iPhone 7 to Include Five Colors, IPX7 Water Resistance, Dual 12MP Cameras on Plus Model

[ITguy2016]

No it's not.

Multiple independent tests have proven the S7 fails water proofing tests, despite Samsing's IP68 claim which is an industry standard with a clearly defined test process (5 feet under for 30 minutes).

Waterproofing tests resulted in screen failures, permanent speaker damage, camera lenses filling with water (which is nearly impossible to fix since being water resistant makes it hard to get the water out of the camera), and some devices died completely, with a CPU or similar failure.

Your S7 is only water resistant, just like any other well made electronic device. I've exposed various iPhone models to rain or brief/accidental submersion hundreds of times over the years, and only one has ever needed repair.

Can you say "Manufacturing issue"? I didn't think so.
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And? And? Hahahaha...

The Android news world is littered with reports of many, many people having to deal with malware. That's what you get if you don't properly sandbox your apps. You might not worry because you might be a relatively competent Android user. All those mums and dads who are new to smartphones aren't so wise. They don't know to avoid downloading FREE HD WALLPAPERS 4 U FREE. You could say their stupidity, but if Google wasn't so incompetent, it would then be a REAL non-issue.

As I said...those who choose to use third party application stores. Use the Google Play Store, and only the Google Play Store, and you really don't have to worry about malware. It's essentially a non issue for most Android users.

 

[AFDoc]

And why do people need to upgrade their phone every year?

Because some people can so why not? I'll be getting this one in a plus size..... my current 6s+ will go to my son..... or maybe my daughter because she's more into the "newer" stuff than he. Next year I'll actually upgrade all 4 of my lines.
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I still believe that wireless AirPods will be in the box (or a costed extra, but the primary Apple option), not lightning-earphones.

Wanted to quote this to see if you come back and admit you're wrong.... apple will NOT spend the money needed to put a wireless set of phones in every box. Pipe dreams I say.
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There have been numerous articles posted over the past few......Give us back the 3.5mm jack and keep your second/improved speaker. We don’t need a so-called stereo in our pockets.

Wow.... you ok buddy? Calm down it will all be ok. I agree with you about not needed the phone to be so thin but the rest was.... well interesting. I know lots will fuss about no HP jack but you'll be able to dongle your way to listening bliss..... all will be ok I promise.

 

[Rafterman]

The S7 and S7 Edge also failed the same tests (permanent speaker damage), and Samsung didn't fix it as far as I know.

There were no reports of permanent speaker damage - just until it dried.

 

[Nippi2000]

He's complaining about the iPhone's internal DAC being underutilized! LOL Never mind that every wireless audio device has it's own DAC and amp. Wonder why he's not heartbroken over that?

Maybe it's because he has a much better technical understanding than you?

 

[ITguy2016]

The S7 and S7 Edge also failed the same tests (permanent speaker damage), and Samsung didn't fix it as far as I know.

To my knowledge Samsung stepped up and replaced every one of them. Would Apple do the same with the 6S? Unlikely.

 

[bbbb4b]

I agree, the OLED screen on that Samsung is amazing. Hard to improve much on that.

Except to make it have decent response time (which it doesn't)
Have accurate color (which it doesn't)
Have great outdoor visibility (which it doesn't)
It does, (on the other hand) scratch really nicely.

Personally I can't decide which of the two I like better though; the new one pictured on the left or right, or the old one pictured on the right or left.

 

[ITguy2016]

Except to make it have decent response time (which it doesn't)
Have accurate color (which it doesn't)
Have great outdoor visibility (which it doesn't)
It does, (on the other hand) scratch really nicely.

Personally I can't decide which of the two I like better though; the one or the other one.

My experience has been different. Especially about the scratching...not a scratch on it. I prefer the screen on my Galaxy S7 compared to my iPhone 6.

 

[Analog Kid]

Galaxy S7 is waterproof rated IP68. According to Samsung there was a manufacturing issue and not a design flaw which led to the issue. It certainly was not because the phone contains a 3.5mm headphone jack.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s7-active-waterproof-flaw-found-and-fixed/

I don't see a reference to where the failure was so I'm not sure how you can rule out the headphone jack with certainty.

That said, I don't think anyone is claiming that a device can't include a headphone jack and be made water proof, so I'm not sure why you're so stuck on this. Every hole in the housing is another design challenge, and making sealed connectors is bulkier than non-sealed connectors. Apple appears to have made the choice, after looking at the full range of design tradeoffs, that the headphone port should go.

Waving your S7 around really isn't making a point one way or another. You have something you're happy with-- good for you.

 

[QuarterSwede]

Huh? "Invoking" Airplay is nothing like using Bluetooth A2DP. And Apple hasn't "rolled" any new streaming protocol into Bluetooth. They are simply using the existing standardized profiles.
Why? The AAC that they are using is just as good.

You're thinking tech and I'm talking about user experience. Just never mind and forget I brought it up. It seriously doesn't matter this much.

 

[ITguy2016]

I don't see a reference to where the failure was so I'm not sure how you can rule out the headphone jack with certainty.

You don't? Then you're blind because it clearly states:

"We discovered an isolated issue to a production line that exclusively manufacturers the Galaxy S7 Active."

Unless you consider the inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack to be a "an isolated issue to a production line" that was resolved (without removing said jack mind you) then it clearly was a production issue and had nothing to do with the inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack.

That said, I don't think anyone is claiming that a device can't include a headphone jack and be made water proof, so I'm not sure why you're so stuck on this.

Why I'm stuck on this? To the contrary I pointed out that Samsung was able to do so. That was in response to your statement:

"You do understand the reasons behind it-- better water resistance..."

No my friend, it was you who is in error.

Every hole in the housing is another design challenge, and making sealed connectors is bulkier than non-sealed connectors. Apple appears to have made the choice, after looking at the full range of design tradeoffs, that the headphone port should go.

Everything I've read about its removal points to making the phone thinner not "improving" its water resistence.

Waving your S7 around really isn't making a point one way or another. You have something you're happy with-- good for you.

It shows one can have a thin phone and water resistance...unlike your implication one cannot. "My" Galaxy S7 disproved your theory.

 

[bbbb4b]

My experience has been different. Especially about the scratching...not a scratch on it. I prefer the screen on my Galaxy S7 compared to my iPhone 6.

Ohhhhh. "Your experience". Well... That settles it then. Thanks!

 

[ITguy2016]

Ohhhhh. "Your experience". Well... That settles it then. Thanks!

I'm sure I'm not alone. You're welcome.

 

[iamnotme]

Yeah..... If you want real excitement buy a Samsung. Those things blow up. Now that's excitement! One minute you're killing Pokemons (or whatever you do them them) and the next your phone is killing you. BOOOOOOMMMM

Omg I had a really good laugh at that. Take a freakin chance will you??

 

[Count Blah]

As I said...those who choose to use third party application stores. Use the Google Play Store, and only the Google Play Store, and you really don't have to worry about malware. It's essentially a non issue for most Android users.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/brand-malware-discovered-android-apps-google-play-store-230017404.html

 

[ITguy2016]

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/brand-malware-discovered-android-apps-google-play-store-230017404.html

What part of:

"...essentially a non issue..."

And:

"...is primarily a concern if you change the default configuration..."

Are you having difficulty with? Both of these statements do not say Android is immune to malware. They both state it's unlikely.

With that said do you feel malware cannot sneak into the Apple App Store? Charlie Miller already proved it could. Apple is not immune. As always bad guys will target the largest user base.

 

[Analog Kid]

You don't? Then you're blind because it clearly states:

"We discovered an isolated issue to a production line that exclusively manufacturers the Galaxy S7 Active."

Unless you consider the inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack to be a "an isolated issue to a production line" that was resolved (without removing said jack mind you) then it clearly was a production issue and had nothing to do with the inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack.

Why I'm stuck on this? To the contrary I pointed out that Samsung was able to do so. That was in response to your statement:

"You do understand the reasons behind it-- better water resistance..."

No my friend, it was you who is in error.

Everything I've read about its removal points to making the phone thinner not "improving" its water resistence.

It shows one can have a thin phone and water resistance...unlike your implication one cannot. "My" Galaxy S7 disproved your theory.

Ok, so rather than going ad hominem, start by acknowledging that you've never been involved in product development. It's not that I'm blind, it's that I know that production issues have their roots in design. More complex designs are more complicated to manufacture, and more complex manufacturing leads to lower yields. Even a blind man knows that until given a report of where the point of ingress was and how the fix was implemented in manufacturing, you don't know whether the headphone jack was the cause or not.

Every hole in the case, every join, every gasket, every potted component, every seam and every cutout, is a potential failure point. Connectors are particularly problematic because every insertion removal cycle stresses the interface between components and risks compromising the seal, as does the additional leverage of the connector and cable hanging off the device.

Why I'm stuck on this? To the contrary I pointed out that Samsung was able to do so. That was in response to your statement:

"You do understand the reasons behind it-- better water resistance..."

No my friend, it was you who is in error.

It shows one can have a thin phone and water resistance...unlike your implication one cannot. "My" Galaxy S7 disproved your theory.

Uh, in the line you quoted I quite explicitly said:

I don't think anyone is claiming that a device can't include a headphone jack and be made water proof

It is entirely possible. What I said, and will continue to say, is that every component, every hole in the case, and every seal is a potential failure point so removing all the entry points you can makes it easier to water proof reliably.

You can prefer a different set of compromises, but you really can't argue with that fact.

Everything I've read about its removal points to making the phone thinner not "improving" its water resistence.

Everything I've read points to the iPhone 7 having the same outline as the iPhone 6 so thinner is not the motivator. Can you point me to a source that says this generation iPhone is expected to be thinner than the last?

 

[Mac 128]

That chart is extremely misleading. If you look at a long term chart, dating back to 2007, it's clear their 2016 numbers are very strong:

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In the early years, apple's "growth" was really just "selling in more countries on more cell networks than they ever did before".

2012 was the first year where iPhones were truly available on almost any carrier, and afterwards their growth was slow and steady for 3 years

In 2015 they added new screen sizes which created a temporary burst in sales that could never be matched in 2016 especially since many people are locked into a 24 month device repayment plan.

2016 growth is right on track with normal growth, and 2017 is likely to see another bubble of growth as all those new customers in 2015 reach the end of their 24 month contract.

Well you've proven that anybody can take some data points and use them to support their position.

What will you say if Apple's growth continues to slide, and iPhone sales continue to drop? Will it just be the market correcting itself to fit your chart profile? Or could the product have something to do with it?

Here's what I believe I know:

The smartphone industry as a whole is expected to grow some 5% over 2016/17. Apple is currently losing global market share. And Apple's profits are declining for the first time in a decade.

Is this really the best time to remove the headphone jack in order to push 3.5mm adapters, Lightning headphones, and MFi licenses to increase profits? REMEMBER: this was the original cynical theory I was debunking. It doesn't really matter if Apple is now about where it should have been last year, and that last year made up for the sales drop it's currently experiencing -- though I would like to see a company explain that to their investors: 'don't worry if we lose money next year, this year's profits will cover us and we'll still be ahead of where we were two years ago'. The fact is, as far as investors are concerned, Apple's growth is slowing and sales are declining. Even if Apple resumes strong growth with the iPhone 7, removing the headphone jack is definitely going to initially cost Apple sales. Those sales aren't likely to be made up easily in other areas where Apple is also in decline globally, and certainly not by headphone and adapter sales.

I don't disagree with your overall analysis, put please keep it in perspective with the original claims. My entire point in presenting this data is to demonstrate that Apple wouldn't casually remove the headphone jack at this particular juncture in their financial history merely to drive up profits by nickel and dime-ing their customers.

 

[doelcm82]

Galaxy S7 is waterproof rated IP68. According to Samsung there was a manufacturing issue and not a design flaw which led to the issue. It certainly was not because the phone contains a 3.5mm headphone jack.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s7-active-waterproof-flaw-found-and-fixed/

Fine. But Apple also certainly isn't removing the 3.5mm headphone jack in order to make the iPhone waterproof. It just happens to be one less hole that has to be protected against water getting into the phone. Easier waterproofing is a benefit of getting rid of the dedicated audio port, but not the reason for it.

Apple Engineer: We don't have to get rid of the 3.5mm audio jack. We can waterproof the iPhone with the jack still there.
Apple Designer: Interesting, but not relevant. We have a lightning port for data input and output, including audio data. The single-purpose headphone jack is redundant.

 

[Mudcat62]

The IPhone 7 will be a beast. There is not a phone out there that will touch it, including the S8. All the talk about losing headphone jack. Samsung can't lose the jack, because their BT sucks. Can't wait for the wireless world. Samsung is about to be left behind, so all the whining about the jack. Samsung rushed for he Note 7 to get ahead of Apple and use their enormous advertising budget and paid shills on the tech sites love me here to get people to fork out obscene money for a mid tier phone that has a myriad of issues, the biggest being the battery, hence the recall.

 

[Robstevo]

Except to make it have decent response time (which it doesn't)
Have accurate color (which it doesn't)
Have great outdoor visibility (which it doesn't)
It does, (on the other hand) scratch really nicely.

Personally I can't decide which of the two I like better though; the new one pictured on the left or right, or the old one pictured on the right or left.

Display mate has the s6 as the most accurate display they have ever tested, which has been further improved by the note 7 and s7. So please check your facts. and if your talking about colors popping, Samsung allows you to adjust this to make it a more natural colour, which wipes out your view.

Looking at these photos as well:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Outdoor-display-comparison-iPhone-6s-vs-S7-edge-vs-10-vs-G5_id81070

The Iphone screen doesn't perform better in outdoors either!

I'm not even sure what you mean by response times either.

So yea Your Opinions Don't match up with the facts.but Oh well, Enjoy your 6 year old, 720p Screen

 

[Denmac1]

Think I'll just buy an SE now and leave well enough alone. Never had any interest in Samsung (except watching all the bashing that goes on, whether it's deserved or not)
The market has matured and Apple is now a mass market manufacturer. I deal with specialty products and Apple is no longer special or innovative, IMHO.
As a side note, I still can't understand what the thousand's of Apple employees are working on....the product line is very stagnant.

 

[Keirasplace]

Can you say "Manufacturing issue"? I didn't think so.
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As I said...those who choose to use third party application stores. Use the Google Play Store, and only the Google Play Store, and you really don't have to worry about malware. It's essentially a non issue for most Android users.

Actually, many apps which exploits security problems have made their way through the apps store.
Also, you forgot sideloading from a link. Many people will click on just about anything!!
So, please spare your your pap.

 

[ITguy2016]

Ok, so rather than going ad hominem, start by acknowledging that you've never been involved in product development. It's not that I'm blind, it's that I know that production issues have their roots in design. More complex designs are more complicated to manufacture, and more complex manufacturing leads to lower yields. Even a blind man knows that until given a report of where the point of ingress was and how the fix was implemented in manufacturing, you don't know whether the headphone jack was the cause or not.

No ad homs, just facts. You just don't like the answer. Samsung is able to produce a water resistant, thin phone which includes a 3.5mm headphone jack. Apple can do the same. Why don't you just admit Apple, as has been reported by many sources, is removing the 3.5mm headphone jack to make it thinner and not because they're incapable of making the iPhone water resistant while including a 3.5mm headphone jack?

 

[doelcm82]

The smartphone industry as a whole is expected to grow some 5% over 2016/17. Apple is currently losing global market share. And Apple's profits are declining for the first time in a decade.

Is this really the best time to remove the headphone jack

It depends on what Apple's reason is for removing the headphone jack (you gave one, but I don't think it's Apple's reason). (EDIT: re-reading your post I don't think you think it's Apple's reason either.) If Apple's future plans for the iPhone line would be held back by staying tied to the headphone jack, then maybe it is the best time. Or maybe last year was the best time and this is a slightly better time. Or maybe next year is the best time.

In any case, it seems to be happening now, whether it's a year too early or a year too late, or the Goldilocks time for the move.

 

[Count Blah]

What part of:

"...essentially a non issue..."

And:

"...is primarily a concern if you change the default configuration..."

Are you having difficulty with? Both of these statements do not say Android is immune to malware. They both state it's unlikely.

With that said do you feel malware cannot sneak into the Apple App Store? Charlie Miller already proved it could. Apple is not immune. As always bad guys will target the largest user base.

So it's a non-issue, unless it's an issue.

Gotcha.