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I didn't expect all the "waste of time," comments. I'm disappointed this thread is crushed under the myopic opinions of pure consumers: people who simply buy whatever's sold by a company they admire.
Haven't you ever tinkered with anything? I broke several cars with mods I was sure were an improvement over the original (and in most cases weren't). The mods weren't the point. The knowledge was.

Go break something tinkering. It's hardly a waste of time. You'll learn a helluva lot more than you ever could buying anything.
 
I fully agree with your points, but this is a fight you won't win. People choose perceived ease of use to sound quality.

I said perceived and not actual ease of use. Especially when you factor in the cost of BT headphones and the need to charge them.

Cassette tapes were much the same situation back in the 1970's. Worse sound than an 8-track, but you could record more music on a cassette tape. Of course you lost a lot of sound quality because you made the tape yourself and with a cheap tape deck, but the cassettes WERE smaller and more portable. So what if they all had a loud hiss in the background that even Dolby systems couldn't get rid of entirety. For most people music is something that plays in the background.

Thanks for contributing to the real discussion - it seems to rare these days. :) I appreciate your insights, especially about the sad point that most people won't notice poor quality sound. I wonder - do customers really think it's "easier"/"more convenient" to wait for headphones to pair with their iPhone than plug in a cable, or could it be that it looks really cool to have no wires?

I still am holding out hope that someone will create a high quality wireless audio standard, and that eventually Apple will be pressured into using it, because all their competitors are touting it and selling more headphones. We're just talking a megabit/second here in a gigabit age... how can engineers be so stingy?
 
I agree with the others who said "I've moved on.". I use wireless Airpods. Earpods are what I would use if nothing else was around.
 
I didn't expect all the "waste of time," comments. I'm disappointed this thread is crushed under the myopic opinions of pure consumers: people who simply buy whatever's sold by a company they admire.
Haven't you ever tinkered with anything? I broke several cars with mods I was sure were an improvement over the original (and in most cases weren't). The mods weren't the point. The knowledge was.

Go break something tinkering. It's hardly a waste of time. You'll learn a helluva lot more than you ever could buying anything.

Iits just a poor quality mod though!
 
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This lack of ports stuff is a REAL issue for a LOT of us. If I didn't have such an investment in Apple software I'd be long gone. I think it's OK for some people to say, "oh - well I never needed that port, so I'm OK with it being gone", but it's NOT OK for people to tell others they DON'T need something.

I never saw a single person complaining about the iPhone6S "I love it, but wish there wasn't a headphone jack on it", nor did I ever hear people complaining about their Macbook Pro having ports.

If people just keep bashing others who complain when Apple makes their offerings worse, they're just contributing to a declining level of Apple products.

Right now, Apple is a monopoly like AT&T - I have just 2 options - (1) use an enormous pile of dongles or (2) walk away and leave. Thanks goodness Samsung has more sense than that.

Actually Samsung is starting to move away from headphone jacks as well.
 
I didn't expect all the "waste of time," comments. I'm disappointed this thread is crushed under the myopic opinions of pure consumers: people who simply buy whatever's sold by a company they admire.
Haven't you ever tinkered with anything? I broke several cars with mods I was sure were an improvement over the original (and in most cases weren't). The mods weren't the point. The knowledge was.

Go break something tinkering. It's hardly a waste of time. You'll learn a helluva lot more than you ever could buying anything.
While this is very true. It would've been more useful to see if he could close up the hole or make the iPhone charge inductively. He moved backwards and there is still learning in that. However, it would've been more interesting to see him move things forward.
 
I applaud the guy, tinkerers make the world go round. Phil Schiller is a GradeDoubleApompousJackAss for his "Courage" comment and set me hard against these clowns for their hubris. Sure the ecosystem is pretty stable, but is seems the likes of Samsung are doing a hell of a job with hardware and managing to keep the one of the most useful ubiquitous jacks on a phone, and still be water tight.

I love Bluetooth, use it every day with all 3rd party headsets but there are times when a wired headset is perfect. The current situation with adapters and dongles to use a freaking wired headset and charge at the same time is a sad joke.

I'll probably jump ship within the next gen or so as Apple's self serving interests are wearing me thin.
 
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Or, you could just buy the $7 lightning to headphone adapter. But hey, whatever floats your boat dude. Glad some people have that kind of free time on their hands.
 
Sure, I have no details why larger taptic engine is used or what are the reasonings behind it but there are plenty of phones with barometric measurements with waterproofing along with other functions and their respective hardware needed. Its all about arrangements and the space it needs, right? What if I say that iPhone was 1-2mm longer would they all fit?

But it isn't 1-2mm longer. Also, I'd waged the other phones have a barometrc vent.
 
So instead of being a brainless consumer that accepts things for how they are, he wants to challenge himself and see if he can achieve a goal that he's set for himself. Yah, pointless! \s

Yes, in the grand scheme of things pointless. There is already a solution. His solution doesn't move anything further - it's essentially a one-off. And to call consumers who "accept" changes "brainless" is incorrect & arrogant. They make a conscious decision whether it's worth time and effort and either buy or don't buy given the entirety of the product.

It's clear now that the headphone jack just isn't a big deal to the vast majority of consumers. It's similar to the vanishing optical audio output on electronics. It's useful to some but not essential to most. It's not enough to cause a drop in sales or adoption with adapters & options being available. It's not the first time in history where a standard has been dropped.
 
They removed it to add more revenue products...$159 airpods and $9 dongles.

No they didn't. They removed it so they could put in that larger taptic engine. If it wasn't for that, they could have moved the barometric sensor and had the vent. It's all about space.
 
Greedy Apple. My suggestion for those that think Apple is too Greedy is move on.

Note to the world, Apple has always been Greedy, just look at the margins.

Okay, could you continue with why you think this is a greed move and not an internal space issue?
 
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