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Lots of space on the top
This picture doesn't seem to depict enough space for a headphone jack
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The Note 7 was THE BEST phone on the planet .The design truly was beautiful and they truly had outmanoeuvred Apple on this one. Apple was on the platter ready for the taking until Samsung messed up

I have to agree the design was nice, however, that OS is awful. Speaking of "that OS" I am not downing Android, just the particular flavor of crap Samsung loves to layer on it.
 
I think now that phones have only incremental upgrades most of this is just marketing wow. The iPhone 7 is a decent upgrade - the processors still make Android/Samsung phones look a few generations behind, its waterproof, and has a great camera. They should have gone USB-C since they decided to do that on their MacBooks and now they are a mess. But the 7 is a great upgrade. Is it a great upgrade from the 6S? Is the Samsung Note 7 a great upgrade from what every Samsung phone was right before? Not really. Its incrementalism now.

Technology everywhere has always had incremental upgrades, it's nothing new and certainly not exclusive to recent smartphones. We get one big leap in tech about once a decade, but that's it.

That said if you incrementally upgrade 10 different aspects of a device it makes a large difference overall from one device to the next.
 
Lets hope the 2017 will be *the* redesign most of us have been waiting for. If Apple fails to deliver, its yet another sign that Apple are losing direction and require a fresh CEO to put Apple on the right heading.


I'm glad Apple is waiting and taking their time with the redesign. Remember - Apple is ever first, but always the best.

People get upset over a headphone jack, but not over an exploding phone. And yet people question the values of Apple and not Samsung.

I would argue the dual camera / telescopic zoom is a major feature as the jump in camera quality between the 6s is quite large.
 
People buying expensive Android phones probably prefer that to iOS.


Apple may be selling a boatload of iPhones but the market saturation of smartphones comes from android devices ... why, because they do everything that 95% of the market whats them do do.
 
The iMac did away with serial ports because USB was clearly better and where the industry would go. I think Cook missed the lesson there: It's wasn't that Apple products are so cool that customers follow whatever they say, it was that Jobs paid attention to what was going to happen anyway and was on the leading edge of it (but not bleeding edge ... he did away with modems, but not too early). A headphone jack is not a serial bus; if anything it's more like a lightbulb screw: been around for over 100 years because it works. Apple makes its mark with WOW products no one has thought to bring to market yet. They suck when trying to build a better mousetrap ... their (well Job's) genius was redefine what a mousetrap WAS. Making average products with stripped away functionality at above average prices is what nearly tanked them in the early 90s. Hopefully they didn't blow all their moola on that spaceship and can ride this out until someone with some vision comes in. Still hate windows; still prefer Mac, but some days are harder than others to like the one you love.
 
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I can believe this... the modest feature set of the 7 was more than outweighed IMHO by the short-term inconvenience of losing the headphone jack (which the iOS 10 BT issues & AirPods delays show even Apple weren't ready for), hence I went 6 to 6S instead. Still holding out hope for a worthy 8 though!
 
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How are you a moderator on an Apple site?

If you can't make sense of it there really isn't any other way to explain it
Are you saying that I cannot hold an independent thought and I must blindly agree to everything Apple does?

As pointed out, Apple made a statement about how antqiuated the headphone jack is, and yet they included it in the MBP

Beside, I already said the iPhone 7 is a nice phone, my wife has one. I think its good, but I am critical of them removing something that many of us use.

As I stated, I cannot use the iPhone 7, having it charging and listen to music on my headphones - something I do all the time.
 
Are you saying that I cannot hold an independent thought and I must blindly agree to everything Apple does?

As pointed out, Apple made a statement about how antqiuated the headphone jack is, and yet they included it in the MBP
Apple thinning products is nothing new and it's probably nothing that will change. I actually like that - I like thin and light. Figured a moderator would be on the same page, to each their own.

There's plenty of space to put a headphone jack in a laptop and honestly they should've put a few other ports in there but they didn't. The iPhone just didn't have the space and something would have to give in order to put it in there - either stereo speakers, waterproofing, none of which I would be willing to give up for a headphone jack.
 
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Well if a hardware analyst nobody has ever heard of says so...but hey it will be good for clicks on sites like this so it's all good, right?
 
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I have to agree the design was nice, however, that OS is awful. Speaking of "that OS" I am not downing Android, just the particular flavor of crap Samsung loves to layer on it.
Touchwhiz never bothered me. The funny thing is, a case can be made that the majority of Android users probably think TW is more real Android than Google's unskinned version. The only people who really complain about TW are tech media, tech nerds, and Apple fans parroting the tech media. I've owned the S3, S5, and just recently moved to the S7. TW was okay and did have some unique features. The last time I ran full TW was on the S3. Since then I've run different launchers like Apex, Nova, ADW, etc. The best part is I can run my launcher of choice and keep the TW features I want. Win/Win.
 
A pathetic attempt to portray Apple as anything but dominating the smartphone market.

The main reason why some people favoured the Note phones in the first place is precisely because it offered features that the iPhone didn't. Just as there are tons of people who prefer the iPhone because it has features Android phones don't. That's precisely the whole point.

It's like walking into a french restaurant and complaining it doesn't serve hamburger and fries.

Apple has 20% market share, which means 80% of smartphone users didn't choose it. This doesn't mean Apple is doing anything wrong, because 20% is still a lot of (very lucrative) phones sold in an absolute numerical sense.
 
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Everything about the iPhone 7 speaks of an experimental device, preparing for a major transition into a massive change. I thought that was clear, but "analysts" haven't mentioned that at all...

1) Water resistance - movement towards an enclosed, "do anything" device
2) Removal of headphone jack - movement towards a truly wireless device (as with charging wirelessly from distance acquisition)
3) Removal of home "button"/use of haptic engine - coupled with integrated Touch ID on MacBook Pro, a movement towards removal of bezels and integrating the home button into the home screen

I can't remember more right now, but this phone speaks to a massive change in iPhones. It isn't it, but it's the first step towards a revolutionary design.

I truly hope you're right. Laid out as you suggest, I could envision a stunning device, both in technology, and design.

I'd be surprised if Apple put so many new features into a single refresh. Usually, they have one or two game-changing features supported by other incremental improvements (e.g., iP4: Retina Display, a new glass design; iP5/s: Touch ID, Lightning Port; iP7: a sealed, haptic, Home Button, innovative new camera setup; etc. All of these new features are supported by updates in processing, graphics, RAM, manufacturing processes).

It will be most interesting to see how Apple approaches the 10th anniversary of iPhone. Do they stick with the 'S' cycle, or throw out the rule book, nix the enumeration, and introduce three core models: 4", 4.7", 5.5", or iPhone, iPhone S, iPhone Pro (respectively)?
 
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Apple thinning products is nothing new and it's probably nothing that will change.
Agreed.

Figured a moderator would be on the same page, to each their own.
I don't work for Apple and I'm a member who happens to volunteer my time to help moderate. That doesn't mean I have to leave my opinions at the door.

There's plenty of space to put a headphone jack and honestly they should've put a few other ports in there but they didn't.
They did it partly because they pushing people to be wireless. Like or hate that notion Apple is moving to less connectors, in the phone and laptops.
 
Are you saying that I cannot hold an independent thought and I must blindly agree to everything Apple does?

As pointed out, Apple made a statement about how antqiuated the headphone jack is, and yet they included it in the MBP

Beside, I already said the iPhone 7 is a nice phone, my wife has one. I think its good, but I am critical of them removing something that many of us use.

As I stated, I cannot use the iPhone 7, having it charging and listen to music on my headphones - something I do all the time.

I think the only true scam is that Apple reduced the amount of ports in the non touchbar MacBook Pro. That just makes no sense
 
I used all the iPhones since "3" all the way up to 5S. When 6 came out with the hideous white bands and camera bump on the corner (unstable on table) I just could not justify paying that much money since iOS did not have any significant updates either. 16Gb model with barely free space and big price tag.

The thing is, Siri and Apple pay are big things what Apple is promoting. But outside the US, they are unusable and many articles seem to tout that Siri is crap even in US. So many new iOS features were like this. I changed from 5S to Oneplus One, then Moto G, Huawei P8 and now via Galaxy S6 to S7. I wanted to see what the world looked like behind the Apple wall. I can say that biggest issue is Android fragmentation and cheap devices but the features and options are better than in iOS. My Galaxy S7 has amazing camera, MicroSD slot, water proofing, HR sensor and Quick Charge and full (not crippled) NFC, location aware custom functions. If the iPhone SE would have had revolutionary iOS revamp, that would have been my dream phone.
 
That makes even less sense. Perhaps if they stopped with their unhealthy fascination with thinness, then we'd still have a phone jack.

I don't think it has anything to do with thinness. iPod Touch 5/6 is much thinner and still has a jack. On the topic of thinness, I have always been one to buck the supposed trend on here and prefer having a sleek, light device rather than a few extra grams and a few extra hours battery life. I think those who have simply said "make it a few mm thicker and slap a bigger battery on it" are really missing the big picture.

It's been fairly obvious to me for the last decade or so that true wireless power is coming, it was always just a matter of time. People have dismissed me with "it's not physically possible" but just a few years ago the thought of fitting a processor faster than a lot of desktops and a camera to rival most snapshots into something that can fit in your pocket was also physically impossible.

Efficiency is key, and to drive at that one has to have a low ceiling to work under, so breakthroughs in other areas are made. Slapping a bigger battery on is lazy and will just lead to larger and larger batteries needing adding each year. It's not a good practice.

The drive for efficiency doesn't just allow thinner phones, it makes way for other gadgets that simply wouldn't be possible otherwise. Just look at the battery life on the Earpods for example compared to Samsung's own wireless buds, and bear in mind Samsung are in the "slap a bigger battery on" camp.

It's 90 minutes vs 300.

That aside, when true wireless charging arrives, we won't even need big batteries anyway. Everything will keep itself charged.
 
Apple thinning products is nothing new and it's probably nothing that will change. I actually like that - I like thin and light. Figured a moderator would be on the same page, to each their own.

There's plenty of space to put a headphone jack in a laptop and honestly they should've put a few other ports in there but they didn't. The iPhone just didn't have the space and something would have to give in order to put it in there - either stereo speakers, waterproofing, none of which I would be willing to give up for a headphone jack.

Moderators need to be independent. Image if moderation powers were given to the most negative or most loving fans.....people accounts would be banned left and right when toys got throw out the pram.

In relation to the iPhone, id give up hectic feedback or stereo speakers in a flash for the headphone jack. The waterproofing is not even worth anything as apple does not cover it under warranty .
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You mean that you've never heard off ... he's been around for awhile ... so should all analysts pass their CVs through you first, to get your seal of approval?

Only the ones that are pro apple ;)
 
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