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iPhone 8 Expected to Include Faster 10W USB-C Wall Charger

JTravers said:
I don't think that has anything to do with USB-C on a MacBook. Lightning has always been for iOS devices. The choice on the MacBook was for connecting peripherals - so they could choose USB-A, Thunderbolt, USB-C. USB-C was the obvious choice since Thunderbolt 3 was designed with the USB-C connector in mind. So 2 birds with 1 stone. iOS devices have never had Thunderbolt connections (and probably won't for quite a few years, if ever), so there's no reason to abandon Lightning outside of pleasing those not in the iOS ecosystem.

And even with wireless charging, there's still a need for the lightning connector on the iPhone and iPad.
Fast(er) charging and...
charging the Pencil, lol
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That's the thing, I see Apple ditching the port entirely on the next design change. Fast charging will be a sacrifice similar to what we saw with the headphone jack on the 7. Not everyone will be happy, but Apple will say they are being "courageous" and all will be well :D. Pretty sure wireless charging will match a "standard" connector by that time, so that will be their pie chart of acceptance at the keynote.

The reasons you coincide with my theory. The switch to USB-C had far too many positives for Apple to revert to the dying Lightning connector. Apple loves to inconvenience their customers for a few years, for the sake of their long-term goals. AKA Adobe Flash on the iPhone.
 
As a user of an iPhone 6S, MacBook and AirPods I would really like to see a standardisation of USB-C on all devices. I hate having two standards when it would make life so much simpler having one standard cable and charger for everything. I get there is so much support for Lightning in a number of devices but it would be worth it long term. Being able to carry one USB cable in my bag and car that charges all my devices would be fantastic. Right now I have a stupid mismatch of connecters. I can't even connect my iPhone to my MacBook currently. It really would be the only connector we would ever need. Especially if more monitors and eventually TV's support it.
 
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bboucher790 said:
That's the thing, I see Apple ditching the port entirely on the next design change. Fast charging will be a sacrifice similar to what we saw with the headphone jack on the 7. Not everyone will be happy, but Apple will say they are being "courageous" and all will be well :D. Pretty sure wireless charging will match a "standard" connector by that time, so that will be their pie chart of acceptance at the keynote.

The reasons you coincide with my theory. The switch to USB-C had far too many positives for Apple to revert to the dying Lightning connector. Apple loves to inconvenience their customers for a few years, for the sake of their long-term goals. AKA Adobe Flash on the iPhone.
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Completely abandoning the lightning port on the phone would be HUGELY problematic for CarPlay. 99% of cars with CarPlay are using wired CarPlay. People don't upgrade cars as frequently as phones, so ditching wired CarPlay in new iPhones would be an admission by Apple that they really didn't think things through.

I guess Apple could create a receiver to plug into USB to make wired CarPlay wireless. Apple does love dongles these days
 
Looking at some of the replies on this thread, there seems to be some confusion.

We are talking about USB-C at the charger end of the cable and naturally the charger itself.

Not a move away from lightning on the iPhone (not in the OP of this thread anyway).
 
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JTravers said:
Completely abandoning the lightning port on the phone would be HUGELY problematic for CarPlay. 99% of cars with CarPlay are using wired CarPlay. People don't upgrade cars as frequently as phones, so ditching wired CarPlay in new iPhones would be an admission by Apple that they really didn't think things through.

I guess Apple could create a receiver to plug into USB to make wired CarPlay wireless. Apple does love dongles these days
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Umm, you can just use a USB to USB-C cable in the car instead of USB to Lightning.

CarPlay works over USB. You don't need lightning for it to work.
 
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KrisLord said:
The current iPhones already support charging with a 10/12w charger so this isn’t that good. It’s no different to chucking the existing iPad charger into the iPhone box.
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It's actually worse because if you have both an iPhone and an iPad, you still can't use the same adapter if you want full charging speed on the iPad. I'd rather have a single one that charges anything.
 
aaronhead14 said:
Really hoping it'll be just USB-C on both ends of the cable and not any Lightning garbage. Proprietary connectors are unintuitive and anti-consumer.
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So if you want to connect to iTunes and your computer isn't USB-C compatible what then? A dongle?
 
JTravers said:
There was never compatibility in charging between MacBooks and iOS devices. And MacBooks have always had USB ports. They just updated the USB type, integrated Thunderbolt into it, and dropped MagSafe. Great moves all around.

There are lightning to USB-C cables available if you need to plug your iOS device into a MacBook. But I'd guess most people don't do that anymore, so it really isn't an issue. And there are far more people with iOS devices than with Macs anyway.
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yes to some of those points....but right out of the box....I cannot plug my iPhone into the new Macbooks. But if the new iphones had usb c ports instead of lightning......I could do that. Then there would be some standardization across new Apple products going forward. Right now things are fragmented and getting worse.
 
bboucher790 said:
The iPhone would still have a lightning port, not sure what problem this would solve. You would still need two different cables to charge an iPhone and a MacBook.
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Not if my new iPhone had USB C port instead of lightning. Then I could go straight to the new Macbook to USB C to USB C and charge and sync to my new Macbook.
 
killr_b said:
F R A G M E N T A T I O N

I think USB-C is a terrible design myself.
Apple got it right with the lightning connector.
USB-C has the same problem all old connectors have which is that it has to plug around that little pin piece. Lint, dirt and debris clog those types of connectors, especially in mobile devices. And they're more fragile because you can break that little piece off. Thunderbolt has this problem too.
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I've been using devices with rechargeable batteries for over a decade now and never had a single problem with a charging port getting clogged...
 
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Damn that phone looks good.

I really hope the report is wrong and Apple switches the iPhone to USB-C.
 
I’m looking forward to the charger switching to USB-C but I don’t get why so many want that on the iPhone end too.

Apple switching the charger end means they can do higher powered charging and data transfer via lightning which is good.

This has minimal impact as any existing chargers, speakers/docks etc can all work as they do today. Anyone with a MacBook will be able to connect USB-C to lightning without using a dongle. The only thing that can’t be done is charge an iPhone with a Mac cable, but that wasn’t possible with MagSafe before anyway.

Changing the iPhone itself to USB-C would not be any benefit within the Apple ecosystem. Loads of existing devices would be made redundant and we’d all need new USB-C to USB-C cables.

Any comparison to the 30 pin switch isn’t really that relevant as that brought in much more modern and compact connector. A switch to USB-C would be going to a (marginally) larger connector for no real benefit.

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned here much is USB-C is a mess. The connector is the only thing standard about it. in the future we’ll have no idea whether connecting 2 devices by USB-C will actually result in what we need, with thunderbolt devices connected to non thunderbolt PCs, people trying to charge at up to 100w with budget cables that don’t meet the requirements....
 
10W isn't fast charge but rather normal charge rate for 2012. It's 15W and higher now for fast charge.
 
vvs14 said:
They changed the original connector after 5 years. The current connector has been around for 5 years. Its about time to upgrade everything to USB-C. It will also encourage companies to start making USB-C a standard for every device so Macbook Pros can be used with more devices without dongles sooner rather than later.
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Nope.

They changed the connector after 10 years.

And pledged to keep Lightning for 10.

Nobody cares about USB-C. Seriously. The iPhone market is 0.0001% geeks that care.
[doublepost=1498689810][/doublepost]Doesn’t make any sense. Who cares about this when it is going to have a fancy new inductive charging solution? Certainly not Apple.
 
JTravers said:
Completely abandoning the lightning port on the phone would be HUGELY problematic for CarPlay. 99% of cars with CarPlay are using wired CarPlay. People don't upgrade cars as frequently as phones, so ditching wired CarPlay in new iPhones would be an admission by Apple that they really didn't think things through.

I guess Apple could create a receiver to plug into USB to make wired CarPlay wireless. Apple does love dongles these days
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Yep. There's a reason CarPlay is going wireless.
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jamezr said:
Not if my new iPhone had USB C port instead of lightning. Then I could go straight to the new Macbook to USB C to USB C and charge and sync to my new Macbook.
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Fair enough, but the image you posted that I was responding to has a Lightning connnection on the mockup. Hence the confusion.
 
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bboucher790 said:
Yep. There's a reason CarPlay is going wireless.
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Fair enough, but the image you posted that I was responding to has a Lightning connnection on the mockup. Hence the confusion.
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sorry for the confusion.....i posted the image cause i wanted the wallpaper for my 7+ :)
 
zorinlynx said:
Umm, you can just use a USB to USB-C cable in the car instead of USB to Lightning.

CarPlay works over USB. You don't need lightning for it to work.
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Umm, you didn't read closely enough to see what I was replying to ;)

The post I was replying to was talking about getting rid of a physical port and cables altogether -- going completely wireless in all respects.
 
^^BIGMac said:
So if you want to connect to iTunes and your computer isn't USB-C compatible what then? A dongle?
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Even worse, a dongle that converts a male USB-C cable to be male USB-A (but not the reverse) is technically against the spec. There's too much chance for dangerous results with such a setup.
 
I would say this is a reasonable expectation of what's to come. What I don't like is that Apple just overhauled the iPad. It seems to be the iPad announcements should coincide with iPhone, or occur after, so that the new stuff they put in iPhone can be done with iPad at the same time. It seems that people that buy the new iPad are always left wanting the new features that come in iPhone just a few months later.
 
jamezr said:
yes to some of those points....but right out of the box....I cannot plug my iPhone into the new Macbooks. But if the new iphones had usb c ports instead of lightning......I could do that. Then there would be some standardization across new Apple products going forward. Right now things are fragmented and getting worse.
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I agree. I think the only thing holding Apple back is that computers with USB-A are still far more prevalent. And it is within the USB-C spec for a dongle to convert a male A cable into a male C connection but not the reverse.
 
manu chao said:
However, most iPhone buyers in the first two years or so had been using iPods before they got their first iPhone, meaning they got more than 5 years out of their 30-pin cables.
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Well whatever, I'm saying where the 5 years came from, you can try to increase that number if you want, but it's not relevant to the discussion.
 
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