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I think the reason people are confused by Apple retaining the headphone socket in the new MBP is because of the outright condemnation of the same socket by Apple executives when the iPhone 7 was announced.

This is what I said when the new MacBook came out. Why have one USB C on the device when you can have 2 if you eliminate the headphone jack? That would solve a myriad of issues me thinks.
 
I have owned every iPhone since 3G and waited in line every launch morning. I currently have the 6s Plus and did not upgrade. Don't get me wrong the 7/7plus are nice phones but I personally didn't see a point in upgrading. The feature list was really short this year. Think I'm going to stick with every two years now.

We need something ground breaking again. OLED eggless screen, wireless charging, ablility to customize the iOS more are just a few things I hope for the next iPhone/iOS.
 
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I used all the iPhones since "3" all the way up to 5S. When 6 came out with the hideous white bands and camera bump on the corner (unstable on table) I just could not justify paying that much money since iOS did not have any significant updates either. 16Gb model with barely free space and big price tag.
I understand how you felt about the 6.

On the day of the iPhone 6 event, I was excited to see the new iPhone. I jumped on my 5s to look it up and when I first saw the iPhone 6, I honestly thought I was looking at some Android phone. I did a second search to make sure that this was Apple's new phone. I was very disappointed.

Up until that point, I owned the original, 4s, and 5s, and the 6 did not look as unique and special as the iPhones before it. I eventually ended up purchasing a 6s Plus, but I don't like it very much. I thought about downgrading my phone to the SE, but that only comes in the 64GB max storage.

BTW, my favorite iPhone design so far is the 4s.
 
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Samsung is rumoured to also be removing the headphone jack after mocking Apple publicly about it, once again Apple is ahead of the curve in things that matter the most and being innovative. In 2 years people will wonder how it took Apple so long to remove the headphone jack - just watch.

I think if Samsung do remove the headphone jack is shows that Apple was right: Space is at a premium. Samsung can breath a sigh of relief because Apple have taken the heat for headphone jack removal, and now they can, too, and use the space for other tech they want to include.

It's worth noting that most "controversial" decisions that Apple makes are not new to Apple products, but have been decided elsewhere in the ecosystem and clearly work.

There was no headphone jack on the Apple Watch - and no one who used their Watch to listen to music said "damn it's annoying not to have wired headphones". Your phone is far more likely to be farther away than your wrist - on your nightstand charging or in your back pocket, etc.
 
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Another fluff article from an "analyst."
I doubt people that bought a Samsung Note 7 to begin with would jump to iPhone right away. It's easier to just exchange it for the S7 Edge.
 
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I'm glad Apple is waiting and taking their time with the redesign. Remember - Apple is ever first, but always the best.

People get upset over a headphone jack, but not over an exploding phone. And yet people question the values of Apple and not Samsung.

I would argue the dual camera / telescopic zoom is a major feature as the jump in camera quality between the 6s is quite large.
Apple removed the headphone jack on purpose. Samsung did not create a hazardous phone on purpose. That's a big distinction, and why many people are willing to cut Samung some slack. Everyone makes mistakes, even big ones.
 
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I agree with this thought. I can't see anything compelling that would make my mobile device life, easier, more efficient, better etc from the competition. In fact I would lose out more than I would gain.

THIS.... Is the main reason I won't switch to Android, even though I think their phones are better. I find Android to be too much of a "wild wild west" when it comes to App stability - even though I haven't downloaded a new App in 2 years (and I have 300). I'm too locked into Apples newly crappy Eco-System to switch at this point - even though I desparately want to since iTunes Match destroyed my music library and then after spending MONTHS rebuilding it, Apple Music destroyed it again. I still have hundreds of tracks completely miss-tagged and Apple's BS DRM added BACK, even though I paid the premium a few years ago to get that crap removed. Don't even get me started on some stuff just GONE (like the custom playlists they used to sale and this iTunes Exclusive JKR HP Audio Book set I purchased 4 years ago) from my iTunes library.
 
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I have owned every iPhone since 3G and waited in line every launch morning. I currently have the 6s Plus and did not upgrade. Don't get me wrong the 7/7plus are nice phones but I personally didn't see a point in upgrading. The feature list was really short this year. Think I'm going to stick with every two years now.

We need something ground breaking again. OLED eggless screen, wireless charging, ablility to customize the iOS more are just a few things I hope for the next iPhone/iOS.
You have a 6s. There was no need to upgrade. I don't know why people think they need to upgrade their phones every year. For iPhone 7 users the upgrade may be similar next year.
 
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While my iPhone 7 isn't bad, the iPhone has grown very stale for me. I'm following Galaxy S8 rumors now as I think that phone will be awesome. I know what will happen, I'll get the S8 and Apple will finally update the iPhone with something great.

On the other hand, it seems iOS has become extremely flaky/buggy. Oh well...
 
Apple removed the headphone jack on purpose. Samsung did not create a hazardous phone on purpose. That's a big distinction, and why many people are willing to cut Samung some slack. Everyone makes mistakes, even big ones.
Really? Cutting quality control on purpose deserves some slack...

Apple wanting a truly wireless future and planned for it vs Samsung who is trying to make a quick buck cut corners and put people's lives in danger.
 
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Second verse same as the first. The media has been reporting Apple's demise for over a decade.

As for iPhones, yea, some people don't upgrade, because the iPhone is a premium product. It lasts a long time depending on the abuse the user gives it. Its not some cheap plastic phone. Same as their notebook line. You don't need to upgrade every 2-3 years because its a high quality product.
 
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I think if Samsung do remove the headphone jack is shows that Apple was right: Space is at a premium. Samsung can breath a sigh of relief because Apple have taken the heat for headphone jack removal, and now they can, too, and use the space for other tech they want to include.

When Samsung removes the headphone jack, they'll leverage USB3C for the "digital" connection. The hardware fragmentation problem kicked off by Apple will persist for many, many years. For what actual gain for us consumers? "thinner"? One can't argue "lighter" because we have to carry dongles to be as ready to use one set of headphones with what will be 3 types of connections.

There was no headphone jack on the Apple Watch - and no one who used their Watch to listen to music said "damn it's annoying not to have wired headphones". Your phone is far more likely to be farther away than your wrist - on your nightstand charging or in your back pocket, etc.

To use the Watch, you pretty much need the phone in close proximity. One doesn't need a duplication of a headphone jack if they have the jack in their pocket.

Edit: to this second point, people have since seemed to take that narrowly & literally, making points about the proximity being more flexible than they've read into my post. I posted that point to the general concept of watch dependency on phone and thus phone having the jack. I was not saying it's impossible to listen to music via the watch or that every possible music-listening scenario required the phone to be in a person's pocket. Sorry for any confusion.
 
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I think the reason people are confused by Apple retaining the headphone socket in the new MBP is because of the outright condemnation of the same socket by Apple executives when the iPhone 7 was announced.
I agree, I was shocked when they had that guy come out in the headphone jack costume and just started pummeling him. A few of the jabs from Cook were good, but when he started kicking the poor guy while he was on the ground....

Condemnation, really? Might want to tone down the hyperbole a bit....
 
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Why not just buy a camera?

I own 2 semi-pro cameras (Nikon DS 5100 and Panasonic Lumix G7) and frequently I find myself just using my iPhone for any number of reasons - ease of use being primary, a lot of times I'm in places where I can't use the "pro gear," and at the end of the day I have "pro stuff," but I'm not a "pro shooter." If I can do convention coverage on an iPhone instead of lugging around heavy gear all day I'll do that. People have different reasons for wanting different things and in this day and age, there's NO REASON Apple couldn't put better cameras into their phones.
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But the iPhone 6 doesn't have Waterproofing, Dual camera, 3D Touch, Stereo speakers, Taptic feedback etc. So this point is moot.

Fair enough but you said it was removed to make the phone thinner. Which clearly wasn't the case.
 
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When Samsung removes the headphone jack, they'll leverage USB3C for the "digital" connection. The hardware fragmentation problem kicked off by Apple will persist for many, many years. For what actual gain for us consumers? "thinner"? One can't argue "lighter" because we have to carry dongles to be as ready to use one set of headphones with what will be 3 types of connections.



To use the Watch, you pretty much need the phone in close proximity. One doesn't need a duplication of a headphone jack if they have the jack in their pocket.
That isn't true...and once the watch gets the W chip omg... the watch works without the phone. You just wont be some things.
 
My wife and I will probably upgrade to the 7 in February due to my discount ending with att and us starting a new svc with t-mobile. It should be a big upgrade over our old 5s phones.

We originally wanted to wait for the 8, but att is forcing us to change earlier then expected.
 
When Samsung removes the headphone jack, they'll leverage USB3C for the "digital" connection. The hardware fragmentation problem kicked off by Apple will persist for many, many years. For what actual gain for us consumers?
Kicked off by Apple?

Do you pay attention to the tech world at all? Intel has been pushing since last year at industry events for USB C to be the new audio standard, at their own developer conference:

https://www.engadget.com/2016/04/27/intel-usb-c-digital-audio/
http://www.theverge.com/2016/8/17/12519936/intel-usb-type-c-headphone-jack-replacement-idf-2016

MacRumors even covered it, well before the iPhone 7 was released:
https://www.macrumors.com/2016/04/28/intel-replace-headphone-jack-usb-c-audio/ <whoa, MONTHS before Apple Intel was already pushing for this.
 
I too may leave the iPhone if apple doesn't innovate next year.

Who is with me?

I might be with you.

My next phone brand may depend on the future of Apple's Mac desktop instead of the new iPhone itself. If Apple kills their desktop, either literally, or figuratively (by making goofy changes), then I will most likely switch to another phone brand.

2017 will be an interesting year indeed.
 
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