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Yes, larger ain't better, too wide, too tall. At one point in time we were getting smaller and smaller phones, then we started going larger with iPhone introduction. 4s is as large as I want. So yes, to answer your question, completely adverse.
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Nah, 4s was a good upgrade. 4 was specular. 5s speed increase was impressive.

6S user here, much prefer the size of the 5S. If they could fit a 4.5+" screen in a 5S sized phone I'd be first in line!
 
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I understand where you come from, but I have to disagree.
3G was HUGE. Sure, adding 3G connectivity is boring, but it was a huge step in real world usability.
3GS and 4S were pretty much spec bumps, but remember - we are talking different times here. A spec bump actually affected daily performance very noticeably.

I'm not that happy with 6S either. Feels for me like 6S is what 6 should've been in the first place. Ironed out some manufacturing and design flaws, added the long overdue 2 GB RAM.

Yeah I kinda cheated with the 3g, 3gs comparisons lol. I'm still surprised though that 4s did so well with limited language support while being labeled as beta.
 
I really just couldn't care less about the camera and video capability. Please get rid of the bump. Honestly, the camera was good enough for me in the 5S.

You'll need to convince Apple to not only give up on "thinner"- which is apparently the all-important, #1 feature to build into each new iPhone- but actually get them to adopt "thicker" to take the thickness back to the thickness of camera modules. Good luck with that.

My guess, eventually Apple is going to tire of the protrusion and eject the camera out to an accessory add-on. As crazy as that sounds, I think "thinner" will continue to dominate, which means the camera bump will only grow. However, test the market's acceptance of ejecting the headphone jack and, if that goes well, kicking out another common, popular, internal component to an accessory add-on shouldn't seem THAT crazy. Reword many of the very same arguments supporting the headphone jack ejection and they fit the idea of a camera ejection just as well.

Personally, I'd prefer "thicker"- back to iPhone 5 thickness. That would make the camera flush and give plenty of space for "more battery" and a headphone jack. Nobody complained the iPhone 5 was "too thick" and if Apple filled such space with "more battery," I doubt many would complain about "thicker" to iPhone 5 level of thick.

As is, the "put it in a case anyway" crowd's suggestion can make the protruding camera flush (with the case thickness) which, generally, makes the "thinner" phone about the thickness of the "5" anyway. So instead of an accessory case and an accessory headphone adapter and the potential for an accessory camera and maybe an accessory battery, why not just build it all in, just like it was with the "5" and let customers grapple with the "5"s onerous thickness again, all that added battery life, no adapters for common use utility, etc? But what do I know. $200 million in the bank can't be wrong... ever.:rolleyes:
 
I'm just making a wild guess here but the hidden feature of the iPhone 7 that no one talked about will be battery life. 2 more hours overall on both models is what I'm guessing. What do you guys think? Would that make iphone 7 a good upgrade?
 
I don't know about 6S users but this is shaping up to be a great upgrade for those of us on the 6 or below.

Definitely below.
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I'm just making a wild guess here but the hidden feature of the iPhone 7 that no one talked about will be battery life. 2 more hours overall on both models is what I'm guessing. What do you guys think? Would that make iphone 7 a good upgrade?

Now, as a 6s owner 2 more hours of battery life is definitely something worth considering. I just hope battery life is as good if not better with next year's iPhone 8.
 
Exactly. We're such a weird bunch here. We practically burn for advancements in just about every technology within the phone except the one (video) technology where- it appears- many of us want to stick with the status quo- or less- until the rest of the world has already fully moved on to that "the future." That appears to be saying we want Apple tech to get there about last. Yet, in other threads, we're passionately arguing FOR the ejection of the headphone jack so that Apple can apparently LEAD the industry to some higher quality audio advancement when the ejection is not necessary to actually do that. I just don't get how the same people can burn for Apple to lead in just about every way, except this ONE way, where we want them to cling to the present.

For those that care about video, every potential gain in original shoot quality is a gift. Even if it was 30 years until maybe 4k60fps is ubiquitous, why should we try to convince everyone that clinging to the status quo is the best possible option for all? Those that do want to cling can still cling- nobody will be forced to shoot only 4K60fps. However, those that would rather "waste storage space" or adopt something "99% can't see..." can get what they want too. Everybody wins. Everybody can get what they want out of a video capture technology capable of "more," including those completely satisfied with "less."

Personally, I enthusiastically welcome the 4K60fps if this rumor pans out. And if the next phone has 8K30fps, I'll feel the same. And if the one after that has 8K60fps, I'll feel just as enthusiastic. I want to shoot life memories at the highest possible resolution now, downscale the renders until other tech catches up but have a master ready when that other tech does catch up. 20-30 years ago, VHS quality was the status quo and I have a lot of life memories shot at VHS. Scaling those up to today's status quo SHOWS... and not in a positive way- far from it. I have huge wishes that I could go back in time and give modern 4K camcorders to all the family "videographers" who shot those moments. Instead, I have to just roll with the fact that VHS quality is as good as that video will ever be viewed.

Anyone that values such stuff and maybe has some old videos knows exactly what I'm talking about. Now step forward in time about 30 more years. By then, 1080p or less will probably be VHS-like in the video norms of 2046. You don't get to come back and re-shoot at 2026, 2036 or 2046 norms. Take it from me: some of what you shoot in 2016 will only grow in value to you by 2026, more so by 2036 and more so still by 2046. Get it as good as you can... while you can. You can only capture now right now.


You hit the nail on the head again. Why so many iPhone and TV users get their back up over video advancements is beyond me? I always want to see Apple products improve in as many areas as it can. Although I am not into gaming the person who buys my Mac or iPhone might be.

Video and photo enhancements on the iPhone will force camera manufacturers to improve what the are selling. I am holding off replacing mySony A7 for this reason.

If these rumours are true I will move from not buying 2 7s to buying one for my wife, who uses the phone more than I do. At least we would have one that would have the video upgrade. Next year I would buy 2.
 
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I'm so used to hopefully waiting on an Apple TV announcement - but I think this time I may have just gotten too used to the convenience of the built in 'smartvt' functions on my actual TV... For my family, apple's probably lost the living room.
 
Maybe we'll finally get Apple encoding iPhone camera videos in h.265 which should save a decent amount of space. 60fps 4k is just insanity. I might have to get a 256GB iPhone 7 after all unless they work out how big the videos are. What I'm worried about, however, is that I store all my photos in iCloud. Currently on a 110Mbps internet connection, I can barely play back 4k 30fps video, and sometimes it buffers so much that it's unwatchable.

This should also mean that the slow-mo is getting an upgrade. In theory this thing should be close to being able to do 720p around 480fps (16x slower) and 1080p at the old 720p limit, 240fps (8x slower). I'd love an SD setting for 960fps. I think the latest Sony RX100 has that. Crazy to think that within 5-10 years, pretty much everyone will have a camera in their pocket with slow-mo capability similar to the $100k+ Phantom high-speed cameras that the Slow Mo Guys use on YouTube. I mean, the first two iPhones didn't even have video recording! The 3gs was 480p in 2009. If we get 4k 60fps only 7 years later, then that's pretty insane. And yet people complain that no advancements are being made.

Between this and the new specs showing the iPhone 7 being faster than the iPad Pro, I have to really think that this year Apple is focusing on pumping out as much performance as possible ahead of a possible major redesign next year. If they go thinner and/or smaller bezels, they can just focus on shrinking down everything they have in this generation. I mean, the 6s, according to that video posted the other week, still outperforms the Note 7. Apple doesn't want to sit still, but I think they could only marginally increase speeds next year and still be fine. They can focus on some serious new software updates and match that alongside an incredible new sleek device that looks a lot different. At this point this seems like the best approach they can take, IMO.
 
I was just ready to buy the new DJI OSMO+ but 4K at 60FPS????? I really need to see that presentation tomorrow

They also sell an OSMO Mobile to use it with any phone so I might go with this instead

I rented the original OSMO for a weekend to shoot some behind-the-scenes type stuff. While it performed beautifully... it was a pain to setup and use each time I went to use it.

If you set the OSMO down to do something else... you'll obviously turn it off to save its battery.

BUT... when you want to pick it up to shoot again... you have re-connect via WIFI to your phone. It was quite a few steps just to get going again. It was a lot of hassle.

I quickly realized that I'd rather just slide my phone into a smartphone gimbal like the OSMO Mobile or any other smartphone gimbal.

In other words... if you have to use your phone to control the OSMO anyway... why not just use the phone itself with a smartphone gimbal? That would be much easier.

The OSMO (and OSMO+) are great with their dedicated larger-sensor camera and MicroSD card slot.

But I'd rather just use my iPhone and a smartphone gimbal like the OSMO Mobile to keep things simple.
 
I think they're holding off on 4k AppleTV because iTunes doesn't have any 4k content.

Chicken & egg. Makes no sense to have up to ALL of the content in the iTunes store at 4K for :apple:TV before there is a 4K:apple:TV to play any of it. We did not have abundant CDs available before CD players, DVDs available before DVD players, Blu Ray discs before Blu Ray players, etc. Closer to "home", we do not have a single app in the app store today ready to take advantage of whatever is unique about the A10, but the A10 is coming anyway.

Hardware must lead. Hardware arrives and software catches up. OR, at best, hardware arrives and some software is made available the same day that capitalizes on the hardware advancement.

If you look through the iTunes store, not everything is available at 1080p either but that didn't stop Apple from rolling out a 1080p :apple:TV years ago. Not everything is available at 720p but that didn't stop the original :apple:TV from having 720p capabilities way back in 2007. Launching a 4K-capable :apple:TV would be no different than launching every :apple:TV before it without the store being full of content able to maximize it's hardware. That 4K:apple:TV would still play the 1080p or 720p or SD options to their MAX, just as a 1080p :apple:TV could play the 720p and SD files to their MAX when it rolled out.

Apple can't control this particular third party software (availability). But Apple has full control of the hardware they want to roll out. Launching hardware capable of "more" is, basically, what Apple does. This is no different. Hardware must come first. It actually makes no business sense the other way.
 
Between this and the new specs showing the iPhone 7 being faster than the iPad Pro, I have to really think that this year Apple is focusing on pumping out as much performance as possible ahead of a possible major redesign next year. If they go thinner and/or smaller bezels, they can just focus on shrinking down everything they have in this generation. I mean, the 6s, according to that video posted the other week, still outperforms the Note 7. Apple doesn't want to sit still, but I think they could only marginally increase speeds next year and still be fine. They can focus on some serious new software updates and match that alongside an incredible new sleek device that looks a lot different. At this point this seems like the best approach they can take, IMO.

This year's iPhone is going to be a typical S release, more power and better camera.
iPhone 5 and 6 were all about new design (and new display size) with limited performance gain compared to 4s and 5s and I guess iPhone 8 next year will feature a brand new design, a new display and a SoC with basically the same performance, maybe focused on power consumption.
I'd be happy with that
 
I was just ready to buy the new DJI OSMO+ but 4K at 60FPS????? I really need to see that presentation tomorrow

They also sell an OSMO mobile to use it with any phone so I might go with this instead
I'm super pumped about Apple's presentation tomorrow but I'm also anxiously awaiting GoPro's next announcement. The Hero5 is supposed to drop by the end of this year and they may have a stabilization stick as well:
http://www.slashgear.com/look-closely-this-is-the-gopro-hero5-karma-drone-and-osmo-rival-03454673/
 
I was just ready to buy the new DJI OSMO+ but 4K at 60FPS????? I really need to see that presentation tomorrow

They also sell an OSMO mobile to use it with any phone so I might go with this instead

As a current owner of the original OSMO the mobile is the way to go. Phones will be upgraded faster and better than DJI can keep up with - but the gimbal is super-smooth and combined with the iPhone OIS will be freakin awesome!

The original OSMO worst aspect was useless 20min battery because it was transmitting video and other data to your phone while powering the gimbal at the same time. Now they have made hardware improvements for smoother operation while adding motion time lapse and no longer needing to transmit video to a phone from the DJI camera.
 
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So they can sell the new Apple TV with 4k support. That's what Apple has been doing the past years. Give you just enough to stay on the top but never enough that you dont need to upgrade for 5 years. Remember how long iPhones had 1 GB of Ram when everyone else had 2-4 or sometimes even 6 gig (with worse performance i might add).
In what universe is hardware valid for 5 years - especially in a phone? And when has anyone had an issue with the amount of ram in the iPhone? A recent test showed the iPhone can open faster and keep more apps in memory that a samsung with twice the amount of ram.
 
And when has anyone had an issue with the amount of ram in the iPhone?

iPhone 6 (and even worse 6 Plus) was pretty bad compared to other iPhones.
And you will clearly notice the RAM after some iOS updates. Probably not a problem for most users here as it seems to be a somewhat enthusiast community who is upgrading every or every second year anyway.
 
I'll believe it when I see it. A lot of camera manufacturers have held back on 60fps at 4k because it generates an incredible amount of heat.
 
iPhone 6 (and even worse 6 Plus) was pretty bad compared to other iPhones.
And you will clearly notice the RAM after some iOS updates. Probably not a problem for most users here as it seems to be a somewhat enthusiast community who is upgrading every or every second year anyway.
I never had a single problem with the amount of ram in the 6. What issues did you have?
 
Multi-tab-browsing for copying things around was pretty bad.
I've lost many partly filled forms due to reloads. 6s totally fixed the issue, the RAM doubled but the usable amount of RAM for browsing/apps effectively tripled if you take account for the RAM which is used for system processes.
 
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