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Still not sure why people even bother with drop tests these days either. We all know what will happen to delicate things i.e. Glass when it is dropped. Stop wasting resources and give up on the 15 min of fame. They seem like such a big waste of time.

The 12-15 year olds that flood the internet love those things. Until they stop watching and making the video makers money, they will continue to exist.
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Is it drooping a phone in the toilet a common accident? I am curious because it is an example almost everyone uses when talking about water resistant Phones!!

I know two people who have done this. Both women, if that makes a difference. Possibly because they like the carry the phone in their back pocket?
 
MY 4S was dunked in salt water and survived. Just because it works right away doesn't mean it's not damaged. The battery eventually gets really hot while charging. Actually, now that I think about it, I think it's still alive...
 
Is it drooping a phone in the toilet a common accident? I am curious because it is an example almost everyone uses when talking about water resistant Phones!!
The one and only time I got a phone wet was many years ago, when I dropped my Motorola StarTac into a public toilet at a conference in Albuquerque.

It was in a case hooked to my belt loop, and I bumped it as I was in a stall. Luckily, the toilet was clean, because I was reaching in after it even as it was still falling! It felt like everything was in slow motion, with me yelling "nooooooo...!" as my hand followed.

Yes, I still remember it vividly. But the phone survived.
 
Is it drooping a phone in the toilet a common accident? I am curious because it is an example almost everyone uses when talking about water resistant Phones!!
Where I live I see many young women with phones in their back pockets which stick about half way out because the pockets are not deep enough. So yes, to some people it happens a lot. It will depend on what clothes you wear.
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I want Kim Kardashian to sit on the iPhone 7! Will it survive?
The higher the weight, the more danger. The higher the curve radius, you get less danger. So there is one thing putting the phone at risk, and one that might save it.
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That's the problem with these wimpy tests.

They totally ignored the REAL iPhone killers: toilets full of corrosive pee :D
Would _you_ volunteer to perform the test? I wouldn't.
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I'm betting the phone can handle a lot more then they have claimed, when one comes in with water damage I bet Apple will just replace it, would be cheaper then any kind of lawsuit, or even the publicity that would come from not replacing it.
Water damage is _not_ covered by warranty. So you might bet 2 cents, don't bet your iPhone.
 
The higher the weight, the more danger. The higher the curve radius, you get less danger. So there is one thing putting the phone at risk, and one that might save it.

Oh what a scientific dilemma. So it's curve factor versus sheer mass. I might have to dial up my homeboy Kanye to get a definitive answer on this.
 
Who’s paying for these phones? Like the JerryRigEverything guy that supposedly purchaesd the iPhone 7, having purchaed 30-something various phones previously. Ceratinly ad revenue alone can’t justify this expense? Or am I underestimating what’s to be made by YouTubers?

For larger YouTubers today the ad revenue is just one of several sources of income. Patreon accounts, direct sponsors, affiliate links and merchandise can generate serious money.

If you want to get a loose estimate of the income/traffic on a YouTube account you can do a search on SocialBlade. It seems like JerryRigEverything has close to 300k views a day:
https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/jerryrigeverything
 
If somebody gets their new iPhone rejected for warranty repair due to liquid damage, you'd definitely know they've been abusing it (based on these videos). Should make warranty cases a little easier.

I say that, but they'll claim they once got mildly splashed by a car while the phone was in their hand, and start a class-action lawsuit out of the whole thing.

Sorry no but you are wrong here. Please think about your words for a moment.
In manufacturing, mass scale, even medium scale you do not have 100% texting/inspection levels.

Be that Phones, Food, Cars etc.
You sample inspect.

You may need to destroy some products to correctly inspect they are up to standard (a crash helmet) OR if not you are going to take too long to check it.

It may be 1 in 5m 1 in 10, 1 in 50m 1 in 100, 1 in 1000 depending on what you are making.

So, SOME phones have been shown in videos surviving being in water within Apple's claims.
That is totally different to then assuming every single iPhone 7 that will ever be made will be just as good.

Now, it SHOULD be as good, but life is not perfect.

I could buy 20 ford cars, and drive around for a year, and all is good.
You could buy the 21st one and there is a water leak, or the engine breaks down, or a pipe comes off the end of something.

Going back to your point. Just because an iPhone in the future has water damage does not, in any way mean the user has abused it. It could just as well be the case that, THAT iPhone, due to manufacturing tolerances, and variations in assembly, or faults which just happen in reality and some go out the door before the fault is spotted, is not waterproof in one or more areas around the device.
 
In general people should treat water resistance/"water proofing" on cell phones for what it is - mainly something than might save your day if you are unlucky.

It is not meant to be something that lets you use you phone underwater or when swimming.

Also remember that in lots of situations where a phone might end up in water it is not a 'clean' fall from you pocket directly into shallow water. It will very often hit something on the way - like the edge of a pool or your toilet - before going into the water. Any damage from that can change the outcome dramatically.
 
I don't know where else to put this rant, but why not here.

I am currently on the phone with Apple Customer Care, where it has taken 45 minutes to reach someone. When I ordered my phone last week, I entered the wrong zip code. The site would not let me correct the zip code online, and asked me to call a customer care number. This I tried to do for 4-5 times over the past week, each time giving up after being put on hold for 30-45 minutes.

I now called since they went ahead and charged my credit card, tried to deliver the phone, but then told UPS to return it to Apple after the zip code did not match the address.

So after 45 minutes, I get a bunch of people who can't even look up the order number online to change it. They now just lost the connection, so I now have to call again.

Meanwhile, no phone, and my account still is charged.

If this is where the Apple customer support is going, you can spill as much as you want on the new iPhone 7, but this company is going down the tubes. RIM, anyone?
No, you learned a hard lesson in proof reading order entry forms on-line.
 
Who’s paying for these phones? Like the JerryRigEverything guy that supposedly purchaesd the iPhone 7, having purchaed 30-something various phones previously. Ceratinly ad revenue alone can’t justify this expense? Or am I underestimating what’s to be made by YouTubers?
From what I heard they got paid about $.02 to $.03 for every ad played. So if they have over a million views and the ad was played on 300K multiply that to $.02 and that's about $6K. That's just my conservative calculation and by any means this is not a confirmed statement. I have no doubt that popular Youtubers are making decent income, and Jerry is getting attention lately.
 
Going back to your point. Just because an iPhone in the future has water damage does not, in any way mean the user has abused it. It could just as well be the case that, THAT iPhone, due to manufacturing tolerances, and variations in assembly, or faults which just happen in reality and some go out the door before the fault is spotted, is not waterproof in one or more areas around the device.

It proves that the phone has been touched by water. And Apple doesn't cause water damage. They put some effort in to make the phones water resistant, and if you drop it into the toilet and it comes out fine, that's good for you and you should be happy and that's what Apple intended, but they don't give a warranty. If you drop it into the toilet and your phone was less water resistant than others, Apple doesn't give warranty on water damage, bad luck.
 
while water resistance is a great feature. Drop proof and/or shatter resistant from 5-6 ft. would be many times more beneficial to a much larger group of iPhone users.

10 years to get water resistance, I guess another 5 years to get shatter proof? We all have had to give up a lot of resilience to go to touch screens when we did.

I remember my first water resistant ( and drop proof) device. A Sony Walkman Sport. I got it in 1992 it worked until 2001 when I upgraded to NOMAD Jukebox Zen mp3 player. The Zen has no water resistance, but I took that sucker to the Arctic for 8 months in 2002, snowmobiling across open arctic tundra with it, -65 C and it still works today, big dents in the case and all. It never gets used anymore, but it still works. ;)

So maybe by 2020 we'll have a mobile smart device with the same kind of robust design and resilience we once expected by default.
 
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That's awesome. Maybe I'll finally have a reason to get a new iPhone some day.
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Is it drooping a phone in the toilet a common accident? I am curious because it is an example almost everyone uses when talking about water resistant Phones!!
It is because people use their phones while going no. 2, or it slips out of the pocket while sitting down.
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MY 4S was dunked in salt water and survived. Just because it works right away doesn't mean it's not damaged. The battery eventually gets really hot while charging. Actually, now that I think about it, I think it's still alive...
Er, I hope you dried it out before using it!
 
Who’s paying for these phones? Like the JerryRigEverything guy that supposedly purchaesd the iPhone 7, having purchaed 30-something various phones previously. Ceratinly ad revenue alone can’t justify this expense? Or am I underestimating what’s to be made by YouTubers?

I read it's almost nothing. $1 per 100k views?

I could be wrong. Someone back me up on that fact.
 
Apple didn't remove the headphone jack for water resistance.
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The S7 has better water resistance than iPhone 7 (Plus), at least in theory.

Right... In theory...
Considering the non rated Apple Watch was much much better than actually rated Samsung products, I'm going to say that Samsung's actually worse just on a hunch...
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while water resistance is a great feature. Drop proof and/or shatter resistant from 5-6 ft. would be many times more beneficial to a much larger group of iPhone users.

10 years to get water resistance, I guess another 5 years to get shatter proof? We all have had to give up a lot of resilience to go to touch screens when we did.

I remember my first water resistant ( and drop proof) device. A Sony Walkman Sport. I got it in 1992 it worked until 2001 when I upgraded to NOMAD Jukebox Zen mp3 player. The Zen has no water resistance, but I took that sucker to the Arctic for 8 months in 2002, snowmobiling across open arctic tundra with it, -65 C and it still works today, big dents in the case and all. It never gets used anymore, but it still works. ;)

So maybe by 2020 we'll have a mobile smart device with the same kind of robust design and resilience we once expected by default.

Well, glass is fragile; maybe if they make the screen out of transparent aluminium (Saphire) (which they kinda tried to do but it blew in their face) then we'd have something.
 
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It proves that the phone has been touched by water. And Apple doesn't cause water damage. They put some effort in to make the phones water resistant, and if you drop it into the toilet and it comes out fine, that's good for you and you should be happy and that's what Apple intended, but they don't give a warranty. If you drop it into the toilet and your phone was less water resistant than others, Apple doesn't give warranty on water damage, bad luck.

I think legally, in the UK anyway they would have to.
I do not believe you can advertise a product to the general public with XX as a feature, but then if XX fails say we don't guarantee that XX works.
I think a judge would take a dim view of such a bad practice, unless it's made super clear in the public advert that is cannot do it.

A product would be expected to do what the manufacture says it can do.
Apple just like to think they are above consumer rights laws.
 
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