can say for sure ATM, BUT it would be SO unlike Apple to do this. They have NEVER done this. 99.99% sure they will release standard EarPods with a lightening jack, I mean.....why not, really, it's no big deal, it no advancement, just a change, no brainer IMO. I'm sure they will release an adaptor, but they will sell it separately. IF they do include one(I don't think so) they WILL still include lightening EarPods.

There's one adapter I think they may include in the box with the Lightning earbuds.

A Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter so that customers can use their new Lightning earbuds on their older Apple products, like their Macs, and 30-pin iOS devices. It's in their benefit to get customers used to using Lightning equipment and adapting it to Legacy devices, instead of the other way around.

I also have a suspicion that a L-to-3.5 will be an inexpensive analogue adapter, and here's why -- Lightning is a smart connector. With a small charge, maybe even as minimal as the power transferred over a standard headphone jack (or at worst a month-long lasting rechargeable battery), the Lightning headphones can sense when plugged into a 3.5mm Jack, and bypass the headphone's internal DAC and amp, allowing the analogue signal to pass straight to the headphones. So it won't be expensive for Apple to make, or for customers to buy in bulk. And that would make the adoption of new Lightning equipment much more attractive than buying more expensive adapters to use old analogue equipment.
 
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I think they're doing it wrong to move towards Lightninh headphones. The right move for the iPhone 7 would have been to keep the 3.5mm jack, but include Lightning earbuds.
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I think it's more people being upset at Apple to "justify" removing a universal connector and trying to smooth it out with "but we gave you stereo speakers instead".
Apple isn't saying that. Apple isn't talking about the next iPhone at all. They haven't even announced when they plan to announce the next iPhone. People are upset about what they IMAGINE Apple saying.

For example, if you said something cruel about my mother.... HOW DARE YOU!!! I'm very angry with you right now.
 
Can't we get analogue audio out of the lightning port? Do we absolutely need a DAC inside the cable or the dongle?
 
Camera and battery technology are older than 3.5mm. Shall those "legacy technologies" get ejected next?
Absolutely. If there is a way to produce quality images that doesn't use "camera" technology, I'd be all for it. Imagine if the entire phone surface could be used as a detector that would allow you to create a high res three dimensional model of your surroundings, then generate the image using software...why would you want to stick with 1800's technology? And batteries? How about capacitors that can be charged in an instant, or a phone that pulls its energy from the environment? How about a lightweight power source that can power the phone for a decade? Why would you need a heavy battery?

The 3.5mm port is one of the last single-purpose ports out there in the consumer computing world. Back in the day, a computer had maybe a dozen unique ports labeled or color coded so you'd know where to connect your mouse, keyboard, modem, printer, scanner, monitor, etc.
 
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I'm so excited to skip the iPhone 7! My first time deviating from my standard biannual update!

6+ is going strong

Great. I will get back to you and let you know how much I like the iPhone 7 when it is released.
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Wow I feel really bad for the consumers who will purchase this, I can't believe Apple is going to just include an adapter and not actually change their earbuds to have a lightning connector. IMO they should include both. Don't get me wrong, the earbuds usually included are complete junk and worth less than the plastic they are wrapped in. But it's still a downer thinking of having a freakin dongle attached to my phone and having to deal with that in my pocket.


There have been numerous rumors/reports that Apple may revamp the ear pods with a lightning cable. This has not been confirmed obviously, but you can't say they won't change the ear pods without fact. Also, the ear pods always suited me fine, of course I have more costly options I prefer, but there not 'Junk' as you stated.
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The time had come for the headphone jack removal, it is very old analog technology that has to be converted to a digital signal within the iPhone. It's time for all digital headphones to be the norm.

Reasons to remove jack:
1) Will improve waterproofing
2) Will allow the iPhone to be thinner
3) Will save space internally by not have a DAC.
4) More space for a larger battery
5) Wireless has become a much better experience than current wired Apple headphones

I would be socked if the iPhone 7 does not come with wireless headphones. If it comes with wired lightning headphones or a dongle then Apple had started to lose its way.

My guess is if the iPhone 7 does arrive with Bluetooth ear pods, my guess is this will be a separate package, most likely at a premium. Maybe one package might include wired lightning ear pods and another package will include the Bluetooth ear pods for an additional cost to the buyer. I would welcome wireless EarPods though.
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At this point, the lack of the headphone jack is almost certain. What I want to know is the reaction of the audiences. Will they cheer when Apple announces this or will they boo? Must be an interesting keynote.

I am very excited to see the reaction for this Key Note. The invites should be sent out soon confirming dates for the event.
 
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"iPhone 7 to remove headphone jack!"

MR: Okay but it better come with a dongle wtf I miss Steve.

"iPhone 7 to come with dongle!"

MR: Okay but why would I want a dongle wtf I miss Steve.
 
Rumor is that the Swiss Army will be designing the next Apple adapter.

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You forgot 9 pin serial and 25 pin serial
 
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I might have to join in on that party, unless I can get past that headphone jack thing. I understand Lightning is supposed to be superior to the previous connector, but I've never had a single problem with the latter, and two of my phones have had problems with the former. I always have to make sure the phone's charging, and, worst case, have to restart it to get it to charge.
I hav had issues with multiple cable corroding in the car. Sometimes the cable hits the floor (I try to catch it if so) and (I assume) gets salty and corrodes. You can see the green oxidation on the pins. This was never a problem (or at least I never nticed an issue) with the 30-pin, possibly because they pins weren't so exposed? I have a cable in the car that I keep meaning to replace. It will only charge when plugged in one specific way. I probably shouldn't be using it but...
 
I hav had issues with multiple cable corroding in the car. Sometimes the cable hits the floor (I try to catch it if so) and (I assume) gets salty and corrodes. You can see the green oxidation on the pins. This was never a problem (or at least I never nticed an issue) with the 30-pin, possibly because they pins weren't so exposed? I have a cable in the car that I keep meaning to replace. It will only charge when plugged in one specific way. I probably shouldn't be using it but...

I'm assuming the climate you reside in suffers from colder temperatures. The other down side leaving cables in the car is when the temperature rises and lowers, moisture forms on the pins themselves, which then Goes un-noticed and the user plugs the cable into their phone, which can cause the Phone to short out. I only know this, as it's more common than not. Then the iPhone user sends the phone in for repair, thinking the phone has issues versus what really occurred. I always put my cables away in the center console to keep the cables In a dry/dark compartment. Obviously if you live in a colder State of course.
 
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I'm just getting sick of Apple making a lot of bad decisions (in my eyes).

  • soldering memory chips in devices
  • non standard SSDs
  • sticking to 8gb phones
  • single port on macbook
  • taking a long time to bring out upgrades to laptops/mac mini
  • hobling the mac mini
  • discontinuing aperture
  • rewriting software, putting out releases that remove most needed features and then slowly putting them back in (some of them)
  • not using standard ports (lightning vs usb-c)
  • lack of keyboard navigation (i've yet to figure out how to tab to different buttons in a dialog in OSX), I've never quite got used to Apples keyboard navigation compared to Linux/Windows.
  • high exchange rate is putting already expensive devices more expensive
  • expensive devices puts them out of reach of rest of family, I'm lucky I can afford Apple things
  • lack of waterproofing
  • lack of wireless charging
  • lack of configurability
Things I do like apple for:
  • Lovely looking devices
  • devices that just work
  • integration between devices
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That, sir ... is the perfect encapsulation of my feelings as well.
 
I'm assuming the climate you reside in suffers from colder temperatures. The other down side leaving cables in the car is when the temperature rises and lowers, moisture forms on the pins themselves, which then Goes un-noticed and the user plugs the cable into their phone, which can cause the Phone to short out. I only know this, as it's more common than not. Then the iPhone user sends the phone in for repair, thinking the phone has issues versus what really occurred. I always put my cables away in the center console to keep the cables In a dry/dark compartment. Obviously if you live in a colder State of course.
We live in MA now, but it was an issue in CA as well. I suggsed salt because in CA we were near the beach. In MA we are also near the beach, although roads are salted and we inevitably end up brining that into the car. ASnother issue we have had with all apple cables is the cable fraying near where it terminates to the lighting port (previously 30 pin port). This only seems to be an Apple branded issue.

I just bought a couple really short cables (3 inches or so) that plug directly into the head unit and are just long enough for the dash mount. I am hoping this eliminates the problem if I ever remember to put them in the car lol.
 
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Don't you all think that Apple would surely have thought of all the arguments and points raised in this thread and numerous others? That Apple would have mulled over the same dilemmas over and over again?

It's like people said. Removing the 3.5mm jack is a fairly monumental move, and if Apple does do it, they would definitely have considered the pros vs the cons a million times and decided that the benefits far outweighed the drawbacks.

I have this to say to Apple. If you want to drop the headphone jack, then let's get this over and done with.
 
Remember: After Apple ships the the iPhone 7 there will still be Android phone available for people who people who want a phone with a 3.5mm headphone jack.
 
That would be horrible to ship a dongle and no lightening headphones if they are doing away with the standard jack. But it makes financial sense.
 
That, sir ... is the perfect encapsulation of my feelings as well.
Same

I love apples general design and build quality. The stuff works well, and integrates well.

But damn if I don't appreciate their corporate business practices that are designed to purposely try and milk as much profit out of me, without offering anything significant anymore for those profit margins.
 
Can't we get analogue audio out of the lightning port? Do we absolutely need a DAC inside the cable or the dongle?
At the moment no, you cannot get analog audio through Lightning. Which means a DAC (and also an ADC for the mic which I don't see Earpods dropping). Personally this leads me to believe that we will see Lightning 2 that will allow analog pass through should this happen.
 
Absolutely. If there is a way to produce quality images that doesn't use "camera" technology, I'd be all for it. Imagine if the entire phone surface could be used as a detector that would allow you to create a high res three dimensional model of your surroundings, then generate the image using software...why would you want to stick with 1800's technology? And batteries? How about capacitors that can be charged in an instant, or a phone that pulls its energy from the environment? How about a lightweight power source that can power the phone for a decade? Why would you need a heavy battery?

I hope this switch from 3.5mm to lightning is equivalent to the incredible steps from camera and battery "as is" to capturing "three dimensional models" and "instant charge capacitors" or "pulling energy from the environment." I suspect if anyone else could expect to see (no hear) THAT big of a difference in THIS change, the sentiment for this change would be very different. The trick is that we've ALREADY had the ability to connect via Lightning (and Bluetooth) for at least a year+. Anyone able to experience such a dramatic improvement akin to your other examples there would have reported it and probably motivated the masses to ALREADY shift to Lightning or Bluetooth. That hasn't happened though. So it seems likely that the relative gains are not equivalent.

The 3.5mm port is one of the last single-purpose ports out there in the consumer computing world. Back in the day, a computer had maybe a dozen unique ports labeled or color coded so you'd know where to connect your mouse, keyboard, modem, printer, scanner, monitor, etc.

Yes, and all of those were replaced by the universal port replacement called USB. Another issue HERE is that instead of embracing USB with what will likely be the entirety of the rest of tech world that wants to "evolve" away from 3.5mm, Apple will stand alone with Lightning... setting up scenarios where there is no possible way to get by without dongles or us Apple people will need to get used to just doing without unless one can get every bit of their listening experiences with Apple hardware... and then perhaps only Apple iDevice hardware (as I'm not so sure Macs seemingly trying to go the 1 port route will dedicate the precious port space to adding a Lightning port for headphone use). So even between Apple iDevices and Apple Macs, we probably need a dongle... or dual connectors via wires... or we just settle with the generally inferior sound quality of bluetooth.

Since I'm not one of those people who can happily consume audio only from Apple iDevices, I will miss the ubiquity of 3.5mm. The ability to "just plug in" to about any audio-generating device in the world and it "just works" will be sacrificed- probably for many years at least- requiring anyone wanting that flexibility to be sure they are carrying an extra piece(s) of hardware with them. For example, I have near zero expectations of Airlines adding Lightning ports to their in-flight hardware for many years (and connecting via Bluetooth seems even further away). By the time entities like that might be ready to embrace it, Apple themselves will have "thinner"d it out of their own products, hopefully for USB but probably for the "thinner" (but still proprietary and thus profitable) Lightning 2.

Non-Apple hardware makers won't want to pay the license to install a proprietary jack and further enrich Apple when they can make the comparable- and Intel endorsed- evolution with USB (making THEIR new headphones plug right into Apple's own MACs easier than Apples new option, unless Apple rolls out new Macs with Lightning, which seems plausible... but do we really want precious port space dedicated to a Lightning port for headphone use? I know I'd rather have an extra USB port if Apple is going to add ports to Macs).

All the places where one would get added utility out of their headphones will now require that dongle to be available... or we just don't get to hear the audio. As the NBA playoffs were underway, I found myself flying multiple flights on multiple (game) nights. Sure I could have just locked into listening to ONLY the (other) audio output by my Apple iDevice. But the games were on and readily available. Unjack from iDevice and plug right into the various Airplane's 3.5mm jacks. That's the power of ubiquity. But let's give that up for the apparent superiority of niche proprietary that has already been available for a year+ and has apparently NOT changed the world for the audio enthusiasts... nor even caught on because one can hear the obvious superiority of audio delivered through that channel vs. 3.5mm.

Obviously, I'm not a fan of this change. I can't see any obvious gains for us consumers here... just gains for Apple and AAPL. I realize that many of us here feel compelled to support anything Apple wants to do- even if it seems to work against Apple's own customers- so I hope all those people enjoy rolling with this change, as they come to realize how much it affects them in the "real world." I don't see any scenario where even 10 years from now, Lightning will be as ubiquitous as 3.5mm is now. Bluetooth seems to be marching slowly and I doubt it is THE (as) ubiquitous solution either.

If this was another company- say Google or Samsung or Microsoft- pushing such a change to proprietary with Apple staying locked on non-proprietary ubiquity, I'm certain we'd be shouting "fragmentation," bashing dongle requirements to no end, etc. But now that we're buying that Apple is really going to do this, we're fragmented... with the usual suspects rationalizing it as hard as they can because Apple is always right. I hope we can enjoy how right Apple is with this change as it actually affects our own use of our future tech. I think those that only listen to audio through headphones via iDevices will feel no effect. Everyone else gets to roll with some level of hassles... some more-to-much-more than others.
 
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I hope this switch from 3.5mm to lightning is equivalent to the incredible steps from camera and battery "as is" to capturing "three dimensional models" and "instant charge capacitors" or "pulling energy from the environment." I suspect if anyone else could expect to see (no hear) THAT big of a difference in THIS change, the sentiment for this change would be very different. .

I've been thinking the same thing. I'll only upgrade to 7 if there's some massive changes that justifies this move, otherwise I'll just replace my 6 with a 6s and wait until the madness settles.
 
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