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Serious question: What media do you watch at native 4K? How much of your viewing is done with upscaled HD? I'm asking because the the 4K panels from LG that I've seen had unimpressive interpolated images and the amount of native 4k content is tiny.
I watch Ultra HD Blu-Ray 4K for critical viewing. I will also stream Amazon and Netflix shows which are both very good (not great) quality. HDR is also very very important and makes a world of difference. The OLED can get much brighter than the projector though. When my friends and family walk by the LG OLED tv with a true 4K source they are taken aback at the quality. It is like looking through a window. Very very impressive.

The only 1080p programs I watch are live sports when they aren't available in DirecTV 4K.
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I ordered a 750p phone in 2016 because screw you.
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Exactly. It's a 4.7" screen not a 65" HDTV. Do people really need a 4K screen on their phones?
I'm not saying we need 4K on phones. What am I saying is that Apple has best in class silicon (literally generations better than any competitor), but they cheap out on a low resolution screen with huge bezels. The iPhone 7 after 3 generations should have a 1080p display at a minimum not 750p. If some people don't notice the difference that is fine, but I can assure you many people appreciate the difference of using a higher resolution screen.
 
It's really a testament to the brand of Apple and its power over the iPhone patrons that something as simple as the color of the device gets people excited and/or riled up. This doesn't even happen in the auto industry. When was the last time you heard someone oogling over the Silver Metallic BMW M3 or a Diamond White Pearl Honda Accord.

It's such a shame too that Android OEMs even go the extra step of offering customers not only different colors, but different materials (wood, leather, carbon fiber, etc) and customization options that allow you to make that phone completely your own (Moto Maker) and the general public doesn't even bat an eye.

I hope the Apple marketing team is getting paid big time as they seem to be pulling their weight.
 
It's really a testament to the brand of Apple and its power over the iPhone patrons that something as simple as the color of the device gets people excited and/or riled up. This doesn't even happen in the auto industry. When was the last time you heard someone oogling over the Silver Metallic BMW M3 or a Diamond White Pearl Honda Accord.

It's such a shame too that Android OEMs even go the extra step of offering customers not only different colors, but different materials (wood, leather, carbon fiber, etc) and customization options that allow you to make that phone completely your own (Moto Maker) and the general public doesn't even bat an eye.

I hope the Apple marketing team is getting paid big time as they seem to be pulling their weight.
I'm not gonna lie I get very excited over the sexy colors of the BMW X5M :)
 
What's the percentage of users that will do VR on the small-ish iPhone 7?

Would you exchange a slightly better VR image quality with lesser UI speed and battery life, things that 100% of users enjoy every single day? That's madness to me.
I use my cardboard headset from time to time with my 6S and I'm compelled to concur.
 
Wow. I didn't realize how much of a minority my color of choice (gold) was.

I thought the same thing. I'm going with the gold model this year and I figured that it would be a bit more popular. I'm really not surprised to see silver is the least popular color though.
 



Slice Intelligence has shared new data that suggests the iPhone 7 Plus has outsold the iPhone 7 in the United States, marking the first time Plus-sized iPhones have proven more popular than 4.7-inch models, based on e-receipt data from nearly 32,000 customers who belong to the research firm's panel.

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The data shows that, in the first 48 hours of availability, 55 percent of customers ordered the iPhone 7 Plus, compared to 41 percent for the iPhone 6s Plus and 35 percent for the iPhone 6 Plus. The 5.5-inch model is a more attractive option this year given it has dual cameras, while the 4.7-inch model retains a single-lens camera.

55.9 percent of customers who pre-ordered an iPhone 7 or iPhone 7 Plus had previously purchased at least one iPhone between 2014 and now, according to Slice Intelligence. 34 percent of customers had not purchased any smartphone since 2014, while the remaining shoppers switched from Samsung, LG, and Motorola.

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Meanwhile, given the lack of Space Gray this year, Black has emerged as the new most popular iPhone color, accounting for 46 percent of pre-orders. Jet Black is also a popular choice, selected by 23 percent of customers, although limited supply of Jet Black models has pushed shipments of Jet Black models to November, likely leading many customers to choose Black, Gold, Rose Gold, or Silver instead.

Rose Gold models, first introduced on the iPhone 6s, represented 15 percent of iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus pre-orders, while Gold and Silver models trailed behind with 9 percent and 8 percent of orders respectively.

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For the past three iPhone launches, over 60 percent of pre-orders over the first two days were on the middle storage option, according to Slice Intelligence. iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus continue that trend, with 128GB proving most popular at 67 percent, followed by 32GB at 14 percent and the all-new 256GB tier at 19 percent.

Slice Intelligence tracks e-receipts from 4.2 million online shoppers in the U.S., allegedly the largest panel of its kind, that sign up for the company's value-added services such as Slice and Unroll.me. Slice, for example, is a free app for tracking packages, receipts, price drops, product recall alerts, and more.

Slice Intelligence has charts with more detailed information on its website.

Article Link: iPhone 7 Plus, 128GB, and Black Models Prove Most Popular With Pre-Order Customers

Doesn't surprise me, the matte black one looks incredible and LONG overdue. The jet black isn't my cup of tea though, too plasticky looking. I think they would sell more of the lighter colored models if they color matched the front, instead of making them white.
 
I wonder if there is some kind of synergy between larger phones and smartwatches that facilitating some of this increase in phablet sales. Are people using there watches for notifications and quick replies and using their phones more as pocket computers and cameras? With my Apple watch, I don't need to carry my phone around the house or gym to get notifications and calls, so I don't mind owning a bigger phone. My phone does not need to be as accessible, and I can carry it in a small Nike sports pack (notice I didn't say man-bag or satchel ;)) and only take it out when I really need it, since routine notifications and replies can be handled by my watch.

I don't carry my laptop around much anymore either. I kind of go from the phablet (iPhone 6 S Plus) directly to the desktop when I have more substantial work to do. So, my "work flow" is like: watch>phablet>desktop. Of course, I am retired and primarily work on real estate investments, so YMMV. But, if I was still in a regular day job, I would let the employer buy my laptop, and I would probably have my current setup for personal use. The point is that the Phablet fits nicely into some peoples' use case, and the inconvenience of carrying around a large phone is reduced somewhat by a good smartwatch.
 
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I wonder if there is some kind of synergy between larger phones and smartwatches that facilitating some of this increase in phablet sales. Are people using there watches for notifications and quick replies and using their phones more as pocket computers and cameras? With my Apple watch, I don't need to carry my phone around the house or gym to get notifications and calls, so I don't mind owning a bigger phone. My phone does not need to be as accessible, and I can carry it in a small Nike sports pack (notice I didn't say man-bag or satchel ;)) and only take it out when I really need it, since routine notifications and replies can be handled by my watch.

I don't carry my laptop around much anymore either. I kind of go from the phablet (iPhone 6 S Plus) directly to the desktop when I have more substantial work to do. So, my "work flow" is like: watch>phablet>desktop. Of course, I am retired and primarily work on real estate investments, so YMMV. But, if I was still in a regular day job, I would let the employer buy my laptop, and I would probably have my current setup for personal use. The point is that the Phablet fits nicely into some peoples' use case, and the inconvenience of carrying around a large phone is reduced somewhat by a good smartwatch.

Well said.

But do we need to call them "phablets" anymore? Haven't they just become phones?

You can get a phone anywhere between 4" and 6"... I don't think the bigger ones need a sub-category.

When was the last time anyone said "big screen TV" ?

They're just called "TVs" now. The "big" part just happened over time. :)
 
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I watch Ultra HD Blu-Ray 4K for critical viewing. I will also stream Amazon and Netflix shows which are both very good (not great) quality. HDR is also very very important and makes a world of difference. The OLED can get much brighter than the projector though. When my friends and family walk by the LG OLED tv with a true 4K source they are taken aback at the quality. It is like looking through a window. Very very impressive.

The only 1080p programs I watch are live sports when they aren't available in DirecTV 4K.
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I'm not saying we need 4K on phones. What am I saying is that Apple has best in class silicon (literally generations better than any competitor), but they cheap out on a low resolution screen with huge bezels. The iPhone 7 after 3 generations should have a 1080p display at a minimum not 750p. If some people don't notice the difference that is fine, but I can assure you many people appreciate the difference of using a higher resolution screen.

Right.. Cheap out... There is no reasons for the lower rez, not at all. No bias there hmmm.
 
People are sick of WHITE! Not may people want a bright white bezel glaring them in the face all day. Put, black and dark/bronze gold together and watch that color sell like hot cakes.
 
It can be done. But only a minority of users would benefit from a larger battery, while all users would be stuck with a heavier and larger phone in their pocket.
While I wouldn't mind Apple making a large battery version, I think the battery case is great. And since most users use a case anyway, if you have battery issues you should buy the Apple battery case. While the majority of us can get by fine with the current battery and a lightweight case. And with the seven having even more battery life, the percentage of users who will be more than satisfied will increase.

Apple much rather not increase the iPhone and instead charge you more for a case with a battery in it. Brilliant marketing.

If this is the case reduce the cost of the iPhone by the difference Apple charges for the battery case. At this point you are paying extra for a feature that can already be included with minimal cost.

If people were complaining about the weight of the iPhone then why would Apple release a case with battery option.

Seems Apple wants to strip the iPhone into accessories and profit more and people are buying into this nonesense.
 
Millions of people are buying iPhones and are happy with them and rather than think "huh, those people must have a different set of priorities than I do", you think there's one right answer for everyone, all these people got it wrong, and that it's a mass delusion brought about by a commercial?

It's marketing, not hypnosis...

Either Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field is wearing off or Tim Cooks' RFD is not strong enough.

I have alway mentioned Apple is a marketing company first, then a technology company next. There are uses who prefer iOS and others Android OS, similar with MacOS, Windows OS, Linux distro, etc.

Apple selects its feature hardware package as do others, great it's their product do what you want with it. Apple introduces a hardware or software feature with their twist to it, great it's their idea of how it should function. No argument there.

What I don't understand is Apple releases a hardware and/or a software function and claim that it's a first or how it will improve your life. Sorry to say other companies have been doing this for awhile, Apple is just late to the party. Is Apple doing it better, that is a matter of opinion and preference.

People buy iPhones ei
I had the LG G4 which has a much sharper display than either of the new phones. Still, though, the calibration isn't nearly as good and more pixels murder your battery.

With normal usage, I didn't notice any improvement with sharpness.

LG, Samsung, etc are not only component and part manufacturers, they also create complete packages and are in active in other area of electronics. Apple writes the software does some hardware tweaks along with designing processors packages it together and sells mainly consumer based products.

Apple does not license or sells Ax processors to other manufacturers, MFi helps them gain market acceptance to sell the idevices.

Apple should focus to make the best iDevice it can, its efforts are not widespread. R&D is part of all major companies.

Apple is selling you less for more and people are buying it, sad really. Prime example look at the outdated computer line.
 
Apple much rather not increase the iPhone and instead charge you more for a case with a battery in it. Brilliant marketing.

If this is the case reduce the cost of the iPhone by the difference Apple charges for the battery case. At this point you are paying extra for a feature that can already be included with minimal cost.

If people were complaining about the weight of the iPhone then why would Apple release a case with battery option.

Seems Apple wants to strip the iPhone into accessories and profit more and people are buying into this nonesense.

The battery case is a choice. Maybe 10% of all people run around with a battery case on their phone. But if you put a big heavy battery in every phone, no one gets a choice. Everyone gets stuck with the bigger phone and the unnecessarily large battery. I will finish most days with at least 35% battery on my phone. I don't need any more battery. And since I have a charger at home and at work, I can, if I want, spend 30 minutes at some point during the day and top off if I feel like it. I did that at work today, and my phone is at 75%. And I've used it a decent amount today. For me, a thinner, lighter phone is better than finishing the day with 45% battery that I didn't use.

Also the 7 is more efficient. So even less people will feel the need to get a battery case on the 7.

Ideally though, and this will never happen, Apple would make a thicker and heavier version of the iPhone for folks who know they want a bigger battery. That would be cheaper and more efficient than adding a battery case.
 
Either Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field is wearing off or Tim Cooks' RFD is not strong enough.

I have alway mentioned Apple is a marketing company first, then a technology company next. There are uses who prefer iOS and others Android OS, similar with MacOS, Windows OS, Linux distro, etc.

Apple selects its feature hardware package as do others, great it's their product do what you want with it. Apple introduces a hardware or software feature with their twist to it, great it's their idea of how it should function. No argument there.

What I don't understand is Apple releases a hardware and/or a software function and claim that it's a first or how it will improve your life. Sorry to say other companies have been doing this for awhile, Apple is just late to the party. Is Apple doing it better, that is a matter of opinion and preference.

People buy iPhones ei


LG, Samsung, etc are not only component and part manufacturers, they also create complete packages and are in active in other area of electronics. Apple writes the software does some hardware tweaks along with designing processors packages it together and sells mainly consumer based products.

Apple does not license or sells Ax processors to other manufacturers, MFi helps them gain market acceptance to sell the idevices.

Apple should focus to make the best iDevice it can, its efforts are not widespread. R&D is part of all major companies.

Apple is selling you less for more and people are buying it, sad really. Prime example look at the outdated computer line.
Apple is not putting needless pixels on their devices for various reasons, the main being improved battery life.

They're able to get away with much smaller batteries than other companies, due to their overall design of the iPhone. A big piece to that puzzle is the display.

They also spend less for each battery and it opens of space inside the device. Apple has always done this, it's not anything new. They used to do this heavily with RAM. OSX ran very well with a smaller amount of RAM than their Windows counterparts. They're all about creating the best experience at a price that makes sense for them. It's a winning combination and has yielded amazing overall customer satisfaction regardless of technical specifications.

The Mac lineup has more to do with focus and less to do with components. Mobile is where it's at right now and that's where Apple is focusing their efforts.
 
Apple is not putting needless pixels on their devices for various reasons, the main being improved battery life.

They're able to get away with much smaller batteries than other companies, due to their overall design of the iPhone. A big piece to that puzzle is the display.

They also spend less for each battery and it opens of space inside the device. Apple has always done this, it's not anything new. They used to do this heavily with RAM. OSX ran very well with a smaller amount of RAM than their Windows counterparts. They're all about creating the best experience at a price that makes sense for them. It's a winning combination and has yielded amazing overall customer satisfaction regardless of technical specifications.

The Mac lineup has more to do with focus and less to do with components. Mobile is where it's at right now and that's where Apple is focusing their efforts.

Got to hand it to that Apple marketing, a lot of people are believing they are getting the best experience by paying the premium price.

Let's not forget Apple only including 1Gig or less of ram on its iDevices for a long, long time. Let's not forget Apple selling only 16GB as the base storage on device able to capture 4K stills and video. I could continue and include the Mac lineup in there too.

Yes, 16GB of base storage and 1Gig of ram equates to a premium device and experience. Don't fool yourself, you are better than this.
 
Got to hand it to that Apple marketing, a lot of people are believing they are getting the best experience by paying the premium price.

Let's not forget Apple only including 1Gig or less of ram on its iDevices for a long, long time. Let's not forget Apple selling only 16GB as the base storage on device able to capture 4K stills and video. I could continue and include the Mac lineup in there too.

Yes, 16GB of base storage and 1Gig of ram equates to a premium device and experience. Don't fool yourself, you are better than this.
The 16GB is a money grab to buy a more expensive device. Resolutions, what we're really discussing here, shouldn't be lumped into that category.

1GB ran iOS without issue for a very long time. I found it to be more smooth than Android devices with 2GB. If anything, that example puts more backing to what I'm saying.

The Mac lineup is simply out-of-date. My brother-in-law has the latest MacBook Pro and while the specs aren't the latest, it still runs flawlessly.

The bottom line is Apple is more than specs, they focus on experience and product design. If you want the best specs, choose another company. It's not how they do things.
 
The 16GB is a money grab to buy a more expensive device. Resolutions, what we're really discussing here, shouldn't be lumped into that category.

1GB ran iOS without issue for a very long time. I found it to be more smooth than Android devices with 2GB. If anything, that example puts more backing to what I'm saying.

The Mac lineup is simply out-of-date. My brother-in-law has the latest MacBook Pro and while the specs aren't the latest, it still runs flawlessly.

The bottom line is Apple is more than specs, they focus on experience and product design. If you want the best specs, choose another company. It's not how they do things.
For a company that markets user experience, their offer the bare minimum to keep the user experience barely above water at a premium price. There is a word for it and it is not user experience. I neither like or dislike Apple or any other company, I just cannot see the end user being taken advantage and people support and/or promote this behaviour. A company can be profitable and keep pace with the industry standard, the marketing spin doctors have you eating of of their hands, lol.
 
For a company that markets user experience, their offer the bare minimum to keep the user experience barely above water at a premium price. There is a word for it and it is not user experience. I neither like or dislike Apple or any other company, I just cannot see the end user being taken advantage and people support and/or promote this behaviour. A company can be profitable and keep pace with the industry standard, the marketing spin doctors have you eating of of their hands, lol.
I have a Windows PC that I love, a Windows Laptop that I despise, an iPad, and an iPhone. I build my own computers and could care less about Apple's marketing. I buy what I like and that's what works for me.

If specs make you happy and you feel it justifies your purchase, so be it. I don't.
 
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Shocked to see silver so low. Also funny to see how colors like gold and rose gold sell out when introduced but subsequent years are widely available.
I love the silver, but hate the white bezel. If they did silver with a black bezel, I'd be all over that.
 
Apple much rather not increase the iPhone and instead charge you more for a case with a battery in it. Brilliant marketing.

If this is the case reduce the cost of the iPhone by the difference Apple charges for the battery case. At this point you are paying extra for a feature that can already be included with minimal cost.

If people were complaining about the weight of the iPhone then why would Apple release a case with battery option.

Seems Apple wants to strip the iPhone into accessories and profit more and people are buying into this nonesense.
I would pay less for a larger, heavier phone with longer battery life than I would pay for a lighter phone with enough to get me through a day. If Apple has determined that selling these pieces separately in this way is more profitable, then I'm not alone-- the market as a whole values the separate case more than they would an integrated package and thus are willing to pay more for the separate pieces than they would for the combination.

You don't seem quite clear on what profits mean or how they function in a competitive market. You seem to think this is a zero sum game, so if Apple is making a profit it's because someone else got duped-- it doesn't work that way. Profits indicate the value people put on Apple's contribution to the product.

There are other choices in the market, the fact that Apple is profitable means they're doing it right.
Apple is selling you less for more and people are buying it, sad really. Prime example look at the outdated computer line.
There's nothing sad about this at all-- you need to stop judging people for having different priorities.

No, they're selling me what I want, and it's worth every penny. I used to be a spec junky on computers, and update relentlessly to be at the top of the technology curve. Somewhere in the mid 2000's, the hardware reached the point where the 10% a year that Intel was giving us wasn't having a noticeable impact on my day to day.

My work provided laptop is 3 years old and I'm in no hurry to change it out. My personal desktop is 8 years old and still going strong and doing everything I need it to. I have 3 Mini's of different vintages providing various server functions and they're underutilized.

What I value most now is a machine with a good build quality that lasts. I don't feel a need to buy on launch day, and I don't much care if the internals are a year out of date. It just doesn't make a difference to my day to day.

If someone is willing to buy something that you aren't, that doesn't make them sad, stupid or deluded.
Either Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field is wearing off or Tim Cooks' RFD is not strong enough.

I have alway mentioned Apple is a marketing company first, then a technology company next. There are uses who prefer iOS and others Android OS, similar with MacOS, Windows OS, Linux distro, etc.

Apple selects its feature hardware package as do others, great it's their product do what you want with it. Apple introduces a hardware or software feature with their twist to it, great it's their idea of how it should function. No argument there.

What I don't understand is Apple releases a hardware and/or a software function and claim that it's a first or how it will improve your life. Sorry to say other companies have been doing this for awhile, Apple is just late to the party. Is Apple doing it better, that is a matter of opinion and preference.
This has been a long and convoluted discussion that started with "every change involves a tradeoff", passed through "Apple could get rid of the camera bump but doesn't care", on to "Apple dupes their customers with fancy marketing", and now seems to be settling on "I hate when Apple claims to be first". I'm coming to the conclusion that you're not looking for a discussion, you're looking to muddy Apple and feel superior that you alone are immune to the hypnotism of Phil Schiller.

Apple is an integrated solution company. Every company has a marketing department. If you've ever dealt with patents, you'll know that "first" is a really nebulous term and rarely worth arguing about. Apple is rarely first at things in the most general sense, but they aspire to be first to do things right for the broadest swath of customers.

Look at the lag time between some of their technology acquisitions and the release of products based on those technologies-- it's not that they don't have the tech, it's that they don't think it's ready for the mass market. You might be happier bragging to your friends that your gadget achieved some spec before their gadget did-- that's not what I'm after.

If you're really concerned about having the most pixels, thickest battery, fastest clock rate, super saturated colors, and flattest camera then I'm glad there's other choices for you out there. You don't sound like the kind of customer that Apple targets.
 
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