iPhone 7 no headphone Jack Petition

[gngan]

I guess your vision is too narrow to understand why it is related. I guess I should spell it out for you?

You don't understand why Apple would remove the 3.5mm jack while we don't understand why you are so concern about Apple removing DVD drive. Everyone has an opinion while yours is 'quite' different to many others.

 

[jwolf6589]

I guess your vision is too narrow to understand why it is related. I guess I should spell it out for you?

You don't understand why Apple would remove the 3.5mm jack while we don't understand why you are so concern about Apple removing DVD drive. Everyone has an opinion while yours is 'quite' different to many others.

You need to read this thread again sir. Plenty of people want the headphone jack still in the iPhone. You ignore posts that support this opinion and only focus on others that support yours.

 

[lagwagon]

You need to read this thread again sir. Plenty of people want the headphone jack still in the iPhone. You ignore posts that support this opinion and only focus on others that support yours.

A couple handfuls of people on a forum raising a stink about a jack doesn't mean it's the masses wanting it still there.

By nature, forums attract people to complain about something. Rarely are there praise. Unhappy = seek somewhere to rant. Happy = continues to use their device with no need to seek anywhere to rant.

Will plenty of people out of the hundreds of millions of iPhone users want the jack still? Yes, because even an extremely small percent of total users would be in the millions. But I highly doubt they're the majority. Most people already use BT. Or they only use EarPods. Or they don't require headphones for their PHONE at all. Or even some have a 3.5mm pair will realize that Lightning can provide a higher audio quality and upgrade/buy new headphones.

There will always be the stubborn few left over that refuse to move with the times. It happens when anything goes through change (not just electronics)

The situation is not as dramatic as some are making it out to be.

 

[gngan]

You need to read this thread again sir. Plenty of people want the headphone jack still in the iPhone. You ignore posts that support this opinion and only focus on others that support yours.

So as you... you ignore posts that support this and you only focus on the problem when there is a solution.

 

[jwolf6589]

This is all rumor. We do not even know if Apple will remove the headphone jack. I am sure plenty of rumors were made in years past that did not come true, but of coarse people will only talk about the ones that did and forget the ones that did not.

 

[lagwagon]

This is all rumor. We do not even know if Apple will remove the headphone jack. I am sure plenty of rumors were made in years past that did not come true, but of coarse people will only talk about the ones that did and forget the ones that did not.

It's been just about confirmed from the supply chain to be happening. There were numerous articles on it back in January.

 

[jwolf6589]

It's been just about confirmed from the supply chain to be happening. There were numerous articles on it back in January.

Well if this is true I am just going to get a unit with more memory for my iPhone 6 or 6s when I upgrade next year.

 

[Dave245]

Who would of thought a headphone jack would cause so much trouble. I wonder how many people are kicking up a fuss now but when the iPhone 7 is announced in September will actually buy it, after all it's not like this is the first time Apple have done something like this, they removed the floppy drive people went nuts, they removed the DVD drive people went nuts, they made the very thin Macbook with one port and people went nuts, yet people have still brought and are still buying (in the case of the 12" Macbook it is said to be selling well).

Personally i use my headphone jack everyday to listen to music on the way to work, at home and so on, but i'm willing to wait and see what Apple have for us in September, Apple are likely to remove the headphone jack but at the same time they are likely to do it for a reason and offer another way to listen to music, after all they offer a streaming service and will not want people to stop listening to music on their phones. We will likely see a pair of "AirPods" included in the iPhone 7 box, maybe even an adapter for those who have wired headphones. There is also rumour that Apple are working on a "premium" version of completely wireless earphones (think Bragidash style).

 

[lagwagon]

Who would of thought a headphone jack would cause so much trouble. I wonder how many people are kicking up a fuss now but when the iPhone 7 is announced in September will actually buy it, after all it's not like this is the first time Apple have done something like this, they removed the floppy drive people went nuts, they removed the DVD drive people went nuts, they made the very thin Macbook with one port and people went nuts, yet people have still brought and are still buying (in the case of the 12" Macbook it is said to be selling well).

Personally i use my headphone jack everyday to listen to music on the way to work, at home and so on, but i'm willing to wait and see what Apple have for us in September, Apple are likely to remove the headphone jack but at the same time they are likely to do it for a reason and offer another way to listen to music, after all they offer a streaming service and will not want people to stop listening to music on their phones. We will likely see a pair of "AirPods" included in the iPhone 7 box, maybe even an adapter for those who have wired headphones. There is also rumour that Apple are working on a "premium" version of completely wireless earphones (think Bragidash style).

100% agree with your first paragraph. There will always people who go nuts whenever anything is changed and then it becomes a non-issue after a year or two. Lightning can provide higher quality audio. BT isn't as good yet but will get better eventually. In 3-5 years people will wonder why headphones stuck to a 100 year old plug and didn't change sooner.

They'll for sure bundle Lightning EarPods. The adapter I would say maybe 50/50 chance of being bundled.

There was a patent very recently that was for EarPods that were both wired and wireless convertible.

Apple is also said to be working on a new HD audio format for iTunes and Apple Music. Only accessible through Lightning though because it can do higher quality vs the 3.5mm.

 

[John Mcgregor]

100% agree with your first paragraph. There will always people who go nuts whenever anything is changed and then it becomes a non-issue after a year or two. Lightning can provide higher quality audio. BT isn't as good yet but will get better eventually. In 3-5 years people will wonder why headphones stuck to a 100 year old plug and didn't change sooner.

They'll for sure bundle Lightning EarPods. The adapter I would say maybe 50/50 chance of being bundled.

There was a patent very recently that was for EarPods that were both wired and wireless convertible.

Apple is also said to be working on a new HD audio format for iTunes and Apple Music. Only accessible through Lightning though because it can do higher quality vs the 3.5mm.

Fewer holes on the bottom of the device to collect dust is always welcome.

 

[Dave245]

Apple is also said to be working on a new HD audio format for iTunes and Apple Music. Only accessible through Lightning though because it can do higher quality vs the 3.5mm.

I didn't know that, it all seems to make sense, remove the headphone jack and use the lighting port also improve sound for Apple Music and iTunes, this will offset the negatives of removing the headphone jack. I'm looking forward to what Apple will announce in September, i'm currently using the iPhone 6 Plus so i will be upgrading to the 7 .

 

[trifid]

100% agree with your first paragraph. There will always people who go nuts whenever anything is changed and then it becomes a non-issue after a year or two. Lightning can provide higher quality audio. BT isn't as good yet but will get better eventually. In 3-5 years people will wonder why headphones stuck to a 100 year old plug and didn't change sooner.

In 3-5 years we'll live in a fragmented world of USB-C headphones, lightning headphones, and cumbersome lightning adapters and everyone will remember Apple as the greedy company that instead of adopting a universal connector for the future of digital headphones such as usb-c, they chose propietary.

 

[cynics]

Apple was getting annoyed not making money from 3rd party manufactures that used the 3.5mm jack. If they get rid of it those manufactures will be forced to pay a licensing fee to Apple (which carries over to the consumer) to utilize the lightning connector.

Like mentioned above, its standard practice for Apple to remove hardware from a device, not lower that devices price and sell it separately. That will probably be the case here if you wish to use your current wired accessories.

It'll be ok everyone, bend over and wait your turn.

 

[lagwagon]

Apple was getting annoyed not making money from 3rd party manufactures that used the 3.5mm jack. If they get rid of it those manufactures will be forced to pay a licensing fee to Apple (which carries over to the consumer) to utilize the lightning connector.

Like mentioned above, its standard practice for Apple to remove hardware from a device, not lower that devices price and sell it separately. That will probably be the case here if you wish to use your current wired accessories.

It'll be ok everyone, bend over and wait your turn.

No need for bending over. I'll continue to enjoy listening to my music on my iPhone 7 when its out. And higher quality music when they release their HD audio for iTunes and Apple Music that will be only be heard through the superior Lightning port because the 3.5mm jack can't support it.

 

[adamhenry]

It'll be ok everyone, bend over and wait your turn.

No need for bending over here. I've been using BT for a while now.

 

[cynics]

No need for bending over. I'll continue to enjoy listening to my music on my iPhone 7 when its out. And higher quality music when they release their HD audio for iTunes and Apple Music that will be only be heard through the superior Lightning port because the 3.5mm jack can't support it.

I'm not sure what this means....you can listen to audio via the lightning port in the here and now, you don't need to wait for the iPhone 7.

We are talking about the exclusion of the headphone jack on the iPhone 7 btw.

Also don't expect to be massively blown away by the audio quality. I think lossless audio and lightning audio has been around long enough.
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No need for bending over here. I've been using BT for a while now.

Don't worry they will still remove the headphone jack at your expense whether you can hear it coming or not....

Which BT headphones would you recommend btw?

 

[lagwagon]

I'm not sure what this means....you can listen to audio via the lightning port in the here and now, you don't need to wait for the iPhone 7.

We are talking about the exclusion of the headphone jack on the iPhone 7 btw.

Also don't expect to be massively blown away by the audio quality. I think lossless audio and lightning audio has been around long enough.

It means jack or no jack I will continue to listen to and enjoy my music. The removal of a jack does not remove the ability to do so.

Exactly, the Lightning can do audio currently. So why have two plugs that perform the same function in a device where space is a premium?

It's practically been confirmed by the supply chain that it's going. So wether you like it or not is irrelevant, it's getting removed.

The iPhone 7 wouldn't even be the first phone to remove the jack either.

 

[adamhenry]

Don't worry they will still remove the headphone jack at your expense whether you can hear it coming or not....

Which BT headphones would you recommend btw?

What expense to me? I haven't used the HP jack in years. BT HPs would be a personal preference thing. I have Jaybird Bluebuds and MEE AirMatrix 2 that I like.

 

[GoBengals]

Get a life

 

[cynics]

It means jack or no jack I will continue to listen to and enjoy my music. The removal of a jack does not remove the ability to do so.

Exactly, the Lightning can do audio currently. So why have two plugs that perform the same function in a device where space is a premium?

It's practically been confirmed by the supply chain that it's going. So wether you like it or not is irrelevant, it's getting removed.

The iPhone 7 wouldn't even be the first phone to remove the jack either.

Hmm I never said whether I liked or disliked the removal of the 3.5mm jack. However I guess if asked I would say I dislike it because it only has positive benefits for Apple and negatively effects for the customer.

"Space" is probably the best counterpoint I've heard yet however Apple hasn't even utilized the space they have with the footprint the phone has now so thats moot. Someone else mentioned dust entering the phone, that is technically true.

At least you can kind of understand my point?


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What expense to me? I haven't used the HP jack in years. BT HPs would be a personal preference thing. I have Jaybird Bluebuds and MEE AirMatrix 2 that I like.

Any other features you don't use that you would like to pay for but not included?

 

[lagwagon]

Hmm I never said whether I liked or disliked the removal of the 3.5mm jack. However I guess if asked I would say I dislike it because it only has positive benefits for Apple and negatively effects for the customer.

"Space" is probably the best counterpoint I've heard yet however Apple hasn't even utilized the space they have with the footprint the phone has now so thats moot. Someone else mentioned dust entering the phone, that is technically true.

At least you can kind of understand my point?

Yeah I can see the point that it can be a nuisance to some by removing it. But it's the direction it's going and like any major change like this, the nuisance is only temporary for a transition period. It won't even be long until top Android phones remove it also.

Here is an article with the VP of Huawei.

http://m.androidcentral.com/editors-desk-world-without-headphone-jacks

He mentions that with Android phones moving to usb c it makes the 3.5mm redundant and the space could be used for something else. "It's not a ton of space, but it's significant" and that it's the largest peripheral on any phone.

So it sounds to me other phone manufacturers agree it's redundant in today's age to have two ports capable of audio and are have already thought about it and in the near future considering its removal as well. A company like Huawei though can't initiate that kind of change, pretty much no other phone manufacturer can except Apple. Seeing as Apple is only one manufacturer yet hold 44% of smartphone market vs the dozens of manufacturers to hold 51% for Android. Plus the backing of a popular headphone company because they own it.

 

[adamhenry]

Any other features you don't use that you would like to pay for but not included?

Yeah, I always have to pay for the HPs in the box even though I never use them just so those that want them can have them. They should just ditch them as well.

 

[cynics]

Yeah I can see the point that it can be a nuisance to some by removing it. But it's the direction it's going and like any major change like this, the nuisance is only temporary for a transition period. It won't even be long until top Android phones remove it also.

Here is an article with the VP of Huawei.

http://m.androidcentral.com/editors-desk-world-without-headphone-jacks

He mentions that with Android phones moving to usb c it makes the 3.5mm redundant and the space could be used for something else. "It's not a ton of space, but it's significant" and that it's the largest peripheral on any phone.

So it sounds to me other phone manufacturers agree it's redundant in today's age to have two ports capable of audio and are have already thought about it and in the near future considering its removal as well. A company like Huawei though can't initiate that kind of change, pretty much no other phone manufacturer can except Apple. Seeing as Apple is only one manufacturer yet hold 44% of smartphone market vs the dozens of manufacturers to hold 51% for Android. Plus the backing of a popular headphone company because they own it.

Meh, I know your right regardless of how much I bitch. This is just one of those things that gets under my skin.

Removing the DAC then forcing me to pay for it one way or another whether it be in lightning, bluetooth headphones or an inline adaptor for my current headphones. AND I'm sure I'll be paying for the licensing fee too from the 3rd party manufacturer, is that double or triple dipping?

Dealing with Lightning headphones is already out of the question right out of the gate. They won't plug into anything else except your iPhone/iPad. They don't have microphones. Require an adaptor if you need to charge the iPhone at the same time. They are incredibly expensive for the quality. Did I mention you can't plug them into anything else? Lol


Pulled that from tech insider.

Bluetooth has its cons too...lower quality audio at the same price point, batteries to charge and go dead, random disconnects, more expensive, etc. Of course it has a really nice pro of being wire free.

So that leave an inline DAC adaptor. Which you'll need to buy, carry around, lose, break, buy another one.

And as far as redundant, that was something the editor said because I'm sure device manufactures are aware how they made the 3.5mm jack multifunctional for other devices and tools. Like my credit card swiper here, yes mag strips are going way but not for quite a while.



I also have an AAB flow meter, and I'm sure there are other tools that utilize the 3.5mm jack.

I can't wait to see what comes with the new iPhone and how it works. I'd like to think I'm not giving Apple nearly the credit they deserve and they will actually pull a rabbit out of their hat with the iPhone 7.

 

[lagwagon]

And as far as redundant, that was something the editor said because I'm sure device manufactures are aware how they made the 3.5mm jack multifunctional for other devices and tools. Like my credit card swiper here, yes mag strips are going way but not for quite a while.

It wasn't something the editor of the article said. They were quotes that the VP of Huawei said.



"Huawei's Changzhu Lee, Vice President of smartphone product line, told me by e-mail. (Huawei's Nexus 6P is one of the first Android phones to move to USB-C.) "The 3.5mm headphone jack becomes redundant, unless users need to connect an external USB hard drive to the phone while listening to music via headphone.""

"Removing the jack and the associated board would create a little more room inside a phone," Lin said. "Not a ton, but it is significant." He added that we're still likely to see digital-to-analog converters on the phone and not left for headphone manufacturers to deal with. Huawei's Lee agreed and hit on another key word in removing redundant modules — flexibility.

"Removing the headphone jack would definitely provide more flexibility in the spatial distribution and thickness of the phone," Lee said, "as it is the thickest peripheral part of the phone.""


"Getting rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack is possible, but still just one piece of the puzzle.

Huawei, one of China's top smartphone manufacturers and in the top 5 or so worldwide, thinks getting rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack certainly is a possibility, especially now that manufacturers are moving to the USB-C standard."
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I can't wait to see what comes with the new iPhone and how it works. I'd like to think I'm not giving Apple nearly the credit they deserve and they will actually pull a rabbit out of their hat with the iPhone 7.

I don't currently use BT and would also have to use an adapter (until I buy something Lightning.) I can't wait to see what becomes of all this and what it can mean even further down the road, 2-3 generations ahead.

I'm sure Apple has been considering this for at least a year or two by now (this isn't the first time a no jack rumour popped up for a new iPhone, but it's the first time it's looking like it's actually happening) and I guarantee they have done a ton of study and research on the effects of removing it. They aren't stupid despite what all the haters think or say.

 

[cynics]

It wasn't something the editor of the article said. They were quotes that the VP of Huawei said.



"Huawei's Changzhu Lee, Vice President of smartphone product line, told me by e-mail. (Huawei's Nexus 6P is one of the first Android phones to move to USB-C.) "The 3.5mm headphone jack becomes redundant, unless users need to connect an external USB hard drive to the phone while listening to music via headphone.""

"Removing the jack and the associated board would create a little more room inside a phone," Lin said. "Not a ton, but it is significant." He added that we're still likely to see digital-to-analog converters on the phone and not left for headphone manufacturers to deal with. Huawei's Lee agreed and hit on another key word in removing redundant modules — flexibility.

"Removing the headphone jack would definitely provide more flexibility in the spatial distribution and thickness of the phone," Lee said, "as it is the thickest peripheral part of the phone.""


"Getting rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack is possible, but still just one piece of the puzzle.

Huawei, one of China's top smartphone manufacturers and in the top 5 or so worldwide, thinks getting rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack certainly is a possibility, especially now that manufacturers are moving to the USB-C standard."

Thats very poor wording on his behalf.

Since the devices I mentioned earlier (credit card swiper, Flow meter) have no USB compatibility they are completely reliant on a 3.5mm port. Its not like you can just plug them into a lightning to 3.5mm DAC adaptor and they will work...that is one way traffic going the wrong way. Maybe if Apple designed an ADC but I find that incredibly unlikely.

"Redundant" would indicate there would be a way to adapt these things to the new standard however it appears they will need to be redesigned by their respective manufacturers (and then repurchased by me).