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I didn't expect all the "waste of time," comments. I'm disappointed this thread is crushed under the myopic opinions of pure consumers: people who simply buy whatever's sold by a company they admire.
Haven't you ever tinkered with anything? I broke several cars with mods I was sure were an improvement over the original (and in most cases weren't). The mods weren't the point. The knowledge was.

Go break something tinkering. It's hardly a waste of time. You'll learn a helluva lot more than you ever could buying anything.
Clearly it is a waste of time. Apple has deemed the headphone jack to be an archaic hold-over from a long forgotten past. Who is anyone to dispute that! :rolleyes: :eek::D (yes, this is sarcasm)
 
So you don't know that USB-C is not good standard since the same connector does not work with all manufacturers across the board. If it would work as intended, then you could charge your macbook with any USB-C charger but that is not the reality. Maybe in the future they will fix the standard but even then we don't know how Apple will reflect the changes.

It works with every charger i've used I think you're still thinking about data from Early 2015.

I have two Apple chargers, a multiport charger from Macally, a multi port charger from Anker, an Anker battery and an Aukey charger - they all charge the 15" MacBook Pro and the Retina MacBook perfectly and enable high speed charging of the iPad Pro's.
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Only those 4 ports are directly compatible with hardly anything right now. And its been almost a year since they were launched and the situation has not changed a bit. You need an adapter to plug anything into those 4 ports. If you are okay with dongles sticking out of your laptop for basic compatibility, then good for you.

Utter utter nonsense - and this is supposed to be a tech forum.

ALL the ports are compatible with every USB device ever made. I threw away all the rubbish USB-A cables with a connector 15 years out of date and upgraded them to USB-C a far superior reversible connector. You have been able for two years to do this - just replace the cables, no adapters, no dongles needed - I've not used a dongle once in 10 months ownership of the last two MacBook Pros.

Honestly these are the sort of ignorant and moronic misconceptions i'd except from people who don't have a clue about technology but the fact they're rife on here is astonishing to be honest.
 
Okay, could you continue with why you think this is a greed move and not an internal space issue?

That isn't my actual answer, I was just spreading the overwhelming calling card of those that don't think it is a space issue.

Do I think it was a space issue personally? Probably somewhat, however, it is Apple and if they wanted to I am sure they could have found a way to make it all work with one there. To me it makes far more sense to get rid of it for waterproofing.

I work in audio and I could care less if it has a headphone jack as you can always buy the dongle, and for those that are complaining about audio quality like I said earlier, if you want audio quality you aren't playing MP3s off an iPhone or streaming music using services like Pandora, Spotify or even Apple Music.
 
(1) use an enormous pile of dongles or (2) walk away and leave.

See above - utter nonsense - the headphone port is a valid-ish moan - the USB-C ports are a 100% upgrade on anything that has come before.

I now manage to use LESS hubs, NO dongles and mush more streamlined charging with a single cable that can connect everything to one port.

You lot really need to educate yourself instead of just moaning about everything. This may be written text but two ears, one mouth bares well.
 
That isn't my actual answer, I was just spreading the overwhelming calling card of those that don't think it is a space issue.

Do I think it was a space issue personally? Probably somewhat, however, it is Apple and if they wanted to I am sure they could have found a way to make it all work with one there. To me it makes far more sense to get rid of it for waterproofing.

I work in audio and I could care less if it has a headphone jack as you can always buy the dongle, and for those that are complaining about audio quality like I said earlier, if you want audio quality you aren't playing MP3s off an iPhone or streaming music using services like Pandora, Spotify or even Apple Music.

Ah, okay.

Guess I just got ahead of myself because a lot of people seem to be ignoring that big taptic engine taking up all that internal space.
 
What a great use of three months of your lifetime! Now the wise thing to do next would be to spend the next three months adding a Firewire port to a 2017 Macbook Pro.
 
Which begs the question; why do you care if the headphone jack is there or not? You're not forced to use it.

If I pay close to £1000 for a device I would prefer it didn’t have an ancient technology in it, only what I need and the latest. Meaning that space it is used for something I don’t need, better be used for something that I find useful. I do realise people still love to listen through wires, fair enough. There will always be people who also listen vinyl. That just isn’t me.

You on the other hand are not forced to buy a device that have no headphone jack.
 
It works with every charger i've used I think you're still thinking about data from Early 2015.

I have two Apple chargers, a multiport charger from Macally, a multi port charger from Anker, an Anker battery and an Aukey charger - they all charge the 15" MacBook Pro and the Retina MacBook perfectly and enable high speed charging of the iPad Pro's.
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Utter utter nonsense - and this is supposed to be a tech forum.

ALL the ports are compatible with every USB device ever made. I threw away all the rubbish USB-A cables with a connector 15 years out of date and upgraded them to USB-C a far superior reversible connector. You have been able for two years to do this - just replace the cables, no adapters, no dongles needed - I've not used a dongle once in 10 months ownership of the last two MacBook Pros.

Honestly these are the sort of ignorant and moronic misconceptions i'd except from people who don't have a clue about technology but the fact they're rife on here is astonishing to be honest.
You proved my point. I said they are not directly compatible. I meant you cannot plug anything in it without a dongle. You had to throw away your old cables for new ones. How is that different than buying a dongle? And why should I throw away perfectly good cables and buy new ones? USB-A works perfectly well for a lot of people, majority in fact. I work in an engineering environment and no one has felt the need to switch to USB-C here or any other place I have worked. No point throwing them away.

Also, if you want to think you have superior technical knowledge than a lot of people, continue living in your bubble. I never understand why people think it is necessary to show the whole world that hurling insults comes naturally to them.
 
Your headphones DO NOT last a week per charge with frequent use. I rather just plug them in and go.

You do realize you're being pretty arrogant with your mentality that wired headphones have no place, right? Nobody cared for the existence of bluetooth on phones, but now all of a sudden a headphone jack is a big deal to you? What phone on the market took away bluetooth just to have a 3.5mm jack?

Which begs the question; why do you care if the headphone jack is there or not? You're not forced to use it.

I get that people want to use wired headphones on their iPhone. There is an adapter for that if you don't want to use the bundled EarPods. That being said I'd be hard pressed to believe that anyone that truly cares about sound quality is listening to music on their iPhone and caring about the quality. If you care about sound quality you're listening to music on expensive cans with a good pre-amp on something other than your phone. In most situations youre going to find yourself listening to music on an iPhone sound quality isnt going to be much of a consideration because the background noise will be too much to get good sound quality. I bought AirPods because the sound quality is good enough for the situations I use them in (listening at work, listening while exercising, etc) and the convenience is great. Used the EarPods before. The AirPods were worth every penny.
 
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Sooo.... he traveled to China. Met interesting people. Conducted a successful experiment to install a working headphone jack in an iPhone 7. In the process, he greatly increased his knowledge of the inner workings of the phone and adapters. Maybe made some money with views, etc. Got his name out and demonstrated his considerable skill. And you call all this a waste of time? Compared to what??? Surfing Macrumors and playing video games and picking your nose? Give me a break.

For whatever career goal one could possibly have in life, there will be a much, much better approach to get there than by taking four months to build a headphone jack into an iPhone.
 
I don't understand the hostility to the mod, he's not trying to sell it and has leveled any criticism he's just doing what tinkerers do

Because people (Or forum members) naturally try to find fault for something else someone did that they find frivolous or pointless. In another words, their views and opinions don't align with the imagination this individual has to make something that no one else cared to. This guy has a very determined and unique mind set, which is respectable.
 
See above - utter nonsense - the headphone port is a valid-ish moan - the USB-C ports are a 100% upgrade on anything that has come before.

I now manage to use LESS hubs, NO dongles and mush more streamlined charging with a single cable that can connect everything to one port.

You lot really need to educate yourself instead of just moaning about everything. This may be written text but two ears, one mouth bares well.
Out of curiosity, what was the last criticism that someone leveled against Apple that you considered to be a valid complaint? :confused:
 
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that is courage, not Apple removing an important connector.

If this does not change, my next phone will be an Android, with headphones jack. Problem solved.

Might as well move now. But what will you do when they move on as well?
 
It would be far easier (and cheaper) to modify 10 pairs of wired headphones to have a Lightning plug and D/A converter than it would be to modify a single iPhone.

While a very nicely-executed mod, it's also a very difficult, expensive mod that compromises the water resistance and functional integrity of the primary bit of equipment, voids useful warranty coverage, and makes swap-out/replacement of a malfunctioning device impractical. Apple would refuse to repair it (even out of warranty), and the job has an approximately 2-year lifespan before upgrading to the next model.

By comparison, modded headphones can be used with nearly any iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. Although the headphone warranty would be equally void, the need for warranty service is far less likely, and the effort and cost of reproducing the mod should the headphones have to be replaced is far, far less.

Of course, using/replacing dongles is even cheaper and easier, but this is clearly the principle of the thing. I think the pursuit of a dongle-free existence is a Quixotic quest, but we all have some affection for that dear, fictional knight.

As a former recording/broadcast engineer who modded a fair amount of gear back in analog days, built countless custom adapter cables and interface boxes, and has been accustomed to making heavy use of adapters and dongles for, well, forever...

If one of my bosses had suggested I mod their iPhone rather than mod their headphones or use a dongle, I'd have replied that it's an impractical solution compared to the alternatives. The boss could still have gotten his way, of course. I'd have shrugged at the end, said, "It's your money," and proceeded with the project.

The only reason, imho, for the boss to insist on modding the iPhone would be for the bragging rights. I did have a boss like that; I can imagine him showing off his one-of-a-kind iPhone to all his clients and fellow musicians, producers, and songwriters. I'd even have gathered some personal glory - he liked to impress people with the talents of his hand-picked staff. But most of the time, even he would have made the practical decision.
 
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that is courage, not Apple removing an important connector.

If this does not change, my next phone will be an Android, with headphones jack. Problem solved.

If you think the headphone jack is coming back you might as well go ahead and switch now.
 
Your comment definitely was.

Not really a kind comment. Why do people climb mountains? He had a desire to complete a project and through his perserverance and knowledge he did it. Has the poster ever done anything significant?

I think that's the definition of 'hobby'.

So instead of being a brainless consumer that accepts things for how they are, he wants to challenge himself and see if he can achieve a goal that he's set for himself. Yah, pointless! \s

Lol, are you all his mates? Caught me a school of fish today.

Pointless waste of time.
 
Sooo.... he traveled to China. Met interesting people. Conducted a successful experiment to install a working headphone jack in an iPhone 7. In the process, he greatly increased his knowledge of the inner workings of the phone and adapters. Maybe made some money with views, etc. Got his name out and demonstrated his considerable skill. And you call all this a waste of time? Compared to what??? Surfing Macrumors and playing video games and picking your nose? Give me a break.

I'll have you know that picking my nose is not a worthless venture.

to quote the famous philosopher, Stimpy... "Those are my nose goblins... I picked them myself!"
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the 3.5 MM jack is the standard analogue audio output port for just about every single piece of audio equipment in the world. Not just mobile technology devices like smartphones, but everything from home stereo units to studio producers. The 3.5 mm audio jack has been around for decades because it's still the simplest, easiest and most effective way of getting analogue audio signals to our brains. With an Analogue audio jack like the 3.5mm jack, speakers and headphones can be nothing more than simple wires with speakers on the other end. They don't require additional / complex circuitry in the cabing or headset.

if you go anywhere in the world. If the device produces audio, there's likely a 3.5mm jack somewhere on it. This is true from anything produced from the 1980's till today.

Apple dropping the headphone jack is an exception to this. That doesn't suddenly make them "Forward thinking" because they didn't actually replace the technology with something equal or better. They just completely cut out the analogue audio jack and expect everyone to use work-arounds (Adapter or forced switch to bluetooth) as a solution. When in reality, there was 0 reason for Apple to remove the jack.
 
Spend four months of your life for YESTERDAYS Technology.....really?
Can you explain why wired headphones are YESTERDAY'S technology? Wired headphones have a superior frequency range and improved signal to noise ratio compared to an identical pair of headphones using a Bluetooth interface, for also lower cost. Are wired hifi loudspeakers also YESTERDAY'S technology? Also, wired headphones do not introduce an audio delay.
 
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