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There are always those people who are furious Apple offers options that aren't designed for them.

Try running a business - you're in business to serve customer needs. Not to connive or deceive people into doing things the business' way because it's better for the business to wrongly fleece the customers. That's surely not the American way, not the moral way, not the ethical way, not the evolved way... and then people wonder why the world is going to hell... (duh?!!)

And maybe some people are still pissed that the CEO screamed "You're holding it wrong" then found out said CEO knew about the defect as told to him by an engineer and promptly ignored the issue to let the defect go to market, so he could then get off on blaming the customers. Now most people running businesses acting like THAT wouldn't last much longer. Yet that was the CEO that gets praised that everyone should be like. No wonder America is in the toilet, people using and abusing and fleecing one another is not the sort of "American value" most of us were brought up on, or the sort of issue that most Ethics classes taught in school or college would condone... yes, the iphone 4 is five years old. It's not the only time Apple got caught with its pants down. Cook's done some good, but he still has a lot of work to do. Since the same philosophy of smaller and thinner is still in play, anyone doing CPU or GPU intensive work will suffer as a result with reduced product lifespan and that's being environmentally wasteful. (and it's a shame the one technical review site I use no longer does processor core benchmarks, only "skin temps" (surface temperature) nowadays that are a waste of time... time to find another review site if they're going to not do a proper benchmark so potential customers can have a properly educated and informed decision to make...)
 
256GB? I'm so in... I have a 6S Plus now. I had a 6 before. I think my current dream phone is actually something the size of the 6, but 256GB and battery life like the 6S Plus, which has been a nice bump over my 6.
 
16gb will be around for a couple more years for corporate buyers.

Wireless charging is still woefully inefficient so won't happen soon.

It'll have to do something pretty extraordinary for me to upgrade from my 6S Plus, we're firmly in diminishing return territory now. Couldn't resist the large screen of the 6 Plus so did my first yearly upgrade from a 5S. I usually stick to the S cycle, unlikely I'll make the same mistake again and get the non-S. This is despite buying the phone outright non-contract, dead easy for me to upgrade. I just think year on year there's little to get excited about (that goes for all phones, not a slam of Apple). As each year passes this becomes ever more true imo, hence the upgrade program Apple now offers.

Ahm, wireless charging has become really fast. Note 5 takes roughly 1.5 hours from zero to full with wireless charging. That's faster than an iPhone 6s with a much smaller battery.
 
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Focus on all the other factors.

How thin do they want phones to be? Thin as a credit card?


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HTC and Samsung to throw Apple farewell party to coincide with their holiday 2027 party :D:p:rolleyes:

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As much as I love Apple, it seems like they're getting more and more out of touch with what I'd like to see in an iPhone. My ideal iPhone 7 would be:
  • Same screen sizes with an added 4" iPhone mini/"c" model
  • Same thickness, using smaller internals to make way for more battery
  • Leave the headphone jack alone
  • 32/64/128 storage options (or better yet but less likely 64/128/256)
  • 4 GB RAM
  • And most importantly, no feature differences between models – optical image stabilization available on all iPhones
C'mon, Tim: make it happen!

Agreed! Those of us that want this can all dream;)
 
Not a great analogy since the customer will just buy more packs of 16 oranges. Try buying more memory for your iPhone... There's no way round it.
4x16 is 64 :)
Everyone should get a free 64GB upgrade just to cover the mysterious memory usage that happens on the iPhone. My 64GB iPhone 6 has about 35GB in use if you add up all the app usages, but says it's almost out of memory. It seems to eat up memory with "hidden" items.

Try connecting it to iTunes and sync, most likely crash logs, those only get cleared using iTunes.

http://osxdaily.com/2011/10/18/itunes-other-capacity-taking-up-tons-of-space-fix/

"After unchecking and then checking “Open iTunes when this iPad is connected”, I went from 37.7GB of “Other” space down to 1.79GB. Neat."
 
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And in more news the iPhone 7 Plus will make the tea and walk your dog for you.

Apple aren't usually radical with storage. I think they could add more RAM to the 7 plus (compared to the 7), say 3GB instead of 2, but only if it makes sense to do so (eg they up the screen resolution so that rendering at 3x assets saves having to downsample).

I believe the iPad Pro is the device in need of 256gb or bigger storage!
 
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16GB iPhone 6 = $649
64GB iPhone 6 = $749

16GB model outsells the 64GB 5:1

2016...

16GB model = $649
64GB model = $749
128GB model = $849
256GB model = $949 or high estimate $1049

Which one do you think will sell the most? 16GB! Because people see $100 cheaper > any memory size more.

Apple will never ditch 16GB. It's like their Honda civic model of iPhone.
You speak the truth.
 
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Last March the price for a 256GB flash drive was $70; today it is available for $60. It makes NO sense to have non-removable storage. It makes even less sense to charge $100 more for each higher storage level.

Profit! Capitalism! Greed!
Nuff said


I wish they would make base 32 or even 64 gb, but they won't, since a large portion of their buyers are people who only, and I mean ONLY use their phone for social media, it's sad, using such a powerful and useful device for selfies, but to each his own...

Which is ashame. If those people weren't so busy taking selfie's and using social media they could stop and think just how many more Selfies they could take with 32GB 64GB or 128GB :p:rolleyes:
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Ahm, wireless charging has become really fast. Note 5 takes roughly 1.5 hours from zero to full with wireless charging. That's faster than an iPhone 6s with a much smaller battery.

How efficient is it though? Is 30%+ power still lost due to the inductive process? I can imagine Apple citing this as a reason not to implement it. Which may, or may not, be an excuse dependent on one's opinion of Apple...
 
How about finally ditching the embarrassing default 16GB of memory?

There's nothing nothing embarrassing about it.

Apple knows they will collect an extra $100 from people like you that aren't satisfied with 16G.

The 16G model is like the base car model with no options. The features that most want is in the more expensive model with the higher profit margin.
 
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I probably won't buy another iPhone until I really need to. My 6s will be with me for a long time.
 
Why do you think 'everyone needs' more storage ?
Correctly im having 8GB free out of 16GB... no matter what will be the base storage model in the future, i will get it coz i dont need more. i just hope they wont push up the prices in the process.

I forget that sarcasm isn't obvious with just text.
 
I'm sorry to say it, but Tim Cook is not going to give two if some users are disgruntled.

I will lay down my humble opinion, it will not change sales other than in the Niche market that is 'power users'. The rMB is an example of this, my own one is a secondary machine and yes it cam prove annoying to have no USB-A ports. But at the end of the day, it does not break the bank to buy an adapter and I don't feel like I am being personally victimised by Apple to carry an adapter with me when I need it.

It will sell, it WILL break records. iPhones grow more popular every time they change the design as most consumers do not care what is inside it as long as it works. It is all about fashion, looks or whatever you want to call it. Although I agree it is a pain in the arse, and am completely on your side about what way I would personally like Apple to go, but if it does not happen their sales won't tank. Besides, I use Wireless Headphones most of the time anyway so it won't exactly kill me to cut the cord! Perhaps an Apple Pencil-esque approach to charging could solve the battery gripe?

The iPod thing was huge, but this would not have such an impact IMHO. Yet Still, we need only look to the iPad Air 2 to see a 6.1mm device can carry a headphone jack.


How about the iPod Touch?. What is that, 5.1 mm?.
 
By the time they do 32GB will be a joke.



Really is, just because they can does not make it a good idea. Phone are already awkward to hold without a case so thinner really does not add anything. Focus on all the other factors.

How thin do they want phones to be? Thin as a credit card?
Sorry but the 6s is just a few months old and it already feels like a brick: thick and heavy. Especially when compared to the 6.

If design matters, the iPhone should be *a lot* thinner and lighter.

Can you imagine a 6 Plus with the thickness of the 2007 model? Would be a joke.
 
Could someone please let me know if they have a 128GB that is not enough? I don't see why you would need 256GB in a phone.

Otherwise, I think Apple should bring the 32GB iPhone (not as standard though).

This is not me ranting/hating, but I'm just wondering, and do find it weird having 256GB?
Simple reasons:
1- pictures and video recording
2- have all my music library
3- be a real mobile device that doesn't need to be transferring dat to the cloud every few hours a day
4- have offline movies and tv shows available
5- be able to do all above and have decent apps and games
 
Try running a business - you're in business to serve customer needs. Not to connive or deceive people into doing things the business' way because it's better for the business to wrongly fleece the customers. That's surely not the American way, not the moral way, not the ethical way, not the evolved way... and then people wonder why the world is going to hell... (duh?!!)

And maybe some people are still pissed that the CEO screamed "You're holding it wrong" then found out said CEO knew about the defect as told to him by an engineer and promptly ignored the issue to let the defect go to market, so he could then get off on blaming the customers. Now most people running businesses acting like THAT wouldn't last much longer. Yet that was the CEO that gets praised that everyone should be like. No wonder America is in the toilet, people using and abusing and fleecing one another is not the sort of "American value" most of us were brought up on, or the sort of issue that most Ethics classes taught in school or college would condone... yes, the iphone 4 is five years old. It's not the only time Apple got caught with its pants down. Cook's done some good, but he still has a lot of work to do. Since the same philosophy of smaller and thinner is still in play, anyone doing CPU or GPU intensive work will suffer as a result with reduced product lifespan and that's being environmentally wasteful. (and it's a shame the one technical review site I use no longer does processor core benchmarks, only "skin temps" (surface temperature) nowadays that are a waste of time... time to find another review site if they're going to not do a proper benchmark so potential customers can have a properly educated and informed decision to make...)

That's a passionate post.

Serving customers is important I agree but you've got to put making profit first unless your business is specifically a not for profit organisation.

I would argue it is morally right to put profit first as long as it's not too far behind customer service, the challenges a business faces pricing to close to profit is immense for example:
  • A simple increase in component prices could cripple you and force layoff's or closure.
  • A new rival who may be in the long term game with good back could try to undercut you until you go bust and then up their prices you need to be able to both hold out and compete whilst you re-organise.
  • If there is a recession using said profits to weather the storm can be crucial.
  • Re-investment to allow you to not only stay ahead but offer your customers even better products.
  • Pay increases for staff.
  • better working conditions etc.
I am not a large Steve jobs fan (I'm more a Bill Gates) but every person walking the earth has some fault yes he was an ******, ruthless, rude, arrogant and whatever else but he was also a fantastic visionary, problem solver, innovator, sales man, leader and business man who responded to customers emails!.
As much as it kills me to say this at least you got the full of Steve's personality and not the usual PR spin of the 'perfect human'.

Your other point on product life cycles you answer well by showing the lengths you go to research a product the problem is most consumers don't and I pin that on them, companies respond to pressure from consumers but if the average consumers is only concerned and wants the 'new shiny' it's not Apple fault.

I can't comment on whether America is in the can but I can say the problem with the whole morals & ethics argument is there not all humans can agree on what is morally & ethically wrong or right as each holds their own view.
 
Simple reasons:
1- pictures and video recording
2- have all my music library
3- be a real mobile device that doesn't need to be transferring dat to the cloud every few hours a day
4- have offline movies and tv shows available
5- be able to do all above and have decent apps and games

Exactly why I just bought my 6S plus 128 gb. Coming from 16GB 6, the display space and disk size are liberating :)
 
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