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iPhone App Sideloading Coming to Users in the EU in First Half of 2024
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The existence of patents and copyright are a massive game changer compared to a completely unregulated corporate anarchy. And they favour the big players. Do you agree so far?
I think you did not understand the argument. Copyright and patents give special rights to corporations they would not naturally have, to the disadvantage of consumers. If you advocate for no government intervention, you would have to be against copyright, trademarks and patents as well.
Last time I jailbroke a device was the 3g and 4. Since then I've had the 4S, 5, 6, 6S, 8 Plus, 12 Mini and 13 Pro. I have never tried jailbreaking any of the others, even though many had the option. The biggest thing for me is having my phone set up the way i like it and not wanting anything to change; that and I don't play video games, on my phone or otherwise.
I'm speaking for myself. I don't know what others do.
Hah! I can see why you feel so strongly about the thing you never use.
I'm of the strong opinion that corporations should bend to the will of the people AND the government.
People > Government > Corporations.
Simply repeating something doesn't make it true, even if you repeat it a million times. I want to continue using a mobile ecosystem that prevents installation outside of a single point of entry. That has been removed.
As has been confirmed multiple times in this thread, there is no requirement that all apps must be sold on the Apple store in addition to others, so even if you take the "just because there's a door it doesn't mean someone will come in" view, the system is still degraded for those who wish to stay in the Apple ecosystem.
Well actually, by the same logic all of those “Use Android if you want open” parrots, EU is not forcing Apple to do anything.
EU is just setting game rules for EU. Apple can choose other markets. No one is forcing Apple to comply and sell in EU.
And yes, sometimes forcing changes and abolishing patents should be done, for example with overpriced life saving medication. But again, US does health differently.
Repeating a lie a million times doesn't make it right. The idea that nothing is removed only lasts until the first app leaves the App Store.
Which is my point. You used to pirate apps a decade ago. I'm not sure why you keep raising that experience as relevant now.
No... if Copyright laws are applied as written they actually protect the smaller companies. I'm not quite following you---how does being protected (by law) give the government the right to simply control how you market your copyrighted product?
When Edison copyrighted motion pictures he could sue those that infringed on the theft of his copyrighted material---but once again, government did NOT dictate how he can market his material. My point simply is---are you for government dictating how a company markets their product?
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That is correct. More freedom means more responsibility. C’est la vie, as they say in France.
Well, fact that it’s true, and proven by decades of Android existing with that option, makes it true. So whatever on that.
Second part. If a developer thinks he can make more money for his product elsewhere, you saying he shouldon’t have that opportunity? He should be FORCED into one and only one option? Where is that freedom you demand for Apple? If nothing else, someone leaving AppStore will prove this a right and just move. However, except Fortnite it will not happen, and imagine what, Fortnite was kicked (I hate them but whatever, you people can’t keep your arguments straight so there) so it will only actually be returning to platform, not leaving it.
And yet you're supporting a law that has the government bending to the will of corporate lobbying. Again, there is no significant consumer support for third-party stores. This regulation will lead to more anti-consumer strategies like variable pricing, privacy issues, discount codes, and straight up scams. Apple isn't perfect, but they certainly have some significant pro-consumer policies.
For potentially similar reasons, and there can be several, other companies or products have their own "grouping of customers."
Yeah, after they've been in the EU for decades. You fail to see the more government controls any business the more you pay and the less choices you have. The reason the USA has overpriced medication is EXACTLY because of government corruption (limiting choice) and using billions of taxpayer money to keep out competition while giving money to corporations.
Go ahead, continue to give government more control over businesses, you'll end up with a bag phone.
The point I'm trying to make is that the government is generally massively involved in the economy through truckloads of laws and rules. These laws and rules create a playing field that is highly artificial. I believe it is short-sighted to decry any single rule as "evil government intervention" while not looking at the whole picture.
So why is our mobile networks cheaper and better? Why is our food better? Our airlines are cheap and competitive with good passengers rights? Why is Facebook crying that EU is restricting their ability to use and abuse private information about people?
Why do we have that even tho our markets are some times equally regulated and sometimes even more heavily regulated? Why is the outcome so different?
Why are regulations done by EU apparently magically better than US regulations? Is it magic?
That’s the magic of political accountability and representation, we debate and argue what we want to have. Sometimes you get what you want and sometimes you don’t
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You're both wrong---corporatism is what the world has become. Government and corporations working hand in hand....because of forcing their hands then compromising. We the people, always get screwed when this happens. IE--happening in the USA now more than ever.
What I highlighted I agree with---but remember, no Apple no little guy writing apps for us.
I was responding to the example of overpriced medication in the previous post...but let's get back on point. Do you believe more government control creates a better, more open market for me and you?
BTW, don't get me wrong, we need limited government oversight and regulations but, at least here in the USA, it has gotten bad it's strangling businesses.
Maybe it's because some governments are corrupt, and some less so.
I can tell you from first hand experience that EU regulation of telecoms and energy has lowered the cost of these services significantly over the decades. Why? Because they mandated competition between suppliers.
“Trusted sources” ha. You gonna have a special lock-looking badge to let teens know the app/source they want is “trusted”?
Yes, when the government control doesn't just take the interests of big corporations and big money into account. By that metric America is worse off than Europe, sure.
