Iphone 7 is still far behind the competition

[maxsix]

This poll is of little value because it's a pro Apple site. Nonetheless it'll be interesting to read what does get said.

Removal of the jack is lunacy.

 

[I7guy]

Most polls are of little value, eh. What about the poll that asked if Apple should remove the headphone jack? That one really caught apples eye.

Well they will either sink or be flying high.

 

[Zirel]

Meh. I will take Samsung Pay over Apple Pay anyday. And I love using Apple Pay.

Yes, being able to use it in less stores? Awesome!

 

[rui no onna]

Octa-core processors? Cool I guess, and they'll come eventually, but doesn't it say something about Apple's engineering superiority when they're able to deliver much more better performance with half the processing cores? The reason why these Android phones need an octa-core processor is because the metaphorical left hand doesn't know what the metaphorical right hand is doing. Android software and hardware is so badly paired in many cases that the only answer is pure horsepower. Apple's solution is to use a tightly-packed hardware and software solution. Put simply - Android phones use pure horsepower out of necessity while Apple's phones use finesse. It was the same with Macs back in the 2000's. They had lower specs because they didn't need higher specs.

Honestly, I don't get the complaint about iOS devices not having octa-core processors. Even on the desktop, few programs benefit from quad-core much less eight and people are more likely to do a lot of multitasking on the desktop than on mobile.

 

[mthomas184]

Yes, being able to use it in less stores? Awesome!

Use what in less stores? Samsung pay?

 

[C DM]

This poll is of little value because it's a pro Apple site. Nonetheless it'll be interesting to read what does get said.

Removal of the jack is lunacy.

Such a pro-Apple site that a good number of posts are always attacking Apple. 🙄
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Especially celebrities! Remember the iCloud hack, they all had there nudes stolen and uploaded online.

Seems like issues there were more about the security methods (or basically lack of them) than anything with actual cloud storage.

 

[buster84]

Honestly, I don't get the complaint about iOS devices not having octa-core processors. Even on the desktop, few programs benefit from quad-core much less eight and people are more likely to do a lot of multitasking on the desktop than on mobile.

It's about the battery power and reduced heat that you get from having more cores with a slower clock. It's not about the actual speed the processors. Iphones are at the point right now that any increase doesnt mean much for the average app anyways.

Xeon's are mult-core beats that have low power requirements which also reduces its heat output; they have always been designed this way for a long time now. This is why the Mac Pro desktops use xeons. They are superior chips over regular desktop chips, they just dont do well in gaming, but that's the fault of the game designers not the chip designers since games don't use more than 8 cores right now, but hopefully direct x12 will help to fix this problem and eventually we'll start to see games being designed for 20+ cores.

The biggest advantages to using this design in cell phones is to reduce the power requirements to boost battery time, as well as reduce the amount of heat the phone uses which makes it alot more easier to carry around and use for longer periods of times.

If people still dont understand why i added that to the list then i wont be able to help them and they are more likely gamer's that chase the clock speed because game designers are to lazy to add true multicore support which is far superior in every way anyways. Clock speed has already reached its maximum roof already, its why multicores have taken over and why we dont see 10ghz processors since increasing the clock speed increases heat drastically which also increases power requirements. This is definitely something you don't want in the cell phone category's.

 

[fsfty]

Yes, being able to use it in less stores? Awesome!

Samsung Pay works on any card reader, not just NFC readers like Apple Pay. Samsung Pay is leaps and bounds ahead of Apple pay...not even close.

 

[rui no onna]

It's about the battery power and reduced heat that you get from having more cores with a slower clock. It's not about the actual speed the processors. Iphones are at the point right now that any increase doesnt mean much for the average app anyways.

Xeon's are mult-core beats that have low power requirements which also reduces its heat output; they have always been designed this way for a long time now. This is why the Mac Pro desktops use xeons. They are superior chips over regular desktop chips, they just dont do well in gaming, but that's the fault of the game designers not the chip designers since games don't use more than 8 cores right now, but hopefully direct x12 will help to fix this problem and eventually we'll start to see games being designed for 20+ cores.

The biggest advantages to using this design in cell phones is to reduce the power requirements to boost battery time, as well as reduce the amount of heat the phone uses which makes it alot more easier to carry around and use for longer periods of times.

If people still dont understand why i added that to the list then i wont be able to help them and they are more likely gamer's that chase the clock speed because game designers are to lazy to add true multicore support which is far superior in every way anyways. Clock speed has already reached its maximum roof already, its why multicores have taken over and why we dont see 10ghz processors since increasing the clock speed increases heat drastically which also increases power requirements. This is definitely something you don't want in the cell phone category's.

Honestly, power gating on new Intel processors (starting with Sandy Bridge) is very good. Underlying architecture in x86-64 desktop and server processors are the same really. The Mac Pro and other workstations use Xeons I suspect for ECC support rather than power considerations. Also, the workload on workstations are likely better suited for multithreading (e.g. CAD, 3D rendering, video editing, etc) than typical home use.

Not everything can be multithreaded. Iirc, even x264 (H.264/AVC video encoder) doesn't scale well beyond 32 cores. There's also overhead involved with managing a lot of parallel threads.

By the way, all things being equal (architecture, clock rate, #cores) Xeons do just as well as desktop i5s and i7s in gaming. The extra horsepower on 6- or 8-core Xeons is usually just unnecessary as the bottleneck is typically the graphics card (even in SLI/XFire multi-GPU configurations). Now if you compare, say, 6-core Nehalem/Westmere Xeon to 4-core Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge/Haswell for gaming, then of course the latter will be better. The newer architecture simply has better IPC (and is more power efficient to boot).

Typical core configuration I see on mobile devices is having some slow cores (low power usage for undemanding tasks) and some fast cores (high performance for demanding tasks). The device switches between the different sets of cores depending on the workload. It's not like all the cores are running at the same time. That said, this isn't the only method available for lowering power consumption. Granted, I do believe the new A10 Fusion uses this configuration (2 fast+2 slow cores).

All things considered, I think Apple does pretty well on the power management front considering the battery capacity on their iPhones.

iPhone 6s: 1715 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S6: 2550 mAh
Samsung Galaxy S7: 3000 mAh

 

[JoJoCal19]

Aside from all the great reasons usually mentioned, the biggest reason I will continue keeping an iPhone as my primary is the fact that it's manufacturer tells the carriers to chuff off when it comes to customizations, bloatware, and updates. When Samsung or any other Android manufacturer does the same, then I'll consider it for use as my primary. For now I like Apple keeping sole control of the software and updates.

 

[MartyCan]

No doubt they're software is better integrated, but I think Google are getting there. What I find strange is the need for people to blindly run Android down, I like both operating systems and ecosystem, and only an idiot would claim Android devices are far behind an iPhone

I'm not blindly running Android down. I tried an S5. Tried toughing it out for a few months. Really couldn't stand the Android interface and set up. My S5 also spent 6 weeks in the shop because one of the cameras was slipping out of place and the lens was obstructed. The plastic chrome around the outside kept chipping and looking beat up in no time at all.

Nothing about it was a good experience.

 

[ucfgrad93]

Meh, as far as I'm concerned people should get what works best for them and let everyone else do the same.

 

[brianric]

Aside from all the great reasons usually mentioned, the biggest reason I will continue keeping an iPhone as my primary is the fact that it's manufacturer tells the carriers to chuff off when it comes to customizations, bloatware, and updates. When Samsung or any other Android manufacturer does the same, then I'll consider it for use as my primary. For now I like Apple keeping sole control of the software and updates.

Amen.

 

[Bojan]

Yeah...go run right out and pick up that Samsung Galaxy Note.

Watch out that it doesn't explode in your pocket in the meanwhile

 

[enriquesh96]

Go buy an android then....

 

[chiefsilverback]

I could care less about the headphone jack. Seriously. Could. Not. Care. Less.

Being British I can't let this one slide. You either could care less, or your couldn't care less, you can't do both! 😉
[doublepost=1473392688][/doublepost]I echo many of the comments here re. the OP's rather 'selective' presentation of 'facts'. Don't all the benchmarks show that whilst the latest Android devices are theoretically faster, in real world performance the iPhone 6S smashes past them? If that's true and the iPhone 7 is 40% faster then it seems like those android devices need to quickly move to 16 core processors if they want to keep up. To use a motoring analogy, Colin Chapman who founded Lotus (niche, lightweight British sports cars) instilled in the company's ethos the mantra of "add lightness". If you make the car lighter, you need less power for the same performance, which means you can use a smaller engine which means less weight, which means less power...

As for the camera comments. Considering most people only look at the photos they've taken on the device they've taken them on the discussion about quality is really moot. My wife complained yesterday that the camera on her SE isn't as good as the camera on my 6S. I had to explain to her that the cameras are identical, but the 6S has a better screen...

 

[modernmoments]

The fact that people are using the explosion thing as a reason to respond to the OP is not helping their cause. A 0.1% issue that Samsung responsibly called a recall for is not the reason. While this is a major issue, it could happen to any supplier. Apple gets their batteries from Asia and it could have happened to them.

Not to mention, at least Samsung has taken responsibility, unlike antenna gate which Apple actually had the audacity to tell people they were holding the phone wrong. I love Apple, but that was the worst handling of a consumer issue I can remember.

 

[Cigsm]

Samesung pay is leaps and bounds ahead of Apple Pay in what regard. Certainly not popularity as Apple Pay controls 90% of the market. Certainly not in banks as Samesung pay doesn't even half half of the top 10 us banks on board.

Samsung Pay works on any card reader, not just NFC readers like Apple Pay. Samsung Pay is leaps and bounds ahead of Apple pay...not even close.