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You still don't get it. Apple just admitted that they screwed up power management design on 6 and 7 models. They were trying to hide it but failed. They will pay for it eventually.

Choose to see it that way if it helps you sleep at night. But they were not trying to hide anything. They were aligning the software design with the hardware requirements as the batteries age.

Yes, they started using batteries that are too small, too thin for the longevity of today's powerful iPhones. That's where the biggest fault is, but there was nothing malicious or deceiving about their decisions.

Ultimately, the batteries just didn't live up to the needs of the users, and they are doing their best to correct for that. I commend them on that.
 
It's tragic how Apple keeps up with this charade. The fact is the iPhone 6-series has a design defect that causes the phone to shutdown under peak load when using partially-degraded batteries. This is the only reason they released the throttling logic. No other iPhone model has done this before the 6-series and none has done it after. Yet Apple can't admit this, otherwise it would require a huge and expensive recall of the 6/6s rather than the bandaid of discounted battery replacements.

And it's tragic how consumers are demanding more and more from these devices, even if they are already far more powerful than most people need. They demand that each new generation of iPhone has something new and dramatically better. Well, when Apple tries to deliver that, yet the battery tech can't keep up, then it's suddenly Apple's fault for making a terrible design decision? And Apple is "bad" for updating the software to compensate for where the hardware fails?

Just can't keep everyone happy...
 
Meanwhile, Android phones don't need to use any "performance management" at all to avoid shutting down.
But by all means, Apple, tell us why this is so "needed".
I appreciate your tongue-in-cheek comment. So many people are here just to complain so it's nice to see someone bringing humor to the thread.
 
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And it's tragic how consumers are demanding more and more from these devices, even if they are already far more powerful than most people need. They demand that each new generation of iPhone has something new and dramatically better. Well, when Apple tries to deliver that, yet the battery tech can't keep up, then it's suddenly Apple's fault for making a terrible design decision? And Apple is "bad" for updating the software to compensate for where the hardware fails?

Just can't keep everyone happy...

How is it a battery issue when batteries before the iPhone 6-series and batteries after the iPhone 6-series don't cause a shutdown issue for the phones they were designed for?
 
Seems silly that the processor in even an IP6 can process, what, billions of things a second, but more advanced hardware is needed to manage the battery.
 
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Does this mean the 7 and earlier were using a dumb cycle count to determine throttling rather than precise health?
 
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That's because this is all a cover up for faulty batteries and power management chips that were used in the 6,6s, and 7 iPhones.

Except my iPhone 5 (would shut down at 40%) and my wife's iPhone 5S (at 28%).

Edit: Oh, and my boss's iPhone 4. And my old iPhone 3GS. Not sure about the iPhone 4S, though.

Edit: Ha. I just remembered I have an iPhone 4S on my desk someone gave me to use for testing. Had the same symptoms.
 
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We get it they made a mistake so did Samsung. I don’t know why there are so many pitchfork and torches over this.

Nobody and no company is perfect either and they are trying to make it right.

Sometimes I really with an EMP would come and destroy all of these devices which force us to realize that these devices for some are using them rather than the person using the device.

Samsung? What's wrong with Samsung phones? Is someone suing Samsung? Are they throttling their phones? Nope. It's just Apple. And just 6 and 7 models. Don't give us the "all batteries die" BS.
 
Source: https://9to5mac.com/2018/02/06/how-to-ios-11-3-battery-health-and-battery-throttling-disabling/

'Apple says that it will automatically re-enable performance management each time the device unexpectedly shuts down.

This feature is not a permanent toggle that you can disable once and forget about it. If you never want to be throttled, you will have to go back into the Battery Health screen and repeatedly disable it each time.
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But wait, there's more. Apple is not done screwing us, folks.
 
Choose to see it that way if it helps you sleep at night. But they were not trying to hide anything. They were aligning the software design with the hardware requirements as the batteries age.

Yes, they started using batteries that are too small, too thin for the longevity of today's powerful iPhones. That's where the biggest fault is, but there was nothing malicious or deceiving about their decisions.

Ultimately, the batteries just didn't live up to the needs of the users, and they are doing their best to correct for that. I commend them on that.

Nope, they were trying to apply a software bandaid (and a very crude one at that - throttling CPU at all times after certain number of charging cycles) to a hardware design flaw. "batteries just didn't live up to the needs of the users". Really? Blame the batteries not Apple. That's funny.
 
Meanwhile, Android phones don't need to use any "performance management" at all to avoid shutting down.

But by all means, Apple, tell us why this is so "needed".
Just keep spewing out wrong information, mmmkay?

Android phones shut down all the time. I owned a Note that did this constantly. Guess what? It was the battery and only when Apple educated the market, did I realize that was my issue. Samsung wouldn't help me.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...crashed-and-wont-finish-booting-up/103215106/

https://thedroidguy.com/2016/04/galaxy-note-4-keeps-shutting-issues-1058814
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Nope, they were trying to apply a software bandaid (and a very crude one at that - throttling CPU at all times after certain number of charging cycles) to a hardware design flaw. "batteries just didn't live up to the needs of the users". Really? Blame the batteries not Apple. That's funny.
How many phones were impacted of the 700M sold since iPhone 6?
 
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It sounds like the newer phones can predict when a shutdown is about to occur, and then throttle accordingly - instead of permanently turning on throttling after an unexpected shutdown.

I'm not sure why throttling was enabled permanently anyway when they've used this "below 20%" figure a lot, shouldn't they have just started throttling when the battery was at 20% then?

Good point. So you dont always have the full performance from your brand new iPhone X. You get the performance you paid for only if the stars align and it happens not to use much power that moment.

But by any means, keep defending Apple guys. You know who you are.

Edit: just now realised, they are doing the iPhone 6 scam all over again with the X, right in front of our eyes. It's basically saying 'so what, stupid? you'll give us your money next year'.
 
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This feature is not a permanent toggle that you can disable once and forget about it. If you never want to be throttled, you will have to go back into the Battery Health screen and repeatedly disable it each time.'


Well thats comforting
 
Good point. So you dont always have the full performance from your brand new iPhone X. You get the performance you paid for only if the stars align and it happens not to use much power that moment.

But by any means, keep defending Apple guys. You know who you are.
I mean it's more or less the opposite - "when the stars align" seems to be when it will have degraded performance, it's not the norm.
 
Or... Apple switched suppliers, changed OEM specification or whatever, and newer cells (or possibly MOSFET switches) are less effected by high ESR problems. Conjecture, on my part based on industry knowledge and many years of work as an EE in electronics design.
 
Just keep spewing out wrong information, mmmkay?

Android phones shut down all the time. I owned a Note that did this constantly. Guess what? It was the battery and only when Apple educated the market, did I realize that was my issue. Samsung wouldn't help me.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...crashed-and-wont-finish-booting-up/103215106/

https://thedroidguy.com/2016/04/galaxy-note-4-keeps-shutting-issues-1058814
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How many phones were impacted of the 700M sold since iPhone 6?

All of them (until iPhone 8 and X). They all have the same flaw. The Plus models seemingly fared better by virtue of having larger batteries.
 
Just based on the title, HOW CAN YOU KNOW, they are only 3 months old. (Oh, they know what the flaw is and fixed it and didn't tell anyone, are hiding it, etc)

Anyway, the X, 8 & 8+ will probably not see any performance hits until next year, after the $29 replacement battery deal ENDS. My 7 still running good after 13 months.
 
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