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Guys, relax... at least I know I should be thankful they do not plan to also remove mic and mic mesh in addition to the removal of headphone slot so that we can have two speaker slots on both sides.
 
Not denying any of that. Just that the "lost functionality" isn't as big a deal as some make it out to be. The one thing lost IMO is being able to simultaneously charge and listen to wired headphones. But wireless headphones is where the market is going anyway. An audiophile? Buy the $20 adapter to use your $800 headphones.



Pretty sure the market has spoken that thicker phones don't sell.

Really? Wow, you best tell Samsung then because the sales hit current Galaxy is thicker then an iPhone 6S!!
 
It seems to me that you just glossed over the most important part of your statement. Wireless account for only 17% of sales. I'm drawn to traditional wired earbuds/pods for two reasons. First, they are lighter, and thus simply more comfortable for me. Secondly, there's never a concern about needing them when I've forgotten to recharge them.

Regarding your statistic of wireless sales overtaking wired, that's explained simply by the fact that quality wireless headphones can run 7-10 times what earpods do. I use my headphones mostly for exercising. I don't need or want the bulk or a battery, or the expense of wireless headphones for something that I'm throwing in my backpack or sweating over while running.

Now I have a nice pair of Sennheiser Momentum's that I love when traveling or just sitting inside listening to music, but for activity, it'd much prefer my earpods. I know others that love wireless when active, too, but I think the move to take away the 3.5mm jack is a poor decision at this point. I know it definitely impacts my future purchases.
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That's simply a misnomer. The scoffing at the iPhone came from people who simply couldn't see the possibility of having a phone that could do what the iPhone does. IMO, there is a huge difference between people not having the vision to see the possibilities in the progression of innovation vs people not happy with a product that appears to be undergoing regression or a retardation in the innovative process.


I didn't gloss over the 17% statistic, I in wrote it from the article and also used the example of how the iPhone has a minority unit sale share in the overall smartphone market while retaining the lionshare of revenue.

This is the same scenario. Wireless has the minority in sales but now has the majority of revenue. In addition that revenue has increased 42% yoy.

So of course just like the iPhone, in order for a small % of a item to capture a larger percentage of revenue, wireless would have to have a higher selling price. That goes without saying and I didn't feel I had to extrapolate the economics of the situation.

Your argument falls in line with everything I said. You prefer the wired. You have some high quality headphones. Etc. I get it. But you are in the minority. The masses won't care.

Wireless prices will fall. Other manufacturers will drop the jack by next year. The space inside a phone can and will be put into better use by everyone sooner than later. Even if that use is aesthetic holes, empty cooling space, size, weight whatever.

The writing is on the wall. The industry knows it and is responding. You say you'll have to rethink choices as a result. Definitely your prerogative. But by next product cycle I am confident that choice won't be found on many, if any, major phones.
 
Apple really needs to stop cheaping out on components this year. Maybe if they do, the Galaxy won't look so much more appealing in comparison.

But I doubt it. Tim Cook and the other wall street bean counters that now control Apple won't do anything to hurt their precious margins, even if it means gimping the phone with 2011-levels of storage on a $650 supposedly 'premium' phone.
 
That's because it's probably a "cheap" (For a benz) C200 or something. And the owner decided that adding an AMG badge and muffler tip will make it a C63 and save him some money.
Kinda like if you paint the iPhone 6 rose gold and call it a 6S I guess.
THANK you. been sifting through pages of comments to see if somebody actually knew anything about cars, cringing at people bringing up the CLK as if it looks at all like one. you sir, know something.
 
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Jony new video: " We weren't satisfied until we reduced the weight of this beautiful piece of workmanship, by removing 10 small al-u-min-ium pieces. We understand our customers want a thin and light phone. We then took those 10 pieces and re-melted them into a solid ignot for re-use in more phones. The result is symmetry, on an industrial scale. When millions and millions of customers carry these phones it will reduce the carbon footprint necessary in moving from one place to another. Apple is proud of its contribution to help prevent global warming."
 
It seems to me that you just glossed over the most important part of your statement. Wireless account for only 17% of sales. I'm drawn to traditional wired earbuds/pods for two reasons. First, they are lighter, and thus simply more comfortable for me. Secondly, there's never a concern about needing them when I've forgotten to recharge them.

Regarding your statistic of wireless sales overtaking wired, that's explained simply by the fact that quality wireless headphones can run 7-10 times what earpods do. I use my headphones mostly for exercising. I don't need or want the bulk or a battery, or the expense of wireless headphones for something that I'm throwing in my backpack or sweating over while running.

Now I have a nice pair of Sennheiser Momentum's that I love when traveling or just sitting inside listening to music, but for activity, it'd much prefer my earpods. I know others that love wireless when active, too, but I think the move to take away the 3.5mm jack is a poor decision at this point. I know it definitely impacts my future purchases.
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That's simply a misnomer. The scoffing at the iPhone came from people who simply couldn't see the possibility of having a phone that could do what the iPhone does. IMO, there is a huge difference between people not having the vision to see the possibilities in the progression of innovation vs people not happy with a product that appears to be undergoing regression or a retardation in the innovative process.



Since each version is more advanced than the previous, it is innovative to suggest that the iPhone is "regressing." Did that regression include the most recent fiscal year when Apple sold a world record 75 million iPhones in just one quarter? How will the happiness meter read when Apple sells 60-70 million new iPhones by the end of the upcoming Christmas season? What will the misery index read when close to 200 million people have bought it in the upcoming year? Caution is in order when using MR posters as in any way a reflection of the real world.
 
For all those bemoaning the loss of 3.5mm jack, wireless headphones have over taken wired headphones in revenue for the first time in June. 54% to 46% of all sales dollars...a 42% year over year increase. While only 17% of unit sales, the writing is on the wall. Headphone and earpiece manufacturers are going to follow the profit, not the units...

https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/28/npd-headphones/amp/

not much unlike apple's dominance in revenue vs unit sales compared to android.

This is all occurring before the removal of the feature, my guess is the sales/revenue data has been pointing to this flip for awhile now and the tipping point has been reached...it's a wireless future and the only bottom commodity feeders will play in the wired headphone/earbud world....again not much different than the android or pc market.

I'm old enough to remember the change from albums to cd's and cassettes to cd's...arguments could be made to the sound quality or durability of the replaced tech, but the trade off of better sound quality of cassettes and better portability than albums was enough to shift all manufacture's to the CD hardware world. Only extreme audiophiles held against the change. The masses and the profit moved on.

People will cry about money, investment etc....I know I did...I owned at least 300 cassettes and 100's of albums...yet I eventually rebought a good portion of it on cd over time. People will buy wireless no matter how many $300 headphones they own eventually.

Apple isn't doing much different here, the money will be in wireless for the foreseeable future and they happen to own a headphone/earbud brand that will profit from that trend change.

Hardcore audiophiles will cry, adapt, rig, and sacrifice to keep all their "best" quality setups but the masses will move on for the freedom of having no cord...

I can sympathize and agree with many points of every argument against keeping the port...but money talks and the manufacturers know the money is in wireless now.


Using a "revenue is bigger" argument is not good news for you... I hope you realize that... Because even though adoption is not yet widespread (as represented by unit sales)... and so you'll be the only kid on the block relying on bluetooth when the rest of the world still provides AUX cable (cars, cheap running headphones).. you still get to give even more money to Apple.

This is not a scenario in which you win.
 
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I really am hoping that this isn't true. If it is then it indicates that apple are moving further and further away from Jonny Ive (he's not really there anymore, let's not kid ourselves). His whole design philosophy is to take away anything that isn't essential. Symmetry isn't essential.
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Using a "revenue is bigger" argument is not good news for you... I hope you realize that...Because that means that even though adoption is not yet widespread (as represented by unit sales)...and as such you'll be the only kid on the block relying on bluetooth when the rest of the world still provides AUX cable (cars, cheap running headphones)...and still you get to give even more money to Apple.

This is not a scenario in which you win.
I agree. I use Bluetooth for 90% time, but there is a definit 10% that occurs almost every day where I cannot use Bluetooth. Annoyingly for me, this is also the same time where I charge my phone.
 
I really am hoping that this isn't true. If it is then it indicates that apple are moving further and further away from Jonny Ive (he's not really there anymore, let's not kid ourselves). His whole design philosophy is to take away anything that isn't essential. Symmetry isn't essential.
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I agree. I use Bluetooth for 90% time, but there is a definit 10% that occurs almost every day where I cannot use Bluetooth. Annoyingly for me, this is also the same time where I charge my phone.
So use lightning port headphones or adapter. That's my plan
 
Yeah I mean the 4, 4s, 5, 5s, iPad mini, mini 2, Air, Air 2 all of them have dual "speaker grills" but only one side is a real speaker while the other one is a microphone....

Uh, my iPad Mini 2 and Air 2 have dual speakers. Since it is not a phone, there's no need for a microphone at the bottom.
 
THANK you. been sifting through pages of comments to see if somebody actually knew anything about cars, cringing at people bringing up the CLK as if it looks at all like one. you sir, know something.
I said "looked like" a CLK. Hard to tell when viewing from a phone.
The CLK uses the same exhaust setup shown in the pic. So yes, I was assuming.
 
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