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Yea, this isn't true. You are going to step up and buy a new iPhone even if the price increases. And it doesn't matter how much profit Apple makes, only whether the phone is good value. You can get crappy phones sold with such low margins the phone manufacturer makes almost nothing on them, but you'd rather get the best phone with the best software.

When phone service is $500 a year, balking over paying a few bucks extra for a phone you will use for two years is silly.

It isn't true? So you know what I will do in the future? Amazing, considering you know literally nothing about me.
 
I have always wondered why big companies wouldn't invest in such technology. My belief is that all the viable future battery tech is patented and it wont be cheap to purchase the license.
Also "long-term" safety is another issue...

Im sure there are many other holding factors that are preventing new tech to emerge.

What makes you think Apple isn't investing / investigating new battery technology? Since so much of their business is battery operated devices, I'd find it extremely unlikely that they aren't. It doesn't mean it's ready for mass adoption yet (and there isn't anyplace they should be more conservative than with batteries).

Besides, any improvements they make now with space would translate into whatever new battery tech arrives.
 
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If they are planning to make the OLED display always on like the Samsung phones, then the battery would last for a similar amount of time despite being larger.
 
They should focus on emerging battery technologies and rather than trying to fit as much battery as possible into the design.

That "3-5 years" period will remain the same if a large company like Apple don't invest in some of the new battery technologies.

I guarantee they're focusing on it, along with lots of other companies. A battery breakthrough would be huge for any company that figures it out. From tiny devices to electric cars.

The problem is that at the moment, most all the micro-optimizations have been engineered into current rechargeable batteries. We need fundamental breakthroughs in chemistry and physics to get to the next level and those don't just happen overnight.
 
Nah your payment will go from ~$45 per month for your device to `$55 per month..that's two Chai lattes.
Apple users are used to paying monthly for Cars, Houses and iPhones just another bill.

:rolleyes:

I am sure for some it doesn't matter, for the rest of us it does matter. Some people might be okay with an ever increasing price, good for them, many of us have what is called a "budget" and even pushing $1 a month over that budget isn't acceptable.
 
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Are you kidding? If they raise the price too high people will stop buying it. Innovation can't overrule price all the time.
People won't "stop buying it." Carriers will just invent s better mouse trap and make people think it costs $199. Meanwhile those customers will pay the full price over time and not realize it.
 
:rolleyes:

I am sure for some it doesn't matter, for the rest of us it does matter. Some people might be okay with an ever increasing price, good for them, many of us have what is called a "budget" and even pushing $1 a month over that budget isn't acceptable.

I have faith in your post that some can do math and not just eat up what apl says. Most I spent on a phone was $298 personally for better metrics than the iPhone.

Subsides proved many do not know math, same with these new "phone a year" (rent a phone for life) plans
 
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They should focus on emerging battery technologies and rather than trying to fit as much battery as possible into the design.

That "3-5 years" period will remain the same if a large company like Apple don't invest in some of the new battery technologies.
It's because Apple is a large company will invest a larger amount of their resources to discover a better battery, that's not gonna happen. I'm sure there are some researchers that do that job to improve battery technology. Some companies maybe smaller than Apple but they invest 100% of their resources in discovering to improve the battery technology. As much as I love Apple, I don't want them to keep such discovery to themselves. I like a battery to be improve in a way that will be open to all kinds of technology available.
 
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Greater energy density for the battery? Great! Just as long as it doesn't spontaneously burst into flames or explode. *cough*
 
It's because Apple is a large company will invest a larger amount of their resources to discover a better battery, that's not gonna happen. I'm sure there are some researchers that do that job to improve battery technology. Some companies maybe smaller than Apple but they invest 100% of their resources in discovering to improve the battery technology. As much as I love Apple, I don't want them to keep such discovery to themselves. I like a battery to be improve in a way that will be open to all kinds of technology available.

"Apple has always stood for innovation. To protect our inventions, we have patented many of the new technologies in these groundbreaking and category-defining products. In the rare cases when we take legal action over a patent dispute, it’s only as a last resort.

We think companies should dream up their own products rather than willfully copying ours, and in August a jury in California reached the same conclusion."

-Steve Jobs
 
I have faith in your post that some can do math and not just eat up what apl says. Most I spent on a phone was $298 personally.

I like my iPhone but the price is already at the limit for me. I'll be keeping it at least another year or two and then I'll see what the landscape looks like.
 
I guarantee they're focusing on it, along with lots of other companies. A battery breakthrough would be huge for any company that figures it out. From tiny devices to electric cars.

The problem is that at the moment, most all the micro-optimizations have been engineered into current rechargeable batteries. We need fundamental breakthroughs in chemistry and physics to get to the next level and those don't just happen overnight.
There have already been a significant number of breakthroughs in battery technologies in recent years. Here are some from the past few MONTHS:
August:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/08/18/battery-breakthrough-could-double-your-phones-life/
November: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ugh-will-let-phones-charge-seconds-last-week/ (admittedly this won't be ready for a while)
January:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcoch...ut-lithium-ions-explosive-risks/#37d3456c5ae3
3 days ago: http://www.treehugger.com/clean-tec...-be-low-cost-home-solar-storage-solution.html
Today: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4219518/New-battery-store-charge-TEN-years.html
 
They are predicting that there will be no bezels at the top or bottom, and not physical buttons.
There must be some bezel at the top for speaker and frontcamera. The tech for integrating cameras and speakers in-screen could be evolved already, but not to the point where you can equip 150 million or more iphones with it.
 
There will be 2 iPhones this year not 3, the 4.7 will become 5 inch and the 5.5 will become 5.8 inch with the oled screens and same dimensions as the current iPhones, this new way of fitting bigger capacity batteries, if true, is a big welcome along with more efficient oled screen, 10nm chip tech, graphics chip, Bluetooth etc, should be a big improvement to both phones
 
Are you implying that for a majority of iPhone users the battery only last until the afternoon? Or are you implying that because for your usage pattern, the battery only last until the afternoon, iPhones should be 50% thicker because you simply do not care if that would mean the majority of iPhone users would literally have to carry around dead weight?

I'm not implying anything, I'm just starting that hopefully I'll be able to make it past 2PM on a single charge. I've personally never met anyone with a 4.7in iPhone whether 6, 6S, or 7 who uses their phones, that made it through an entire day from 8AM to 11PM on a single charge. Mine is typically on ~20% by 2PM. Yes, I believe iPhones should be thicker with a larger battery and I believe most people would be happy with that.
 
They should focus on emerging battery technologies and rather than trying to fit as much battery as possible into the design.

That "3-5 years" period will remain the same if a large company like Apple don't invest in some of the new battery technologies.
There is no pleasing some people. Any ideas on how?
 
If you don't believe that, then that's fine. And also that's not true with a lot of what Apple does because they would want to preserve new technologies for future models. I am not saying that we should see it this year, or even next year, but I think that it has great potential and the number of better battery alternatives is increasing every year.

Since you know how Apple works, you also know they won't include half baked technologies, just to be the first in anything.

When the time comes and the cost to benefit ratio is right for them, they'll include whatever makes THEIR product work the way they want it to work.

Until then, I consider statements to just knock Apple without knowing any facts just negative. I will agree that neither one of us know whether they put a priority on developing battery alternatives.
 
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