Think of it this way, apple launches the Lightning port, ships a 30pin cable , with an adapter.....or do you just package the Lightning port cable as they did
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iPhone 7 Rumored to Ship With Standard 3.5mm EarPods and Lightning Adapter
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Think of it this way, apple launches the Lightning port, ships a 30pin cable , with an adapter.....or do you just package the Lightning port cable as they did
Well is not a bad idea at all, I often use my earbuds with my mac so with this solution I can continue doing it.
For all the people opining that this doesn't make sense...actually it makes perfect sense. Apple probably needs to get rid of tons of headphones. Secondly they need a way of getting adapters into peoples hands and look effortless doing it. There are plenty of people with expensive headphones that will need an adapter and be furious at the thought of having to buy one if a lightning headphone cord was included they'd be less angry. Third, they introduce wireless and/or improved lightning adapter headphones later to drive sales a few months after the phone is introduced.
Makes more sense to me to do it that way than include the lightning headphones when the phone is introduced.
Makes more sense to me to do it that way than include the lightning headphones when the phone is introduced.
...except they've still removed a major weak spot from the design, replacing a half-inch crowbar sticking into the guts of the phone with a much smaller lightning connector designed from scratch to support the weight of the phone by spreading the force over a relatively large area of metal.
Now when your 3.5" jack goes all crackly you just buy a new adapter instead of sending your phone in for repair.
One question is whether the adapter actually is a D-to-A converter, of if they're simply using Lightning's "smart" feature to output analog audio when it detects an analog device - which would be the smart thing to do if you wanted to offer a cheap Lightning-to-3.5" adapter. The phone already has D-to-A to drive its speakers. In that case, the adapter could be really small.
I do not want a lightning jack to be my headphone or earphone port. Furthermore, i have too many devices with 3.5 mm headphone jacks. Does apple want us to disenfranchise our other devices and please dont take the 3.5 mm headphone jack away from the future ipads either? Also, a separate adapter is just too much inconvenience and dangling when the 3.5 mm jack is the all-in-one solution...
Please give us Bluetooth earbudsI'd make more sense to ship bluetooth EarPods.
I understand they have tons of old EarPods in stocks, but they'll continue to sell iPhone SE and 6s for a while so they could place their old EarPods with those products.
Apple likes to sell expensive adapters, they make tons of money that way
Yep they are just giving you all that stuff for free. I can't think of any other manufacture that gives "Free" upgrades to their software. Also I don't really consider Pages, Keynote, and Numbers to be usable.
This is not going to happen, this would be like changing to the Lightning port but still shipping with the 30-pin cable with an adapter.
The difference was the 30-pin connector was exclusive to Apple 3.5mm is a standard everywhere else so it would make some sense to maintain compatibility.
Yes, and you wouldn't last at any other position at Apple.
With your logic, no company would ever spend it's funds to push the industry forward, we would be stuck with the same exact products and features year after year. Great logic right there.
[doublepost=1466514345][/doublepost]Well, what if I want to charge my phone and listen to my headphones at the same time? This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me....And with that, circling the wagons is now complete. At this point, whether the phone ships with 3.5mm headphones or Lightning headphones, we'll be sure to hear how reliable these sources are because they got it right.
[doublepost=1466514345][/doublepost]Well, what if I want to charge my phone and listen to my headphones at the same time? This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me....
You can't - but Apple thinks you will pay a thousand dollars for that inconvenience anyway.
It certainly does not seem like something Apple would do, to keep the headphones with a 3.5mm jack and include an adapter. For the new iPhone they should just include Lightning headphones and an adapter, for those that want to use their own legacy headphones.
They'll keep selling the SE and 6s iPhones so those could use up any excess inventory of old headphones, although I doubt in Apple's case they would be overstocked in anything.
This likely shift away from the old 3.5mm headphone jack headphones, although it will cause some people huge amounts of angst, it will create a whole new set of products for people to lust after and then when the shift away from Lightning happens and headphones (and charging) go wireless, we will hear the same complaints all over again.
That's how it works, whenever significant change happens. Just think how the entire market reacted when Apple introduced the iPhone. No physical keyboard, a glass screen, desktop class web browsing. Huge numbers of people actively panned Apple and the iPhone. Yet here we are today and no one thinks twice about smart phones and the huge shift that happened.
They'll keep selling the SE and 6s iPhones so those could use up any excess inventory of old headphones, although I doubt in Apple's case they would be overstocked in anything.
This likely shift away from the old 3.5mm headphone jack headphones, although it will cause some people huge amounts of angst, it will create a whole new set of products for people to lust after and then when the shift away from Lightning happens and headphones (and charging) go wireless, we will hear the same complaints all over again.
That's how it works, whenever significant change happens. Just think how the entire market reacted when Apple introduced the iPhone. No physical keyboard, a glass screen, desktop class web browsing. Huge numbers of people actively panned Apple and the iPhone. Yet here we are today and no one thinks twice about smart phones and the huge shift that happened.
That is a very un-Apple move.
Is there any leadership at Apple?
It seems like one faction (Ive?) is intent on getting rid of the industry standard jack.
Another faction is insisting that pain on behalf of the consumers needs a band aid.
It is very strange to me that they would not just ship lightning headphones instead. A kind of proof of concept "see guys it works!". Shipping an adapter and Apples cheapo earbuds is nice for people that want to use their Beats or Skullcandy or whatevs, but it also seems very kludgy.
Either way I think it's the mother of stupid Apple moves.
"no innovation my ass"
ps. I will not buy an iPhone with no earphone jack.
Is there any leadership at Apple?
It seems like one faction (Ive?) is intent on getting rid of the industry standard jack.
Another faction is insisting that pain on behalf of the consumers needs a band aid.
It is very strange to me that they would not just ship lightning headphones instead. A kind of proof of concept "see guys it works!". Shipping an adapter and Apples cheapo earbuds is nice for people that want to use their Beats or Skullcandy or whatevs, but it also seems very kludgy.
Either way I think it's the mother of stupid Apple moves.
"no innovation my ass"
ps. I will not buy an iPhone with no earphone jack.
You really think Apple will make their own customers use an adapter in order to listen to their new Lightning headphones with their new MacBook? They'll add a Lightning port mid-cycle the way they did to the iPad 3. And there are a number of other benefits to adding Lightning, besides essential compatibility with Apple's other products.
Do you really think Apple is going to inconvenience customers making them use an adapter that does nothing more than change the shape of the connector? You don't remember the original iPhone headphone jack controversy do you? Besides size is the least of it, take a look at the Audeze Lightning headphones I posted on the previous page.apple will have to sell the removal of the jack, and they won't do it by offering a different analogue connector in place of one nobody has particularly been having trouble with to date.
The difference is all mobile phone makers will likely be dropping the 3.5mm Jack too. So compatibility with 3.5mm just became meaningless on mobile devices, which is arguably the largest user base of 3.5mm adapter.
[doublepost=1466514345][/doublepost]Well, what if I want to charge my phone and listen to my headphones at the same time? This doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me....
Really!? You really think this thought occurred only to you and not once to Apple? And now that you and millions of others have been pushing this ridiculous meme around the internet, Apple still has done nothing about it? There are so many rumored and existing practical solutions to this problem, I'm sure if you apply yourself, you'll figure it out.
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Source for this "fact"? What is it with you people spreading FUD?
I don't understand. Your current earbuds work with your Mac. Any changes won't affect that...at all. Your Mac suddenly won't lose a 3.5mm port.
I plug mine in once every other week while I use the restroom.
It's such a non-issue that anyone who complains is just grasping.
At least they'll include the adapter, instead of forcing you to pay some ridiculous price for it separately. They probably realized that building an ADC into the crappy white earbuds will cost as much as just including an adapter, so they might as well go with a free adapter, despite how much they love charging extra for those.
Since the vast majority of headphones use 3.5mm jacks, and it will probably remain this way for a very long time, you're likely going to have to use that adapter all the time. It better be small and rugged.
As for the earbuds you get with Apple products, who cares? They suck in every respect, I don't think that adding an adapter to them will be your biggest issue. You'll probably have to use that adapter on whatever else headphones you want to use anyway.
Let's just hope it won't look like this:
Since the vast majority of headphones use 3.5mm jacks, and it will probably remain this way for a very long time, you're likely going to have to use that adapter all the time. It better be small and rugged.
As for the earbuds you get with Apple products, who cares? They suck in every respect, I don't think that adding an adapter to them will be your biggest issue. You'll probably have to use that adapter on whatever else headphones you want to use anyway.
Let's just hope it won't look like this:
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I just wonder how am going to listen to music through my headphones while charging my phone. I do that every night at bedtime.