iPhone 7 to Include Five Colors, IPX7 Water Resistance, Dual 12MP Cameras on Plus Model

[iPhaithful]

I'm not reading all through this thread, it's too long. But I wonder how many people are listening to music through their wired headphones and have the phone charging at the same time with their current device? Just seems.....idk....unnatural. So why are we making a big deal?

 

[d656]

IPX7 is interesting as that classification included the ability to sustain pressurised water jets. Pressure washer etc.

Def a step in the right direction.

That's not true

 

[Abazigal]

No ad homs, just facts. You just don't like the answer. Samsung is able to produce a water resistant, thin phone which includes a 3.5mm headphone jack. Apple can do the same. Why don't you just admit Apple, as has been reported by many sources, is removing the 3.5mm headphone jack to make it thinner and not because they're incapable of making the iPhone water resistant while including a 3.5mm headphone jack?

Based on what I have read, the space previously filled by the headphone jack will be used for another Taptic Engine to improve the force touch experience. The dimensions look like they will remain largely unchanged.

I admit that I am not sure what is keeping Apple from making the current iPhone waterproof. Maybe there are certain design and engineering constraints not pertaining to the S7? I guess we will have to wait for a ifixit tear down to confirm this.

 

[Mac 128]

It depends on what Apple's reason is for removing the headphone jack (you gave one, but I don't think it's Apple's reason). If Apple's future plans for the iPhone line would be held back by staying tied to the headphone jack, then maybe it is the best time. Or maybe last year was the best time and this is a slightly better time. Or maybe next year is the best time.

In any case, it seems to be happening now, whether it's a year too early or a year too late, or the Goldilocks time for the move.

Ugh. Please don't do that to me. I didn't give a reason for Apple removing the headphone jack at all.

I was debunking the cynical theory presented by many on this forum that Apple's greed is driving them to remove the headphone jack at the customer's expense, merely to boost their profits making customers buy adapters, and headphones; by pointing out why this year would be a bad year to do that if that was indeed their goal. It doesn't make any logical sense for Apple to embark on such a sinister scheme during such a period period of decline, especially when the alleged result of said scheme is to boost profits, which declining iPhone sales will only circumvent, exacerbated by those who don't buy because of the headphone jack.

I agree, Apple is removing the headphone jack at the appropriate time for the technology now available to further their long term plans.

 

[AFDoc]

Yea I'm angry. They are not removing your Bluetooth capability, so what are you complaining about. Bluetooth has perfectly coexisted with the 3.5mm jack for years.

and now it can still coexist with the 3.5mm jack via a dongle.... you lose nothing so stop being so dramatic.

 

[flat five]

Looking at these photos as well:

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Outdoor-display-comparison-iPhone-6s-vs-S7-edge-vs-10-vs-G5_id81070

The Iphone screen doesn't perform better in outdoors either!

according to the writer at the link you provided, the iphone was the best of the bunch..

while you may have a valid point, this link sure isn't backing it up

 

[AFDoc]

Here, there is no evidence that 3.5mm is on the decline and the move is to a wholly untested closed replacement.

Sure there is.... very clear evidence. IF you want an apple iPhone you WON'T be getting a 3.5mm jack which is as about as clear as you can get.....You can still use any and every 3.5mm jacked item you wish.... nothing has changed in that aspect. Not sure why so many here on MR are so upset.... use your phones with your iPhone.... no different than the first iPhone through to the yet announced new iPhone.

 

[flat five]

It depends on what Apple's reason is for removing the headphone jack

maybe someone finally looked at the plug and was like "holy crap!, that thing is from the 1800s !"
--
either that or they finally got siri inside the phone so you don't have to use jacks to talk to her anymore:

....

 

[Analog Kid]

You don't? Then you're blind because it clearly states:

No ad homs, just facts.

I am not, in fact, blind.

You just don't like the answer. Samsung is able to produce a water resistant, thin phone which includes a 3.5mm headphone jack. Apple can do the same. Why don't you just admit Apple, as has been reported by many sources, is removing the 3.5mm headphone jack to make it thinner and not because they're incapable of making the iPhone water resistant while including a 3.5mm headphone jack?

This "I'm not wrong, you just don't like it" line of argument is a dead end. You're not answering anything for me to not like. Samsung made a water resistant phone with a headphone jack-- yay Samsung! There's nothing there to not like.

That has nothing to do with the fact that, as Samsung has learned, making something water resistant is very hard to accomplish and thus removing the headphone jack makes that process easier. In addition it takes up space. Those are the reasons Apple is said to have removed the component, and they make perfect sense. Some people may choose different tradeoffs, but the reasoning behind Apple's decision seems pretty clear.

Since you clearly get my point, and there's nothing more to learn here, I don't see a reason to continue arguing about nothing. If you can point me to a source that says the iPhone7 will be thinner than the iPhone6s (all sources I've seen say it'll be the same form factor), then I can add that to my list of reasons why Apple is removing the headphone jack (these aren't mutually exclusive, you understand-- the longer the list of reasons to remove it the better that decision looks).

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

I feel it's amazing too, sometimes us humans don't realise how much we actually have, and forget what it was like without this technology. I mean, nowadays if you want to listen to a certain song, open Spotify, etc and tap it. Same goes for movies. This wasn't possible or nearly as accessible 10 years ago.

I think I'll be like that in maybe 5 years where technology has advanced and we maybe have double the processing power or whatever vs what we have today. And then in a decade or two, if I have kids and that they'll grow up and wonder how we ever got stuff done on our current technology.

This morning, at breakfast, we had our "First World Problems" discussion with them. Our 8 year old was complaining that her brother was begging her for the iPad, and the argument ensued...

"Kids, when we were your age, we had to watch one of 4 channels on TV, and we had snow on them!"
"Dad, what's 'snow' on the TV?"

"Kids, we had to deal with cars that you had to keep running, and if they went to 100,000 miles (both of our cars are at ~150,000, and they run well...) you were lucky! Plus, things like a 73 inch TV were unheard of, games were you play with other kids/adults from around the world, and get this: You had to walk to the wall to answer the phone, and it had a cord, and you had to have the conversation within 8 feet of the phone, on the wall.

Luckily, we had watched re-runs of Family Ties, so they had an inkling of what I was talking about, and responded, "you had to do that?"

"Yes, and to call long distance, you waited until after 8 at night, or did it on the weekends. Otherwise, you paid through the nose for those calls. Like $10 for a 20 minute call! Plus, to pay for those, we had to write checks! (The last one we wrote was for something or another, about 3 months ago...)"

I can only imagine their "when I was a kid..." stories!

 

[nviz22]

I want better battery efficiency along with a bigger battery. In my case, I'm okay with the battery life, as I said in my daily routine I have lots of juice around me, plus an anker 26000 mah battery. I went abroad for 5 days and never plugged into a wall once. So a bigger battery would be nice along with increased battery efficiency.

With iOS, that's more of a gimme than with a lot of Android devices, so it's an understanding more or less?

 

[tgwaste]

How does the case charge?

Via a cable. After it charges your headphones 3 full times. :/

 

[nviz22]

I believe what the poster was implying is: in Europe the Dutch - along with the Scots - have a reputation for being very tight & ungenerous with money.
According to wikipedia: 'The Dutch are stereotyped as being "stingy" or "tight-fisted"'.
Just a stereotype and like all stereotypes.
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Battery is fine for me. no need for better battery.
Non-negotiable for me is: strong security, reliable connectivity (phone+data), good camera quality, fast app changing etc.
iPhone delivers on these, samsung probably also, Idk, never used one.

Samsung does all of that. It surpasses the iPhone with the camera quality software and hardware wise. Security is fine with Knox. It gets check marks on the list, just not as fast as an Apple SoC.
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My 6S+ routinely ends the day at over 40+%.

I don't mind extra battery, up to the point where it more than suffices in lasting me through the day. Beyond that point, extra battery would simply be added bulk and weigh for no noticeable benefit to me.

I actually miss the battery life my iPhone gave over my buggy S7 right now. Thanks to that lousy August patch, I have little battery with like 2 hrs of SOT. I am looking at the iPhone 7/7+ now more and more. I want to be pleasantly surprised with the announcement. I really do want the iPhone 7 to be relevant for me, but the rumors are saying otherwise because of the 2017 iPhone rumors.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

I am not, in fact, blind.

This "I'm not wrong, you just don't like it" line of argument is a dead end. You're not answering anything for me to not like. Samsung made a water resistant phone with a headphone jack-- yay Samsung! There's nothing there to not like.

That has nothing to do with the fact that, as Samsung has learned, making something water resistant is very hard to accomplish and thus removing the headphone jack makes that process easier. In addition it takes up space. Those are the reasons Apple is said to have removed the component, and they make perfect sense. Some people may choose different tradeoffs, but the reasoning behind Apple's decision seems pretty clear.

Since you clearly get my point, and there's nothing more to learn here, I don't see a reason to continue arguing about nothing. If you can point me to a source that says the iPhone7 will be thinner than the iPhone6s (all sources I've seen say it'll be the same form factor), then I can add that to my list of reasons why Apple is removing the headphone jack (these aren't mutually exclusive, you understand-- the longer the list of reasons to remove it the better that decision looks).

OMG! They're removing the headset jack! (2016)
OMG! They're removing the CD/DVD player! (2014)
OMG! They're removing the 30 pin connector! (2012)
OMG! They're removing the Gx Chips and going to Intel! (OK, maybe no one did that...)
OMG! They're removing the Fax/Modem! (2006)
OMG! They're removing the 3.5in floppy! (1999)
OMG! They're removing the Apple II! (1990)

Those that want to panic will find any reason to.

 

[44267547]

I'm not reading all through this thread, it's too long. But I wonder how many people are listening to music through their wired headphones and have the phone charging at the same time with their current device? Just seems.....idk....unnatural. So why are we making a big deal?

It's not unnatural. I charge my iPhone and listen to music at the same time, all the time, at home and in my vehicle.

 

[Robstevo]

according to the writer at the link you provided, the iphone was the best of the bunch..

while you may have a valid point, this link sure isn't backing it up

My Point was they all look like crap, just to varying degrees.

 

[44267547]

This morning, at breakfast, we had our "First World Problems" discussion with them. Our 8 year old was complaining that her brother was begging her for the iPad, and the argument ensued...

"Kids, when we were your age, we had to watch one of 4 channels on TV, and we had snow on them!"
"Dad, what's 'snow' on the TV?"

"Kids, we had to deal with cars that you had to keep running, and if they went to 100,000 miles (both of our cars are at ~150,000, and they run well...) you were lucky! Plus, things like a 73 inch TV were unheard of, games were you play with other kids/adults from around the world, and get this: You had to walk to the wall to answer the phone, and it had a cord, and you had to have the conversation within 8 feet of the phone, on the wall.

Luckily, we had watched re-runs of Family Ties, so they had an inkling of what I was talking about, and responded, "you had to do that?"

"Yes, and to call long distance, you waited until after 8 at night, or did it on the weekends. Otherwise, you paid through the nose for those calls. Like $10 for a 20 minute call! Plus, to pay for those, we had to write checks! (The last one we wrote was for something or another, about 3 months ago...)"

I can only imagine their "when I was a kid..." stories!

Now....those truly were the days. Oh, how spoiled we are in this world of lavish technology.

 

[flat five]

I can only imagine their "when I was a kid..." stories!

theirs will be

"...we had to talk to computers with typewriters "

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

You've never seen differing features in different models of a range?
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They are focussed elsewhere now, it seems.

I'm a little mixed on having all of the *great* features on the X+. I get the plus phones, but Mrs. Thequik gets the smaller ones, but does want the better features, but not the larger screen, so she either has to go without those features or get a larger screen. Not really a Sofie's Choice, but more of a tradeoff between the "to get something I want, I have to have something I really don't" Size of something that you hold in your hand is a major part, it's not like getting a bread dough hook with your mixer, that you put in the drawer and never used in the 23 years you've had it(revealing too much, am I?), but something intrinsic to the usability of the device (with her smaller hands).

Just a different point of view, but I do understand your point that you made.
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Now....those truly were the days. Oh, how spoiled we are in this world of lavish technology.

Yeah, Mrs. Thequik, the kids, and I laugh when we tell these stories. I love the future, and all of the ease of life it promises.
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theirs will be

"...we had to talk to computers with typewriters "

If they only knew what a typewriter was!
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according to the writer at the link you provided, the iphone was the best of the bunch..

while you may have a valid point, this link sure isn't backing it up

Nothing like the "To the prosecutor, I say this: My client is guilty of all of the crimes that he is accused of, and here are a few more for you to bring charges on!" defense!
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I'm not reading all through this thread, it's too long. But I wonder how many people are listening to music through their wired headphones and have the phone charging at the same time with their current device? Just seems.....idk....unnatural. So why are we making a big deal?

I did, until 2012. Then, the headset jack went to the bottom by the lightning port, and I didn't want to shell out another $30 for the desktop stand (where I'd have to constantly remove/reinstall the headset to the stand), when I can just lay the phone down and charge and listen. Once I moved to Bluetooth headsets, the point is moot for me now.

 

[Analog Kid]

OMG! They're removing the headset jack! (2016)
OMG! They're removing the CD/DVD player! (2014)
OMG! They're removing the 30 pin connector! (2012)
OMG! They're removing the Gx Chips and going to Intel! (OK, maybe no one did that...)
OMG! They're removing the Fax/Modem! (2006)
OMG! They're removing the 3.5in floppy! (1999)
OMG! They're removing the Apple II! (1990)

Those that want to panic will find any reason to.

Those who want to FUD will find any reason to...

I'm particularly partial to the "Apple is so behind the times-- wait, why are they changing things?!!" arguments.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

I wish their was a dislike button for posts like this. You earned it.

If only they had strikethrough along with bold, italics, and underline...
Hey! They do!

 

[kalakana]

I'm not reading all through this thread, it's too long. But I wonder how many people are listening to music through their wired headphones and have the phone charging at the same time with their current device? Just seems.....idk....unnatural. So why are we making a big deal?

Most of the time I drive around my car I have my iphone charging through lighter socket, waze running and also connected to car's AUX input through headphone jack for music/internet radio.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

Those who want to FUD will find any reason to...

I'm particularly partial to the "Apple is so behind the times-- wait, why are they changing things?!!" arguments.

When I worked at Intel, they had this saying (in the factories, where they are Copy Exactly between them):

To make things better, we need change.
Change is different.
Different is bad.
Therefore, better is bad.

I see the same arguments here.

 

[arkmannj]

I'm not reading all through this thread, it's too long. But I wonder how many people are listening to music through their wired headphones and have the phone charging at the same time with their current device? Just seems.....idk....unnatural. So why are we making a big deal?

I do and I see atleast dozens (possibly hundreds) of people doing it every day. Our work blocks all media (pandora, apple music, etc...) through the LAN but offers wifi that allows it. It is very popular to put in headphones all day and listen to music. We can also forward our desk phones to our cell phones making it natural and easy to listen then switch to phone calls. 8-12+ hours of constant use means most people can't (or at least don't want to) depend on Bluetooth all the time due to decreased battery, cost, weight, etc and people want to keep their phones charged this means the most common setup by far is wired headphones while also charging, it seems to work out very well.


We also use the audio port to plug into our car AUX ports for navigation, music, etc.. on trips and commuting, then plug into power.

 

[doelcm82]

Ugh. Please don't do that to me. I didn't give a reason for Apple removing the headphone jack at all.

I was debunking the cynical theory presented by many on this forum that Apple's greed is driving them to remove the headphone jack at the customer's expense, merely to boost their profits making customers buy adapters, and headphones; by pointing out why this year would be a bad year to do that if that was indeed their goal. It doesn't make any logical sense for Apple to embark on such a sinister scheme during such a period period of decline, especially when the alleged result of said scheme is to boost profits, which declining iPhone sales will only circumvent, exacerbated by those who don't buy because of the headphone jack.

I agree, Apple is removing the headphone jack at the appropriate time for the technology now available to further their long term plans.

Sorry. I realized that and edited my post.